Comments on: First Pitch: Like the Pirates Pitching Staff? Thank Neal Huntington. http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-like-the-pirates-pitching-staff-thank-neal-huntington.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Thu, 29 May 2014 17:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: James Santelli http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-like-the-pirates-pitching-staff-thank-neal-huntington.html#comment-27964 Sun, 26 May 2013 17:39:40 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54636#comment-27964 You’re right, Andrew, it wasn’t expected to get much. However, to get practically nothing at all from a starting MLB first baseman who could still hit late in the season counts as a loss for me, even if “swindle” may be a bridge too far.

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By: James Santelli http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-like-the-pirates-pitching-staff-thank-neal-huntington.html#comment-27963 Sun, 26 May 2013 17:38:28 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54636#comment-27963 – Good points about the Bay trade, but I think it still ultimately ends up a failure in my book. You have to evaluate trades on the basis of (A) how it looked at the time, (B) the other offers that were on the table and (C) how it looks in retrospect. How you weight those three areas is up to you, but I think the ultimate value and how many teams were likely in on Bay makes it a negative for me.
– Maybe “swindle” is too harsh for the Sanchez/Alderson trade, I’ll own up to that. But likely getting no Major League value out of a former batting champ who was still playing pretty good defense with an OPS+ over 100? That’s certainly disappointing.

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By: LWD http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-like-the-pirates-pitching-staff-thank-neal-huntington.html#comment-27957 Sun, 26 May 2013 14:38:37 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54636#comment-27957 Not sure NH was swindled in the Bay and Sanchez trades. Hansen was considered a big piece of the deal but his injury ended his career. It meant they had to trade for Hanrahan. If Hansen worked out the pieces sent to the Nationals might have been used to address something else.

As much as I loved Freddy, his value was pretty low. Great hitter but was battling injuries and was a rental player with his contract up in two months. There was a very good chance the Giants weren’t going to play him the last 50 games, lessening his value. And if I remember correctly. He did go on the disabled list after the trade. All Star. Batting Champ. But how much could they have gotten for him for approximately 40 games?

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-like-the-pirates-pitching-staff-thank-neal-huntington.html#comment-27953 Sun, 26 May 2013 12:03:07 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54636#comment-27953 As a longtime NH support, I love this article. He’s had some missteps along the way, but overall he has done well.

I loved the TB Rays comparison above. The way to turn around a team is with the pitching.

Foo

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-like-the-pirates-pitching-staff-thank-neal-huntington.html#comment-27952 Sun, 26 May 2013 12:00:38 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54636#comment-27952 every GM has those kinds of deals. James never said NH was perfect. People around here need to ‘get over it’ as far as the Bay deal goes and just enjoy what Neil has built.

Foo

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By: skliesen http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-like-the-pirates-pitching-staff-thank-neal-huntington.html#comment-27950 Sun, 26 May 2013 11:15:56 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54636#comment-27950 The proof is in the pudding. Pirates FO has provided CH a balanced team of power/speed, old/young, RH/LH, etc. The Pirates are a legitimate contender thanks to the development and execution of the plan NH and co. put in place. And just as importantly, there is every reason to believe they will be the NL version of the Rays by remaining competitive despite a bottom-tier payroll for the foreseeable future.

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By: tempman89 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-like-the-pirates-pitching-staff-thank-neal-huntington.html#comment-27947 Sun, 26 May 2013 08:44:42 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54636#comment-27947 I commend Neil for his work with the rotation and just overall pitching depth. He created that all by himself, with a very limited budget.
But for his first few years, just way to many misses on MLB evaluation acquisitions, IE: Dana eveland, Ramon Vasquez, Lyle Overbay, Matt Diaz, Awki Iwamora, ect…
And every GM has bad trades, but the Jason Bay trade was just horrible. A relief pitcher is all we have to show for an all star OF at the time.

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By: krinks35 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-like-the-pirates-pitching-staff-thank-neal-huntington.html#comment-27946 Sun, 26 May 2013 08:41:25 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54636#comment-27946 Great article giving credit where credit is due. You could go further. The lineup currently in AAA could beat the lineup that the pirates ran out there for most of the past 20 losing seasons. I recall the minor league lineups of not all that long ago and how embarrassingly thin they were of actual prospects. Now the upper levels have decent players at every position.

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By: mocasdad http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-like-the-pirates-pitching-staff-thank-neal-huntington.html#comment-27944 Sun, 26 May 2013 06:01:10 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54636#comment-27944 Agree with both the article and AS comment. Especially, tho, on NH’s acumen on accumulating arms. They haven’t all worked, but they don’t all have to.

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By: Andrew Smalley http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-like-the-pirates-pitching-staff-thank-neal-huntington.html#comment-27943 Sun, 26 May 2013 05:07:14 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54636#comment-27943 Great article, James. Only gripe: LaRoche, at the time we traded him, had very little value and wasn’t playing particularly well.

Considering his salary/performance, it was quite expected that he wouldn’t fetch much in return.

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