Comments on: Why a Four-Man Pirates Rotation Could Work http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/why-a-four-man-pirates-rotation-could-work.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sat, 15 Nov 2014 08:41:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0 By: timdwyer8 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/why-a-four-man-pirates-rotation-could-work.html#comment-30167 Wed, 26 Jun 2013 11:40:49 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58258#comment-30167 I’d rather send Cole to the minors and let him develop as a 7-8-9 inning starter than stunt his development by limiting him to 3-4 innings per start. An innings-eating ace is invaluable. Don’t want to put that future at risk.

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By: Cato the Elder http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/why-a-four-man-pirates-rotation-could-work.html#comment-30145 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:36:50 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58258#comment-30145 It will be a problem because the Pirates won’t have a place to stash all of the quality arms on the roster, if everyone is healthy – hence the Cole to the minors talk. It won’t be a real problem because everyone wont be healthy, but it is still an interesting idea to think about.

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By: Cato the Elder http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/why-a-four-man-pirates-rotation-could-work.html#comment-30143 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:30:07 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58258#comment-30143 D’oh! You are right; my maths were bad. You also make a good point about the innings re pitch counts. I was picking 3.5 to leave a normal bullpen setup/closer situation in the 8th and 9th, but your correct, if the script played out the 2 starters would be combining for a complete game. The more I think about it though, it like this even better, because now you have 2 chances to use your bullpen in high leverage and/or matchup scenarios. If starter A gets into trouble in the 4th or 5th and lets a couple of runners on, you can go to Wilson, Melancon, or Grilli to get you out of the jam. Thus, letting starter B begin anew the next inning. Then starter B closes out your game, or you can still turn to your bullpen again if he gets in trouble or you want/need a reliever to close it out.

Truth is this will never happen. 1) because our 7 starters aren’t all going to be healthy at the same time long enough for this to truly play out. 2) I can’t imagine a scenario where Clint Hurdle would embrace such an unconventional approach.

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By: Jeremy J Stein http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/why-a-four-man-pirates-rotation-could-work.html#comment-30139 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:57:09 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58258#comment-30139 I think this is a good idea and it could work.
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Of course as others have noted, the hard part is getting all of the pitchers to buy into it.
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Personally I think the reason for the 2011 and 2012 collapses was that the Starting pitching and bullpen came back to earth, either because they were worn out, injuries or just the baseball gods evening things out. Hopefully, the depth (quality and quanity) will help minimize the normalization of the pitching.
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This idea gives them flexibility. Reduce the workload a little bit and then work guys back up in late August and September to get ready for playoffs (hopefully). If it doesn’t work out, it’s easy enough to drop the experiment and call bulpen guys back up from Indy.
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Playoffs?!?! PLAYOFFS?!?!:?!!

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By: stickyweb http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/why-a-four-man-pirates-rotation-could-work.html#comment-30136 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:40:31 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58258#comment-30136 Just checked out that link Old Cato, and it pretty much says Locke is pitching with a broken leg, torn rotator cuff and a blister on his middle finger. He’s so far ahead of everybody else, he’s lapping people.

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By: stickyweb http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/why-a-four-man-pirates-rotation-could-work.html#comment-30134 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:26:49 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58258#comment-30134 Their target pitch count is still 80 every game. If they’ve been throwing 80 every 4 days it should take exactly 1 start to stretch them out to 95 – 100 pitches. One start in the last week of the season and they’re ready for playoffs. Did I just say the Pirates are ready for PLAYOFFS? Wow!

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By: stickyweb http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/why-a-four-man-pirates-rotation-could-work.html#comment-30133 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:21:18 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58258#comment-30133 Technicalities, Cato. If the pitching starved Rockies couldn’t pull it off, IT CAN’T WORK. I’m sure prior to trying this, the Rockies were leading the league in ERA and this just screwed the whole season for them :-)

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By: stickyweb http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/why-a-four-man-pirates-rotation-could-work.html#comment-30132 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:19:02 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58258#comment-30132 You’re right this won’t happen, but don’t thank God, thank closed minds.

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By: stickyweb http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/why-a-four-man-pirates-rotation-could-work.html#comment-30131 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:17:37 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58258#comment-30131 Good points Old Cato, but your math is off. 3.5 innings every 4 days is 17.5 every 20. Also, I don’t like your 3.5 inning estimate.
I think more appropriate figures would be starters going 4.5 every 4 days (4 one start, 5 next start) because target pitch counts in the story is 80. That looks more like 4.5 innings (17.8 pitches/inning) to me than 3.5 (22.8 per). But your argument still holds, just not as dramatically. Starters would pitch 22.5 innings every 20 days instead of 24 innings. Certainly not over working them.

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By: stickyweb http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/06/why-a-four-man-pirates-rotation-could-work.html#comment-30128 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 20:53:20 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=58258#comment-30128 Hurdle obviously doesn’t have faith in 6 pitchers in the late innings or he wouldn’t have thrown both Melancon and Grilli in a 4 run game recently, with MM having pitched in 3 of 4 before that. Sure Vin and Morris might accidently pitch in the 8th when we have a lead, but it’s much more likely Hurdle forgot what inning it was than that he has faith in them to “hold” or “set up”.

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