Comments on: First Pitch: The Minors Exist For a Reason http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-the-minors-exist-for-a-reason.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Wed, 17 Sep 2014 06:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Pghfan987 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-the-minors-exist-for-a-reason.html#comment-26278 Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:03:27 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49998#comment-26278 It’s not his strike rate that is dominant. It’s his strike rate COMBINED with him missing a ton of bats. Hell, I could throw strikes, even in the Majors. But I’d be throwing batting practice.

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By: Pghfan987 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-the-minors-exist-for-a-reason.html#comment-26277 Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:02:34 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49998#comment-26277 Maybe if we had a significant sample of his ERA in Indy. But we are talking about a handful of starts. I’d much rather Cole put up lights-out peripherals than a low ERA but no be missing bats.

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By: Pghfan987 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-the-minors-exist-for-a-reason.html#comment-26276 Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:00:45 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49998#comment-26276 Apples and oranges. Strasburg wasn’t “rushed”. His injury had to do with his mechanics, not his development. Many experts saw his inverse W as an inevitable injury cause. Strasburg was dominant from his first start in the Majors.

Two of Cole’s biggest strengths as a prospect are his mechanics and his durability. He was known at UCLA to be able to throw harder as the game went into the later innings … just like Justin Verlander.

If anything, the Nats screwed up last season by not starting Strasburg’s inning count until May. He should have been available for the playoffs.

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By: Spike Crain http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-the-minors-exist-for-a-reason.html#comment-26267 Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:04:40 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49998#comment-26267 My disagreement was meant for PGHFAN987, BTW – I just screwed up the placement. D’OH!

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By: Spike Crain http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-the-minors-exist-for-a-reason.html#comment-26266 Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:51:03 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49998#comment-26266 I think JG… and EM… have something here. I applaud Pirates Management for not rushing things. Gerrit Cole is too vauable to risk. I realize that Stephen Strassberg (sp?) was not in the same category (not a College Term Draftee) but, I saw the result of pushing him up early: they got a few sensational games with big draws, then lost him for a year. I thought it was shameless.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-the-minors-exist-for-a-reason.html#comment-26265 Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:46:25 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49998#comment-26265 He’s thrown six innings. In three of those innings he has thrown 30+ pitches. Yeah, the ratios are great, but at what cost? Striking out five in two innings is a good ratio, but only going two innings in a start is not a good thing.

That was what I was focused on, the high pitch counts.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-the-minors-exist-for-a-reason.html#comment-26264 Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:44:01 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49998#comment-26264 J.J. Cooper at Baseball America talked more about Cole’s start last night and his issues with high pitch counts:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/thursday-prospect-notebook-gerrit-cole-struggles-through-two-innings/

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By: Spike Crain http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-the-minors-exist-for-a-reason.html#comment-26263 Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:42:19 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49998#comment-26263 I disagree. I’ve seen plenty of pitchers who can throw strike after strike, without achieving dominance. (A Home Run, after all, counts in that Strike Column, no less than a foul ball, or strike three.) I realize that you’re not narrowing it down to that fine a point, but I’m just stressing how incomplete a statistical view can be.

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By: Ian Rothermund http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-the-minors-exist-for-a-reason.html#comment-26262 Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:19:06 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49998#comment-26262 Focussing on peripheral stats is for players who are producing via their primary stats. For instance, if he was going 6 or 7 innings each start and only giving up a couple runs, you might be fooled into a false sense of comfort; if in the meantime he’s walking 7 per 9. You can see trends and where players might be headed. Right now I see him the same as I would a hitter starting off the season with a low average, but solid k/BB ratio and a low BABIP. You can see where Cole isn’t being dominated by the competition, as much as it is some short coming of his that he needs to improve upon.

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By: emjayinTN http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-the-minors-exist-for-a-reason.html#comment-26260 Thu, 11 Apr 2013 16:08:38 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49998#comment-26260 jg: Well stated. If he does well, possibly late June or at the AS Break and if he is inconsistent, waiting until Sep callups is not out of the picture. Either way, he is a unique talent and somebody the Pirates have not had for many, many years. The Pirates have a great opp with he and Taillon, and building toward 2014 is the thing we should be doing.

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