Comments on: First Pitch: When Should the Pirates Consider Pedro Alvarez a Platoon Player? http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-when-should-the-pirates-consider-pedro-alvarez-a-platoon-player.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Thu, 22 May 2014 17:28:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: jg941 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-when-should-the-pirates-consider-pedro-alvarez-a-platoon-player.html#comment-26204 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 21:52:38 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49775#comment-26204 Andrew, this is your overall #2, bonus baby, power-hitting corner infielder.

The fact that he’s generating anywhere near the same OPS as your typical middle infielder would be part of why he’s considered to be “awful” at this point, not an argument in support of him.

The fact that your second baseman generates more WAR in less PAs and has virtually the same OPS, wOBA and wRC+ as your power-hitting 3rd baseman is a relatively bad thing as it relates to said 3B.

Plus, Pedro is a much worse fielder……and I’m giving Pedro the biggest benefit of a doubt possible by using the 2012 numbers above.

Do you want to compare the true entire body of work for both Walker and Alvarez? Didn’t think so.

Look, he does one thing and one thing only well at this point – he runs into one every once in a while – and that one thing is NOT acceptable when offset by 180 Ks and his awful other numbers – just isn’t.

His only other plus quality in my eyes at this point is that – despite the bonus out the window – he’s cheap for what he CAN generate. Come first year of arbitration, though, he’s got no cards left in his hand.

Hurdle aint gonna platoon you, Petey, so please barrel up and try to make him and us a little happy, K?

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By: Andrew Smalley http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-when-should-the-pirates-consider-pedro-alvarez-a-platoon-player.html#comment-26193 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:42:33 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49775#comment-26193 I’m arguing that he was worth a little over 2 wins last year and Walker was worth a little more. I’m arguing that he’s 26, has huge power, and, in two seasons out of three, has been roughly 10% better than the average hitter and at a position that is seemingly getting harder and harder to fill. I’m also arguing that there isn’t any better options, Brandon Inge or a platoon isn’t the answer, and after 6 games, this discussion shouldn’t even be raised. If you then say that it’s been more than six games, I want you to then explain how he had a higher OPS and was only slightly less valuable than Walker….and why that doesn’t mean Walker is “awful”, also, in your words.

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By: piratemike http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-when-should-the-pirates-consider-pedro-alvarez-a-platoon-player.html#comment-26175 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 00:33:32 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49775#comment-26175 CONTINUE……Pirates they would have recognized that this FO is inept and would have made sweeping changes a long time ago.
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By: piratemike http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-when-should-the-pirates-consider-pedro-alvarez-a-platoon-player.html#comment-26174 Tue, 09 Apr 2013 00:21:20 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49775#comment-26174 This is a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation.
as much as I dislike this front office they have to play Pedro as long as they control him. If he goes to another team and becomes the player the Pirates thought they drafted it is an indictment of this whole organization if he fails the fans will ask why did the Pirates take so long to see this guy is a bust.
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I never said this before but it is time for this owner to understand that this front office is inept and I wonder for the first time since 2008 if Bob Nutting is sincre about winning I know what he has done in the DR and the money that NH was allowed to spend in the draft and internationally but his attitude seems to be ….I put a good FO team together and I gave them plenty of money to spend it is not my fault if the team sucks….I did my job….Well if Mr. Nutting if you are a good businessman why would you let this continue? I think I can speak for the majority of fans who if they controlled the P

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By: jg941 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-when-should-the-pirates-consider-pedro-alvarez-a-platoon-player.html#comment-26166 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 21:46:05 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49775#comment-26166 Andrew – no one who is analyzing this player thoroughly is doing so on the last 6 games – theay are looking at the entire body of work, as should you.

Despite Tim’s allowance for Pedro improving slightly in 2012, I might even disagree with that. His K% rate in his career hasn’t moved one iota – 30.8% to 30.5% to 30.7% – and his walk rate is equally stagnant – 9.6 to 9.2 to 9.7.

Every hitting stat he has is heading in the wrong direction. He does one thing – he can hit a home run, which, based on all of his other batting indicators, means that he basically runs into one every once in awhile, in a way that he he doesn’t seem to be able to repeat in any controlled way.

And he doesn’t just strike out in an “irrational” way, Andrew – he strikes out in a league-leading kinda way, in a win-killing, rally-killing, embarassing kinda way, which is exactly the opposite of the kind of home run hitter that this kinda team needs.

And, to follow up that body of work to date, he’s been truly awful in Spring Training, and truly awful-er in the first two series.

And, yeah, he’s not a good fielder (check those metrics, too, and THEIR downward trend), and he is a mediocre baserunner, at best.

IMO – if anything, Tim was trying to call Pedro out for what he has become in a more analytical and polite way. I’ll be happy to call him out for how pathetic he’s become, as a former #2 overall pick and a $6 mil bonus baby who can’t seem to put in the effort to correct his glaring, repetitive mistakes.

Andrew – what, exactly, are you railing at, and what in Pedro’s game are you defending at this point?

This is NOT a first-week-of-the-season issue.

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By: jg941 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-when-should-the-pirates-consider-pedro-alvarez-a-platoon-player.html#comment-26165 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 21:23:07 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49775#comment-26165 I know it’s crazy, but has switch-hitting Walker ever just stood in there as a LH batter against a LHP?

His split against lefties as a RH hitter begs the question as to whether he is truly a switch-hitter anymore.

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By: Mike Adamson http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-when-should-the-pirates-consider-pedro-alvarez-a-platoon-player.html#comment-26164 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:53:41 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49775#comment-26164 The Pirates need to go after STL 1B Matt Adams. He’s blocked by Craig and has a great bat. Nothing to do with Alvarez but not impressed with this lineup at all.

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By: Y2JGQ2 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-when-should-the-pirates-consider-pedro-alvarez-a-platoon-player.html#comment-26163 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:01:50 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49775#comment-26163 He ISN’T fat, unless you are watching games from 2011…..he’s actually in pretty good shape

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By: Y2JGQ2 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-when-should-the-pirates-consider-pedro-alvarez-a-platoon-player.html#comment-26162 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 19:58:26 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49775#comment-26162 Here’s the thing Tim- We have noone with more upside at 3rd than Pedro currently has. Throwing at bats away to someone like Inge who shouldn’t even be on a major league team is a joke- and we have noone better waiting in the wings who can hit, or whom has the ability to play third well on a ML level. So, i mean its fine to talk about platooning him, IF we had someone worthy of those at bats. Since we don’t, I think it’s kinda a pointless article quite honestly.

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/04/first-pitch-when-should-the-pirates-consider-pedro-alvarez-a-platoon-player.html#comment-26161 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 19:00:16 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=49775#comment-26161 IMO, Alvarez like the rest of the Pirate lineup will start hitting soon and the first couple of weeks will be forgotten. I have blogged here several time during and after ST that this team was no where near ready, but what I saw then is slowly changing and I see improvement.
It almost looks like they are not coached at times, Alvarez, when he is hitting, takes the outside pitch to left field, when he is not hitting he does not. Alvarez is also a victim of umpiring as are a lot of the Pirates, if he gets called out on a call 3rd strike that is out of the zone, he will swing at it the rest of his at bats and try to pull it if he is in a slump, and pitchers know this and will keep going further outside, the Pirate hitters will still swing.
And for some reason the people on blog sites have this ridiculous notion that everytime Alvarez does not do well he is fat, get a life, he is not fat if he was who cares? He goes to the ground at third, bounces up like a rubber ball and makes his plays, that is what he is supposed to do. He runs as well as any big man around. Stand beside him once and tell me he is fat.
The Pirates also fall under the category of we can’t hit with 2 strikes on us! This is an approach problem and this is where a coach would come in handy.
I do not like what they are trying to do with Marte, he is up to the plate to hit first and get a walk 2nd, they want him to take pitches, that gets him in a hole and then he swings at anything, he has the tools to be a leadoff hitter, but he is not, I realize that they don’t have anyone else for that job, but why ruin him? He is easily the most talented player they have.

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