Comments on: Gerrit Cole Links: Two Reports Have Cole As A Number Two Starter http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/gerrit-cole-links-two-reports-have-cole-as-a-number-two-starter.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sat, 17 May 2014 21:37:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: buster09 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/gerrit-cole-links-two-reports-have-cole-as-a-number-two-starter.html#comment-27864 Fri, 24 May 2013 12:10:03 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54416#comment-27864 Dan : with all due respect ( to this blog ) yours has to rate as one of the most ridiculous comments I have ever seen here. Do you realize it looks as though you have never really watched any of the players you mention,including Cole. You might have seen them play,but you sure weren’t really watching or paying attention !

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By: Scott Richards http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/gerrit-cole-links-two-reports-have-cole-as-a-number-two-starter.html#comment-27853 Fri, 24 May 2013 02:14:22 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54416#comment-27853 Brad Lincoln?

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By: Susanne Klich Langford http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/gerrit-cole-links-two-reports-have-cole-as-a-number-two-starter.html#comment-27847 Fri, 24 May 2013 00:45:26 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54416#comment-27847 I’m gonna give you the Bryce Harper answer Dan: That’s a clown statement bro. Karstens’ toughness on the mound can’t be questioned. He’s fearless out there. How can you say these guys are terrible. What basis of comparison are you using? Cole is struggling in AAA so not our best option. I have been skeptical of Cole in the past and have had Taillon ahead of him from since Cole was drafted but Cole’s stuff cannot be questioned. He is 22. Plenty of time to mature. …and if he only ends up being Brad Penny who I think of when I see him sometimes…It’s not ideal but I can live with that.- frederick langford

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By: steve19981 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/gerrit-cole-links-two-reports-have-cole-as-a-number-two-starter.html#comment-27843 Thu, 23 May 2013 23:09:24 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54416#comment-27843 I love how everyone is jumping on this like it’s gospel. Two guy’s opinion after a start the TURNED bad. He may not pan out to be a number one starter and he might have some way to go, but the planet isn’t exactly sick with 22 year old MLB ready aces. He’s not where he needs to be and it will probably take at least 3 years in the majors before he reaches his potential anyway.

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By: Steve Zielinski http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/gerrit-cole-links-two-reports-have-cole-as-a-number-two-starter.html#comment-27834 Thu, 23 May 2013 21:07:05 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54416#comment-27834 Indeed. Cole’s command problems would make him a #2 starter by definition. #1 starters are rare for just that reason — they need three plus pitches and plus command. These guys don’t grow on trees.

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/gerrit-cole-links-two-reports-have-cole-as-a-number-two-starter.html#comment-27831 Thu, 23 May 2013 19:49:44 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54416#comment-27831 I’ve never been a Cole fan, but if he ends up as the proverbial # 2 starter, I would be more than happy.

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By: Rick Peluso http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/gerrit-cole-links-two-reports-have-cole-as-a-number-two-starter.html#comment-27827 Thu, 23 May 2013 19:09:35 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54416#comment-27827 Why don’t you take the next couple plays off Dan. To call Jeff Karstens and Charlie Morton awful players you clearly haven’t watched much Pirate baseball over the last couple years. Karstens while battling some tough injuries over the past two years still managed to put up a 3.5 WAR, have a sub 4 ERA, and never had a problem taking the ball against an ace so I have no idea where you get that he is easily rattled. Morton is one year removed from throwing nearly 180 innings and drawing comparisons to some guy named Halladay; must be a “bum” too. He struggled last year, but he ultimately had Tommy John surgery so he was playing hurt. Now he’s touching 96 in his rehab starts, and looking like a clear upgrade to the rotation as some of the pitchers, Gomez and Locke, are in for some regression. Bringing Cole up now risks what happened to a guy like Oliver who had great stuff but wasn’t given the proper time to harness his ability fully and now is held back by control. What’s the rush? If you have guys with the potential to contribute to the rotation without throwing prospects into the mix who haven’t shown they are ready then give it a shot. Worst case scenario, Morton is ineffective as a starter and can be used as bullpen depth and Karstens becomes an experienced long man. Certainly not a “recipe for disaster” because pitching depth is NEVER a bad thing.
Take a lap and try again.

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By: meatygettingsaucy http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/gerrit-cole-links-two-reports-have-cole-as-a-number-two-starter.html#comment-27826 Thu, 23 May 2013 18:54:47 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54416#comment-27826 Even if Cole turns into a #2 starter, that would hardly be “not pan(ning) out”. Cole was projected as an ace who, until reaching AAA, showed all the signs of being an ace. With that being said, I don’t think any of us should be getting worked up over Cole’s future when he has had only ten starts at the AAA level. Not everyone moves up through the minors insanely fast. And to top it off, Cole is only 22 and won’t turn 23 until September.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/gerrit-cole-links-two-reports-have-cole-as-a-number-two-starter.html#comment-27824 Thu, 23 May 2013 17:02:13 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54416#comment-27824 “Have you ever watched Charlie Morton and Jeff Karstens pitch?”

Yes. As recently as within the last two weeks.

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By: Dan Kaminski http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/gerrit-cole-links-two-reports-have-cole-as-a-number-two-starter.html#comment-27822 Thu, 23 May 2013 16:50:24 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=54416#comment-27822 “The Pirates also don’t need him with Charlie Morton and Jeff Karstens returning soon.”

Have you ever watched Charlie Morton and Jeff Karstens pitch? They are both terrible players who are even worse at being easily rattled than Cole will ever be. I know this is about Cole, but Morton and Karstens should not be on the big league team ever again. More importantly there are no spots for them. The Burnett, Locke, Rodriguez, Liriano, Gomez rotation is playing extremely well. To take one of them out for a bum would throw the team into shambles for a third straight year. As I see it right now Cole is their best option if needed. They don’t need to go back to the known below average, crappy pitchers of all those losing years. Its a recipe for disaster.

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