Comments on: First Pitch: The Pirates Should…But the Pirates Will… http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-the-pirates-should-but-the-pirates-will.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sat, 26 Jul 2014 11:51:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Dropkickmurphys http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-the-pirates-should-but-the-pirates-will.html#comment-27358 Mon, 13 May 2013 20:24:10 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=53302#comment-27358 no. it defies logic to save your best pitcher for a hypothetical situation, such as a save.

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By: steve19981 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-the-pirates-should-but-the-pirates-will.html#comment-27355 Mon, 13 May 2013 19:45:29 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=53302#comment-27355 so if nothing has changed since the 1950′s, then bullpen use is a matter of taste and preferences. my preference is for more specialized relief. yours is for less. it doesnt matter either way. kind of makes the entire conversation pointless.

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By: Dropkickmurphys http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-the-pirates-should-but-the-pirates-will.html#comment-27342 Mon, 13 May 2013 17:49:59 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=53302#comment-27342 Truth is, the numbers don’t support your conclusion. Since 1950, teams going into the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings win at the same rate as they always have. Relief pitching and especially, specialized relief pitching hasn’t changed a thing.

More talent on the field is always better. Matchups are very overrated. Especially since a pinch hitter changes the match up.

Even if I bought into the myth of matchups, Grilli since he’s been with the Pirates has been more effective against lefties than both Watson and Wilson.

Which gets us back to the only salient point, why use a lesser talent, who are very likely to kill the very save opportunity that you are waiting for.

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By: smurph http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-the-pirates-should-but-the-pirates-will.html#comment-27338 Mon, 13 May 2013 17:30:56 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=53302#comment-27338 “EVEN Russell at 3rd is a better option than Mercer, against the occasional lefty.”
You seriously believe that? Third base is a hitting position, not a defense position, so you put in a guy who absolutely cannot hit? I disagree there.

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By: Steve Zielinski http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-the-pirates-should-but-the-pirates-will.html#comment-27336 Mon, 13 May 2013 17:04:31 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=53302#comment-27336 “You can’t be talking about the Pirates….” Actually, I am talking about the Pirates. A stats driven organization would not hire Hurdle and let him do what he wanted. Nor would it bring in space wasters like Inge and McDonald.

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By: steve19981 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-the-pirates-should-but-the-pirates-will.html#comment-27335 Mon, 13 May 2013 16:57:28 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=53302#comment-27335 Not really the point. I think you have a better chance of it happening IF you are playing the matchups earlier in the game. Again, most talented pitcher isn’t always the best in a given situation. See Parnell vs Alvarez. If the roles were reversed, I’d rather see Wilson against Duda or Davis than Grilli with a tie game.

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-the-pirates-should-but-the-pirates-will.html#comment-27334 Mon, 13 May 2013 16:44:31 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=53302#comment-27334 You can’t be talking about the Pirates, aside from Oakland, they are the most geek oriented organization on the planet. As far as listening, stats are very important, no doubt, but the stats the Pirates have are far beyond what the average fan sees or finds on websites. I am sure if they wanted to they could probably reply to anyone that brought up a stat they did not listen to with a stat that counters that stat. You don’t want to go toe to toe with Huntington and gang of geeks into the stat world.
One of the big problems we all have with the Pirates is that they are not marketed very well or available for discussions, there are no TV or Radio programs that they are available for and not many media outlets know how to talk with them, they talk a different language.
They have had a lot of success with players brought in with advance metrics as the criteria.
Think about it, you can’t call into a radio station or TV Station and ask someone in Pirate management a question or get into a discussion with someone from Pirate management.

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By: Dropkickmurphys http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-the-pirates-should-but-the-pirates-will.html#comment-27333 Mon, 13 May 2013 16:34:30 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=53302#comment-27333 If they got Trout and had no place else to play him, I would play him at short before Barmes.

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By: Dropkickmurphys http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-the-pirates-should-but-the-pirates-will.html#comment-27332 Mon, 13 May 2013 16:32:29 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=53302#comment-27332 I agree with steve. NH should be telling Hurdle who to play on a regular basis. NH is the strategic operations lead for the team. Identifying regular players and starting pitches, is part of the team’s high level strategy.

Hurdle is the tactical level leader. He makes up the lineup based on the guidance given by NH. At least that’s how it should work. Hurdle is responsible for precisely where hitters hit, what the rotation is, and in game changes. If Hurdle is making decisions on who should be on the team, he is wrong, that is strategy, not tactics.

If the Pirates organizational operations are letting Hurdle make these decisions, then they are wrong. The FO decides who is on the active roster, with input from Hurdle. Input does not equate to decision making, however. I think steve has it right. Hurdle is out of his lane and the FO/owner seem to be letting him do it.

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By: Dropkickmurphys http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/first-pitch-the-pirates-should-but-the-pirates-will.html#comment-27331 Mon, 13 May 2013 16:26:26 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=53302#comment-27331 So you bring in the lesser talent, who is more likely to kill the potential save situation later? What is the point of saving the best reliever for a situation that may not happen?

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