Comments on: First Pitch: The Important Lower Tiers in the Prospect Rankings http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-important-lower-tiers-in-the-prospect-rankings.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Thu, 17 Apr 2014 17:28:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-important-lower-tiers-in-the-prospect-rankings.html#comment-29086 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:37:46 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=57233#comment-29086 I had him 47th on my list. The numbers are great, but he’s also a lefty with great off-speed stuff and strong command in low-A. Low-A hitters aren’t used to that combination. As he moves up, he’ll face hitters who have seen pitchers like him. Usually that results in those types of pitchers fading out either before, or once they reach the Double-A level.

Castro will be low on my list until he shows he can be the exception. Otherwise, he looks like another guy like Nelson Pereira, Eliecer Navarro, Jhonathan Ramos, etc.

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By: Kozy21 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-important-lower-tiers-in-the-prospect-rankings.html#comment-29084 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:54:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=57233#comment-29084 Hey Tim, between the top 20 and this article, I’ve seen no mention of Orlando Castro. He seems like his performance has been very solid. Where would you place him?

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-important-lower-tiers-in-the-prospect-rankings.html#comment-29076 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:07:37 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=57233#comment-29076 I talked about Hafner in ST.

http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/03/prospect-notebook-hafner-having-success-with-new-slider-kingham-and-fuesser-pitch-well.html

The increased strikeouts can probably be attributed to his new slider. He’s always had a good fastball, working in the 90-93 MPH range, and this year he’s been up to 94. Still has some control problems, but not as extreme as last year.

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By: emjayinTN http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-important-lower-tiers-in-the-prospect-rankings.html#comment-29072 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:50:25 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=57233#comment-29072 Foo: Right now he has 53K/20W in 37 IP. Last year he had 29K/68W in Lo A. He is definitely a surprise, but with the 6’6″ frame, he could just be growing into himself and getting his pitches under control. Still only 21.
I like NH a lot, but I never isolate him, because the entire management team has been a lot better than what we have been used to. He and Coonelly put out a list of goals when they got in here and in the Top 3 was to upgrade their minor league system which resulted in Pirate World in Bradenton, and another state-of-the=art facility in the Dominican. Another one of the top 3 was to draft better – they stuck their necks out, drafted aggressively, and made the amateur draft a laughing stock with their overpaying slot dollars to accumulate talent in great numbers. Only time I can remember MLB changing the rules to stop the Pirates from continuing. The third thing was instilling pride in the Pirate System and they have accomplished that also. Pay the man his money!!!!!

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By: joe g. http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-important-lower-tiers-in-the-prospect-rankings.html#comment-29066 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:04:39 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=57233#comment-29066 Great article Tim. Really helps put the farm system into perspective.

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By: deacs http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-important-lower-tiers-in-the-prospect-rankings.html#comment-29065 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:56:45 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=57233#comment-29065 I’ve been a fan of Neal for quite some time. You have to remember just how bad this team was when he took over – farm system and majors.

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By: David Lewis http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-important-lower-tiers-in-the-prospect-rankings.html#comment-29062 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:23:03 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=57233#comment-29062 ‘Upper level guys… have limited upsides, but higher floors with the ability to help out in the majors in the next year or two.”

This, I think, is the next thing that NH has to demonstrate he can do effectively – utilize guys who may not have star upsides but can contribute to the team. I recall an observation that someone made that St Louis always seems to do this – there’s some guy who gets called up from AAA for a season or two, puts up 2-4 WAR per season, then falls off the face of the earth, to be replaced by the next guy.

One thing that has worried me a little bit about the Pirates’ promotion philosophy is that they don’t seem to have a lot of faith in these “fringe” guys. They will move top-end prospects like Alvarez and Cole quickly through the system and into the big leagues, but they keep grabbing major-league roster filler like Inge and McDonald instead of trusting the guys in the system like Mercer and Presley to fill that same kind of role – with the internal options having much higher upside.

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-important-lower-tiers-in-the-prospect-rankings.html#comment-29061 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:19:41 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=57233#comment-29061 Tim….those stats on Hafner jumped out at me this morn. He’s a ‘where did HE come from’ type of under the radar player, right?

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By: Lee Young http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-important-lower-tiers-in-the-prospect-rankings.html#comment-29060 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:18:55 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=57233#comment-29060 Dom…I’ll save you the trouble. I have been on NH’s bandwagon for years. Welcome aboard.
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Plenty of seats left!
:)

Foo

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By: Steve Dimmick http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-important-lower-tiers-in-the-prospect-rankings.html#comment-29055 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:13:58 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=57233#comment-29055 I too believe he’s warrented an extension. 2-years max. That should be enough time for the team to succeed and if not, he’s gone. There is def. a light at the end of the tunnel. We have been seeing it for a year or two now and this year seems even more promising than last year. I think NH best is the assembly of the bullpen the last few years. Great value for the work provided.

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