Comments on: Pirates Can’t Find a Way to Win in Milwaukee; Pitchers Not Doing Themselves Favors http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/pirates-cant-find-a-way-to-win-in-milwaukee-pitchers-not-doing-themselves-favors.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sat, 26 Jul 2014 16:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Sandoz http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/pirates-cant-find-a-way-to-win-in-milwaukee-pitchers-not-doing-themselves-favors.html#comment-26873 Wed, 01 May 2013 15:03:51 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=52087#comment-26873 I’m not sure if there’s any truth to it or not, but the Brewers have been acused of stealing sign at home before. Their home and away splits do seem a little fishy, more than can be attributed to feeling “comfortable”. Rumbunter posted a gif of Martin last night. He definitely seemed to be mad about something.

Not saying that this is the sole reason for our pitchers to have walked so many, but it could explain it. If guys are teeing off on pitches because they know what’s coming, it would definitely cause the pitchers to start to avoid the bats and nibbling the zone.

Maybe it’s reaching due to frustration on my part, but the more you look at the numbers, the more it looks like it could be the case.

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By: joe g. http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/pirates-cant-find-a-way-to-win-in-milwaukee-pitchers-not-doing-themselves-favors.html#comment-26872 Wed, 01 May 2013 14:32:52 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=52087#comment-26872 I respectfully disagree in that I believe it has been the pitchers. Home runs will be hit at Miller Park. The Bucs are hitting them too in this series. The issue is control – way too many walks. Pirate pitchers have been putting multiple runners on base with less than two outs and have paid the price. Hitters are going to hit some well pitched balls, having runners on base via the walk really hurts. Worse yet, Wandy and JMac were laying some fat pitches in there. Martin called for pitches on the inner or outer half and they layed beach balls right down the middle. At PNC, they can get away with more of those mistakes, but not at Miller Park.

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By: smurph http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/pirates-cant-find-a-way-to-win-in-milwaukee-pitchers-not-doing-themselves-favors.html#comment-26871 Wed, 01 May 2013 14:26:04 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=52087#comment-26871 I feel that Searage has done an excellent job with the pitching staff the last couple of years. It is just hard to explain why the Brewers continue to blast Pirate pitching at home. That said, yes McDonald should be given one or two more chances. If he is not getting the job done, he should be moved to the BP or maybe he is a candidate for the DL because of reduced velocity. Looks like Liriano is ready to take one of those spots.

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/pirates-cant-find-a-way-to-win-in-milwaukee-pitchers-not-doing-themselves-favors.html#comment-26869 Wed, 01 May 2013 14:08:38 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=52087#comment-26869 Also, I doubt whether the Milwaukee series is going to make much difference to the Pirates about their plans for their pitching moves in the near future, IMO, a lot of those decisions have already been made. Someone like Locke could change their minds a bit however.
I think in a case like JMac the Pirates can’t get wrapped up in what he did the first half of last year, they have to look at him and what they have now, they have a pitcher that has lost his 94-95 mph fastball and is trying to develop into a pitcher with a normal fastball. To me he is a good trade candidate.

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/pirates-cant-find-a-way-to-win-in-milwaukee-pitchers-not-doing-themselves-favors.html#comment-26868 Wed, 01 May 2013 14:01:40 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=52087#comment-26868 IMO, it is not the Pirate pitchers in Milwaukee, but it is the pitching. The pitching approach is set up by the pitching coach, all the Pirate pitchers last night took the same approach and all of them gave up runs, except the last one. I don’t know what the right approach is in a place like that, I think if Bob Feller would have been pitching for the Pirates and they would have used their batboy to pinch hit he might have knocked it out of the park.
I have yet to read or see one article on how to pitch to the Brewers in Miller Park.
Remember the Brewers win nearly 2/3 of their games in that park.
They turn the game into a softball game.
I doubt very seriously if there is a pitcher in the entire Pirate system that I would have confidence in that they could go to Milwaukee and win. I think if Grilli would have gotten into last nights game they would have bombed him to.
Today would be a good day to change everything, forget about winning today and use today to try and figure out what to do with this team the next time the Pirates get to Milwaukee, use today as an experimental day.

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By: jg941 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/pirates-cant-find-a-way-to-win-in-milwaukee-pitchers-not-doing-themselves-favors.html#comment-26867 Wed, 01 May 2013 13:31:36 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=52087#comment-26867 Good article, Tim.

The one thing the Bucs need to do from a managment perspective is to start to manage like a team that expects to win and be there at the end of the year.

One of those practices is to go with your latter approach above, to shorten the leash significantly on the non-perfomers. It can be demoralizing when a part of your team is putting in the hard work and performing, while another is erasing all of those gains.

Continuing to talk about their depth is kind of a joke when the major league club is sticking with JMac, Hughes, Watson, etc. (and Sanchez for way too long, or at all) as their ERAs climb into the sixes (instead of letting them work it out in a less important environment), while letting others spin their wheels and dominate in AAA, like some of the folks you mention above, as well as others like Welker, Black, etc.

The wins that they are letting a lot of these guys throw away in April and May are going to cause them a lot of pain come September, IMO.

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By: joe g. http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/05/pirates-cant-find-a-way-to-win-in-milwaukee-pitchers-not-doing-themselves-favors.html#comment-26860 Wed, 01 May 2013 10:43:43 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=52087#comment-26860 The thing is though, the Pirates had a history on Leroux and they have one with JMac. Leroux’s body of work at the major league level was not good going back to 2009. It’s not like he pitched a ton of innings with Florida and the Bucs but looking at the body of work and injury issues, it just wasn’t working. JMac’s body of work with the exception of his first half last year, has been one of inconsistency. He has great stuff, but continues to have control issues. Considering the pitching depth, The real question with JMac is, “How do you justify keeping him in the rotation?”

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