Comments on: First Pitch: Can the Pirates Get Impact Talent to the Upper Levels? http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-can-the-pirates-get-impact-talent-to-the-upper-levels.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sat, 26 Jul 2014 13:38:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: NastyNate82 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-can-the-pirates-get-impact-talent-to-the-upper-levels.html#comment-25941 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:35:46 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49270#comment-25941 Agreed. Its not a race to see which one gets to the majors first. Just like those who complained with the Bauer/Cole situation last year. It doesn’t matter who gets their first, it matters what they do when they get there.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-can-the-pirates-get-impact-talent-to-the-upper-levels.html#comment-25935 Wed, 03 Apr 2013 17:20:41 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49270#comment-25935 They haven’t produced a major leaguer from those drafts, although they’ve added players through trades and what was in the system before those drafts.

As for the high school lesson, that’s definitely good advice. I’m not saying the Pirates can’t progress players to the upper levels. But right now they’ve got a lot of high school/young international talent about to make that jump. It will be an important thing to watch for the future of the system.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-can-the-pirates-get-impact-talent-to-the-upper-levels.html#comment-25934 Wed, 03 Apr 2013 17:13:47 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49270#comment-25934 “he might not be flashy, but if he can add a few more HR’s and walk a little bit more”

That is why he’s ranked low for us. His value is on his offense, and he’s past the point of being ranked on potential. If/when he adds a few more homers and walks more, his ranking will go up.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-can-the-pirates-get-impact-talent-to-the-upper-levels.html#comment-25933 Wed, 03 Apr 2013 17:12:04 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49270#comment-25933 I liken the Taillon vs Machado situation to the McCutchen vs Bruce arguments a few years ago. Bruce arrived a year before McCutchen, and there were some complaining about him having more value because he arrived first. In the long run they both had value, and it didn’t matter that Bruce arrived a year earlier.

Really that value is meaningless at this point. It’s not like either team is going to trade Machado or Taillon. They’re both counting on the long-term value. It just so happens that Machado started earlier than Taillon. That doesn’t mean Taillon’s long-term value is lower, and that’s all that matters.

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By: jalcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-can-the-pirates-get-impact-talent-to-the-upper-levels.html#comment-25932 Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:37:52 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49270#comment-25932 Taillon does NOT have “very little value”.

Would you rather have Taillon fully developed for 7 years (his peak 22-29 year old years) in Pittsburgh or have him get hit around for 2 years, then be good for 5 years before free agency at age 27. It pays to be patient if you are a small revenue club. You don’t see the Rays rushing players.

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-can-the-pirates-get-impact-talent-to-the-upper-levels.html#comment-25931 Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:05:35 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49270#comment-25931 I used Matchado

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By: joe g. http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-can-the-pirates-get-impact-talent-to-the-upper-levels.html#comment-25930 Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:01:16 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49270#comment-25930 Not sure if that is a valid comparison, looking at a pitcher’s development versus a position player. Given the history of arm injuries prior to NH becoming GM, a patient approach with focus on proper mechanics and commanding pitches seems appropriate. If they can improve a pitcher’s efficiency, he will be more effective and there will be a reduction in the potential for injury. You still may be correct in your thought process, but it might be better to do a comparison of position players with similar backgrounds.

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By: jalcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-can-the-pirates-get-impact-talent-to-the-upper-levels.html#comment-25929 Wed, 03 Apr 2013 14:43:20 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49270#comment-25929 I think your argument is about “depth” talent, not “impact” talent. 2nd division starters, bench bats, backend SP, relievers.

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By: jalcorn http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-can-the-pirates-get-impact-talent-to-the-upper-levels.html#comment-25928 Wed, 03 Apr 2013 14:42:09 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49270#comment-25928 At the time not all of those guys were ranked as “impact” talents (3 were top 100 guys). They were previously, but Lincoln and Walker had all fallen a long way down the charts, certainly not “impact”. Tabata was on the back end of the top 100, a pretty borderline guy for the “impact” label.

Its a bit annoying to only look at our system in a vacuum. Impact talent is grade 60 or higher on a scouting scale. St. Louis has BA’s #1 system, they have 3 guys at AA/AAA that fit the “impact” label if you include in Wacha graded 55 (Taveras, Martinez). Seattle ranked 2nd and has 3 guys too (Zunino, Walker, Hultzen). Texas ranked 3rd and has 2 like us (Profar, Olt). Tampa was ranked 4th and has 2 (Myers and Archer). Miami was ranked 5th and 3 (Yelich, Marisinick, Osuna), they should have 4 with Fernandez if he were in AA instead on MLB.

I just don’t think anyone can expect to ever have more than a few “impact” talents in the high minors. When guys like that get that far without developing obvious flaws they move up quickly. Two is actually quite good and more than a few teams have 0 (Col, Mil, Oak, Phi, SD, SF, Tor) many more have 1.

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By: elgaupo http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-can-the-pirates-get-impact-talent-to-the-upper-levels.html#comment-25927 Wed, 03 Apr 2013 14:29:41 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49270#comment-25927 Tim, how many MLers has the Rays produced in the past 5 drafts (2008-2012)? Zero.

As far as their waves I’m counting 3 players in the last 3 years (Jennings, Moore and Hellickson). That’s not really “waves”. They’ve been plugging plenty of holes with crappy veteran FA’s for the last couple years.

Maybe the lesson from the Rays is to be uber patient with HS school players like Jennings and Hellickson ( both had 6 years in the minors before debut), which would answer the question you posed in the title…

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