Comments on: First Pitch: Today’s Cuts Bring Up the Hanrahan Trade Again Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Fri, 14 Nov 2014 05:48:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: AJ21PSU Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:02:38 +0000 ” Ideally the Pirates would just be a reliever academy, constantly dealing away established relievers, replacing them with talented young alternatives, and keeping the farm system stocked in the process.”

You could argue that the Pirates have been doing this for the past several years. Look at the relievers they’ve picked up and then flipped for prospects: John Grabow, Javier Lopez, D.J. Carrasco, Octavio Dotel, Damaso Marte, Joel Hanrahan. You can argue about the return they’ve gotten for them, but the fact is they’re using their resources well.

By: clemente21 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:09:50 +0000 I concur. I think many people overvalued Hanrahan in this winter’s market. His statistical regression (granted it was not huge) last year is concerning & when you also consider his salary and walk-year status, his return just wasn’t going to be the “gold package”. A big market team may have opted to keep him and hope he has a great year – if so you offer arb & get him back for another year (albeit at a high salary) or take the comp pick if he signs elsewhere. The Bucs don’t & probably never will have that option (barring a MLB salary cap). The time to have traded him was the winter before as I think Tim has mentioned. Getting MM with 4 years of control plus freeing up the $$ to sign Karstens & Liriano seems like a reasonable return to me.

By: Todd Smith Thu, 14 Mar 2013 15:47:37 +0000 I think Sands is seen more as the eventual replacement for GFJ. If Sands tears it up the first couple of months at AAA this year, then I think Jones can become expendable at the trade deadline this year. He’s getting to be a bit too expensive for a platoon player at this point anyway. Sands seems to be the same type of platoon player so far as Jones. Although it’s a very small sample size across his 70 MLB games, he currently has a .204 AVG and .589 OPS against RHP and a .316 AVG and .904 OPS against LHP.

I would have liked to see Sands get a few more at bats this spring at the major league level, but it makes sense to start him at AAA this year. He won’t get a lot of playing time behind Jones and Sanchez and Snider. That doesn’t mean he’s doomed to be a 4A player for the rest of his life though.

By: Lee Young Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:19:15 +0000 Personally, I liked the trade.



By: whiteAngus Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:03:04 +0000 when NH traded for Hanrahan, giving up our best leadoff hitter of all time in the process, the fans went batshit insane. trade for a former starter with a 7+era as a reliever?!?!?! sacre bleu!!!

By: emjayinTN Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:58:09 +0000 I think Tim summarized the point of the trade very well. I watched a guy with a lot of Saves over the first 1.5 years as our Closer have extreme difficulty in the latter part of 2012 getting a breaking ball across for a strike. Not bad if you are still throwing 97mph, but Hanny was struggling to throw 94/95 and without a breaking ball to keep the opposition batters offstride, he became BP. I hope this trade helps Joel Hanrahan, the same way it helped Matt Capps to find out he left a lot to be desired. Sometimes a change of scenery and a challenge work that way. Pimental may never be worth anything, but Melancon is a quality reliever, Sands still has an option, and DeJesus has done very well in ST. If he has an option remaining he may be assigned to AAA also to get daily reps at SS, and at bat. I think he has the talent to replace Clint Barmes later this year, and continue on into 2014 as our starting SS. I favor him getting reps at AAA, but if the utility infielder role is between he and Harrison, I favor DeJesus and he can get his extra reps as a part of the 25 man roster.

By: leadoff Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:56:05 +0000 Melencon looked good to me when I saw him, he is not unhittable or overpowering and probably will have his bad days, but Hanrahan had his also, but most will forget about those days especially if Hanrahan is having a good season.

By: reddfoxx39 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:37:54 +0000 Thank you Tim.
The trade really brought (in terms of money out)

I have a feeling fans won’t be so miffed around the all star break about moving Hanrahan.

By: Tim Williams Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:37:13 +0000 I guess it depends on what your definition is of “top reliever”. I have a feeling you’re thinking one of the very top, like 4-5 players.

You’re saying that there were 14 NL relievers better in all of those categories. Let’s say you have a draft of relievers, and you’re drafting based on those combined numbers. With 16 NL teams, you’re saying that Melancon would go 15th in the first round. To me, that’s a top reliever.

By: beatembuccos21 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:43:36 +0000 If I did 50 innings then he falls down the list in all of those categories individually.

Among 73 players (an average of 4.5 per NL team) who were primarily relievers (80% or more appearances in relief, 50 IP or more total), taking all those stats together, there were 14 NL relievers in 2011 with a better ERA+, a lower WHIP, more K/9 and a better K/BB than Melancon. So, sure, he’s in the top 20%. But that doesn’t qualify him as a top reliever IMHO. That qualifies him as having a good year.