Comments on: First Pitch: The Reason Gerrit Cole Could Be Optioned When Starters Return http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-reason-gerrit-cole-could-be-optioned-when-starters-return.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sat, 26 Jul 2014 05:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: PiratesFan1981 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-reason-gerrit-cole-could-be-optioned-when-starters-return.html#comment-30034 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 03:55:34 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58280#comment-30034 Great reading Tim! But I see that the article ruffled feathers here. I agree 100% with the decision to send cole down to AAA once all starters are healthy. I seen some one say that cole was a spark to the clubs winning ways. I think that was misguided conclusion. Nothing against Cole, but every team gets hot at a certain time. Cole was fortunate to be involved with this awesome run the Pirates are on. They were doing this before Cole arrived and will continue to get better with or without cole for the next 3 months. This is not one guy leading the team or taking us the distance, it is the DEPTH and talent in this organization. From top to bottom, the Pirates have depth in almost every position.
On another note, Cole is pitching alright now, but what happens when the hitters start catching on? I mean, let’s not jump the gun just yet with Cole. Let him mature more down in Indy and figure out his other pitches (besides his fast ball). All great pitchers need more then 1.5 pitches to win and control the game. Cole can control the game for a 5-6 innings and then hitters start to catch up to his fast ball. I love Cole and would like to see him stay, but he is not yet there to be the next ace for the Pirates. Give him a few weeks to a few months in Indy to get familiar with his other 2 pitches (besides the fast ball). From what I read and heard, he was just starting to throw the slider and curve ball in AAA more frequently this year. Allow the guy to grow before rushing him. Rushing players got us 20 losing seasons and bitterness to the FO and coaching of the pirates.

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By: gwbicster http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-reason-gerrit-cole-could-be-optioned-when-starters-return.html#comment-30024 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 01:43:23 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58280#comment-30024 That’s only true if there is an injury on the 25 man roster. Of course, that sort of thing is not difficult to fabricate.

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By: Josh Dziomba http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-reason-gerrit-cole-could-be-optioned-when-starters-return.html#comment-30022 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 01:06:27 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58280#comment-30022 By the way, he does not have the be on the roster, by Aug 31,That is for players outside of the organization. He can be called up on the last day of the season and be added to the playoff roster..

example… K Rod made his debut for the Angels on 9/18/02 and was on the post season roster

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By: gwbicster http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-reason-gerrit-cole-could-be-optioned-when-starters-return.html#comment-30016 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:54:53 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58280#comment-30016 The other argument I’ve seen posed by Travis Sawchek is that there may be an innings limit for Cole. I hadn’t considered that. However, sending him down means that he’ll still be throwing those innings, only at AAA. If they want to send him down and shut him down, that’s another issue.

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By: gwbicster http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-reason-gerrit-cole-could-be-optioned-when-starters-return.html#comment-30015 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:32:20 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58280#comment-30015 You present the best argument out of all of these comments so far for Cole being sent down, regarding the issues he has the third time through the lineup. However, I would argue that he has a better chance working on that with Searage at the major league level than back in AAA. As a matter of fact, I speculate that this is why he is not pitching Wednesday on his normal turn- to give him a chance to work on his breaking ball(s).

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By: gwbicster http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-reason-gerrit-cole-could-be-optioned-when-starters-return.html#comment-30014 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:26:20 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58280#comment-30014 The fact that Cole has trouble the third time through the lineup ignores the fact that he has been simply dominant the first two times through. Anyone who watches the games can see the difference between Cole and Morton. Charlie is not bad, but Cole is at another level.

Fort has an option, they won’t lose him. Next year Sanchez will be the backup no matter what and they will trade Fort (unless Martin or Sanchez get injured.)

Trading Morton won’t get a superstar in return but may well get a decent, professional hitter in RF who, say, can hit in the #2 spot (like Schierholz). Snider is not cutting it (although he is decent off the bench) and the jury is still out on Tabata, although he’s injured too much to make an assessment.

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By: gwbicster http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-reason-gerrit-cole-could-be-optioned-when-starters-return.html#comment-30013 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:15:02 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58280#comment-30013 I’ll be enjoying your comments when they miss the playoffs (or for that matter .500) by a game or two. Sanchez benefits more by being mentored by Martin for a half season than starting every day at AAA. Besides if they’re smart they’ll start Sanchez twice a week- at his age Martin could use the rest. Cole needs to start in the big leagues as he is ready and benefits more by working with Searage.

This is not 2007, the best man for the job gets the job, the big league team is not a farm team anymore. This is a lot more rational argument than you present.

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By: BuccosFanStuckinMD http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-reason-gerrit-cole-could-be-optioned-when-starters-return.html#comment-30008 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:53:32 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58280#comment-30008 Morton will never be anywhere remotely as good as Roy Holliday.

I would just settle for a sub 4.00 ERA, fewer walks, and more consistent results.

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By: BuccosFanStuckinMD http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-reason-gerrit-cole-could-be-optioned-when-starters-return.html#comment-30007 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:50:51 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58280#comment-30007 Outrageous statement? I don’t think so…but maybe I could have worded it differently. When the Pirates drafted Cole #1, don’t you think they were expecting a pitcher who would be better than Charlie Morton?? All I said was, IMHO, he already is. He probably was when he was drafted. That isn’t saying a lot, given Morton’s career to date.

Again, I don’t have the same high regard for Morton as Tim and others have for him. To me, he has never been more than erratic. Cole is already better than erratic.

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By: PirateTom http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/first-pitch-the-reason-gerrit-cole-could-be-optioned-when-starters-return.html#comment-30004 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:10:34 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58280#comment-30004 Sounds like we need to dump some “depth” at the trade deadline

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