Comments on: Pirates Projected Among NL’s Top Four Benches http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/pirates-projected-among-nls-top-four-benches.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Wed, 12 Nov 2014 08:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0 By: James Santelli http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/pirates-projected-among-nls-top-four-benches.html#comment-25429 Thu, 21 Mar 2013 05:08:18 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=48250#comment-25429 Thanks, Kevin. And good question. My guess at this point is that Brandon Inge will not make the team, and John McDonald will. They are both good defensive infielders, but McDonald can play up the middle.

McDonald is not as good a hitter as Inge, but that swap does not adversely affect the Pirates too much in my formula. The Pirates stay in 4th in PECOTA using TAv, and they drop from 3rd to 4th in ZiPS using OPS+ (Not surprising, considering the Reds and Pirates were so close in the results).

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By: Kevin Anstrom http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/pirates-projected-among-nls-top-four-benches.html#comment-25425 Thu, 21 Mar 2013 02:14:56 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=48250#comment-25425 Great article James.

How does the signing of McDonald change things?

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By: bohringer9 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/pirates-projected-among-nls-top-four-benches.html#comment-25405 Wed, 20 Mar 2013 03:31:21 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=48250#comment-25405 I do like the jones/sanchez for sure, but if you consider Sanchez as out “9th starter” then it’s very hard to work him into the lineup for a number of possible injuries. This strategy basically needs you to have two catchers/shortstops I suppose, and is easier in the American League, where you can keep the C/DH, or if you have a ryan doumit or ben zobrist. I also hope we platoon snider and tabata. I liked the Inge signing, but I don’t think I’d use him in a platoon with Pedro. He should be useful off the bench, but you don’t really know about pinch hitting. I don’t think he’s all that versatile at this point of his career, and I don’t think his defense is good anywhere, but that said, I still like the bench better than last year.

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By: AJ21PSU http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/pirates-projected-among-nls-top-four-benches.html#comment-25403 Wed, 20 Mar 2013 02:59:46 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=48250#comment-25403 Trading for Gaby Sanchez was to improve the bench. Forming a platoon with Garrett Jones gives you a strong righty/lefty off the bench every game. Brandon Inge was also brought in to help out with the bench making it more versatile and giving it a veteran presence if he can make the team.

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By: bohringer9 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/pirates-projected-among-nls-top-four-benches.html#comment-25400 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 22:49:06 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=48250#comment-25400 I’ve seen some research that suggests building a versatile roster, with basically 9 “starters” (10 in the AL), where the 9th player can be inserted into the lineup regardless of which player is injured, is very effective. The theory is that the average team will miss a whole season’s worth of games from starters, so having one additional starting quality player is not overkill, but optimal. The Rays really have had those kinds of rosters recently. I don’t think the Pirates have that kind of roster.
Also I’ve heard an A’s front office official talk about “building from the bottom”. That it’s much cheaper to pay for small upgrades to your 25th man then your 1st, and that strategy allows even small-market teams to upgrade 5+ roster spots. I think that while the Pirates’ bench will be improved, they really haven’t embraced this philosophy either. I think it would have been a good move for Huntington to move in a new direction with the generally poor performance from the bench in recent years.

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By: Kevin_Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/pirates-projected-among-nls-top-four-benches.html#comment-25398 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:35:18 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=48250#comment-25398 False…Tabata is a lock.

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/pirates-projected-among-nls-top-four-benches.html#comment-25396 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:39:39 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=48250#comment-25396 Disagreeing or agreeing with Smizik would not be to the point.
Smizik is saying the bench will be weak, the author is saying where they rank compared to other teams. I don’t think the bench will be weak when they start the season this year, because it has been addressed over the winter and is still being addressed. The ranking does not mean much except to say that the bench will not be weak this year.

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By: James Santelli http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/pirates-projected-among-nls-top-four-benches.html#comment-25395 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:31:55 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=48250#comment-25395 I did link to that Smizik post in my third paragraph, so I took a look at it.

And you’re right, Lee, that pinch hitting is a different skill from regular hitting. A hitter needs to change his mindset when he’s coming up “cold” in the 7th inning. That said, being a solid hitter to begin with is a good place to start, and all of the Pirates’ bench guys can carry a bat decently.

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/pirates-projected-among-nls-top-four-benches.html#comment-25390 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:07:30 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=48250#comment-25390 I agree with Smizik

There is NO WAY these guys finish that high. Just because you have ‘viable’ players on the bench, doesn’t mean they’ll be good at pinch hitting.

I’m usually optimistic, but this article’s conclusion (and I am NOT denigrating James’ writing) has very little chance of happening in real life.

JMHO

PH Foo

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/pirates-projected-among-nls-top-four-benches.html#comment-25389 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:47:20 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=48250#comment-25389 IMO, they are not worried about losing Tabata if they cut him, his salary in a couple of years would be more than they would want to pay a backup. Don’t forget they have a couple of outfielders named Bell, Barnes and Polanco coming and Tabata’s chances of ever being a first stringer on this team are pretty slim.

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