Comments on: First Pitch: The Actual Value of Platoons http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/first-pitch-the-actual-value-of-platoons.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Fri, 18 Apr 2014 21:09:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: Josh Dziomba http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/first-pitch-the-actual-value-of-platoons.html#comment-31061 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:13:01 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60151#comment-31061 Tim, all I can say is I thank God that you are not running the Pirates. Then we could have every player platoon and run the game likes its a Video Game or a fantasy lineup. All these ideas take out of the equation the human factor. Like when everybody complains of Gaby Sanchez hitting RHP its because he doesnt see them very often. I believe his last two HRs were of RHP.

Now with Pedro you park him in the middle of the lineup and you do not move him no matter what. Even vs LHP he brings fear into an opposing manager and pitcher. Even a lefty knows he can’t make a mistake.

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By: Bryan Graham http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/first-pitch-the-actual-value-of-platoons.html#comment-31051 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:54:13 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60151#comment-31051 I don’t care is a guy straddles the plate and swings the bat between his legs, if he can hit then he can hit.

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By: gwbicster http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/first-pitch-the-actual-value-of-platoons.html#comment-31050 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 03:47:34 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60151#comment-31050 With all respect, when you’re talking about platoons, the guy who plays against RHSP is that very 2/3rds of the game that is more important than the platoon guy who plays the 1/3rds against LHSP. I would rather have a very strong team against RHSP than worry too much about my lineup against LHSP, especially in a division that has a larger perponderance of RHSP than any other division. (Reds and Cards all RHSP at the moment.)

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By: gwbicster http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/first-pitch-the-actual-value-of-platoons.html#comment-31048 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 03:36:17 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60151#comment-31048 Disagree strongly that he isn’t improving against lefties, at least LHRP. In the past week alone, you can see him handling his plate discipline and taking those outside breaking pitches lefties pound him with to LF for singles. Granted he’ll never be as good vs. LHP as RHP, but IMO he is more than acceptable. I prefer Hurdle’s approach hitting him a spot or two lower in the order to platooning him.

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By: gwbicster http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/first-pitch-the-actual-value-of-platoons.html#comment-31047 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 03:33:17 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60151#comment-31047 Smith is their DH vs. RHP. They platoon at 5 positions, and their benches are usually completely RH or LH. It is a radical approach, that has worked amazingly, and the new market ineffeciency, if you will.

I’m just not convinced that any more than two platoons would work on an NL team, unless they were willing to consider going with only 11 pitchers (which I think they could/should, but isn’t really feasable with Hurdle’s mismanagement of his bullpens.)

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By: gwbicster http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/first-pitch-the-actual-value-of-platoons.html#comment-31046 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 03:30:01 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60151#comment-31046 Part of the problem the offense currently has is hitting with RISP. Hurdle has exaserbated that problem with his batting orders that stack all the guys who hit righties better in a row (which theoretically would make for more scoring chances early in the game before RPs are a factor) and the same for the guys who hit lefties better (RH bats). This clearly has not worked, and I am very happy he is starting to stagger the order now as he did earlier in the season (which worked much better).

From a purely statistical approach and theoretically, you are correct, that it’s more important to consider the impact in the first 2/3rds of the game, but in practicality, in the NL, it just doesn’t/hasn’t worked.

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By: Matt Beam http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/first-pitch-the-actual-value-of-platoons.html#comment-31028 Thu, 11 Jul 2013 23:03:30 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60151#comment-31028 Hilarious

Two words for 3rd base and PH, Cody Ransom

As an alternative (if Gaby really can play a decent 3rd base), Kendrys Morales?

Pirates not only need upgrades vs LHP, but guys like Morales with a history of hitting well with RISP

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By: emjayinTN http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/first-pitch-the-actual-value-of-platoons.html#comment-31024 Thu, 11 Jul 2013 23:00:16 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60151#comment-31024 I may be looking at the wrong numbers – does Pedro lead the Pirates with most AB’s against Lefties? Fourth overall in number of hits against Lefties? Is he first in RBI’s against Lefties? Two hits last night against Lefties, and I think both were for RBI’s, but I am not sure – it was too late. I applaud Hurdle and his insistence in keeping Pedro in the lineup regardless of who is pitching – two months ago he would have been on the bench. But, the kid is hitting and Hurdle is a knowledgeable Manager who is willing to ride him as long as he is able to make contact and drive in runs. BTW, a great showing by the ladies at last night’s game – Garrett’s wife, AJ’s wife and daughter(?), Pedro’s sig other, ‘Cutch’s sig other, and a few others.

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By: Kerry Writtenhouse http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/first-pitch-the-actual-value-of-platoons.html#comment-31022 Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:20:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60151#comment-31022 First off, Snider isn’t the player to replace to improve against lefties. Snider has stunk overall against lefties and righties. Scott Hairston would have been a good get for mashing against lefties.

I agree with Tim on the premise that if you have platoon bats filling your bench, they will be more prepared for pinch hitting assignments when they come up. You’re not always going to replace the lefty hitters when a lefty comes to the mound. It depends on the situation. In addittion, most teams have at most 2 lefties in the bullpen so that scenario won’t play out nearly as often. Subbing out the platoon half that’s starting a particular game should be dictated by game situations.

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By: BostonsCommon http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/first-pitch-the-actual-value-of-platoons.html#comment-31021 Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:17:04 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60151#comment-31021 Manny Ramirez is back with AAA Roundrock….

In all seriousness, I don’t think the return value is there in terms of prospects. Outside top 20 for sure. Tim, prove me wrong?

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