Comments on: Prospect Watch: Allie Hits a Walk Off HR; Jamestown Scores 29 Runs in a DH http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/prospect-watch-allie-hits-a-walk-off-hr-jamestown-scores-29-runs-in-a-dh.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Wed, 12 Nov 2014 14:31:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0 By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/prospect-watch-allie-hits-a-walk-off-hr-jamestown-scores-29-runs-in-a-dh.html#comment-30756 Mon, 08 Jul 2013 21:10:31 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=59742#comment-30756 I’m just trying to stress that my thoughts on these individual starts don’t carry a lot of weight. So when I say a guy has a bad start, it’s not like I thought for hours over it, and it’s not like it changes the opinion on that player over the long run.

I spent more time discussing Kingham’s start in the comments than I did thinking about how to classify it.

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By: rsborelli http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/prospect-watch-allie-hits-a-walk-off-hr-jamestown-scores-29-runs-in-a-dh.html#comment-30755 Mon, 08 Jul 2013 20:57:57 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=59742#comment-30755 Tim, I’m not sure what my point was in pointing that out, to be honest! For whatever reason, the word “bad” jumped out at me, and I expected to see different numbers in front of me. Always easy to misinterpret words on a screen, but seems like I touched a nerve, and that was certainly not my intention! Love the site. Keep up the good work.

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By: Andrew Smalley http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/prospect-watch-allie-hits-a-walk-off-hr-jamestown-scores-29-runs-in-a-dh.html#comment-30663 Sun, 07 Jul 2013 15:04:11 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=59742#comment-30663 Fair enough, as that all seems reasonable to me.

FWIW, I think some are determined to counter the negative perception/tilt that another ‘recapper’ (and contributor to this site) provides on minor league games on another site. His commentary probably makes people a little more sensitive as they read MiLB recaps.

In any event, I’m more interested in the numbers than some dude’s interpretation of them, anyways. I presume most are of a similar mind.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/prospect-watch-allie-hits-a-walk-off-hr-jamestown-scores-29-runs-in-a-dh.html#comment-30660 Sun, 07 Jul 2013 14:50:00 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=59742#comment-30660 I almost want to never classify starts just because of the pointless nitpicking. I’ve had situations where I’ve made arguments like the one you just made about starts that were similar to Kingham’s. In fact, I think Taillon had the exact same outing earlier in the year. I called it a decent start, and someone said it wasn’t a good one and pointed out the earned runs.

Pretty much any time I classify a start, people nitpick one way or the other. But really it doesn’t matter at all. The individual starts are pointless to the big picture. It’s all of the starts combined that matter. And the classifications of the individual starts is subjective to what people are looking at.

For me, I saw Kingham get hit hard his first two innings, then settle down for the next five and end up with a good K/BB ratio. The good part of the start was that he settled down, and had a good K/BB ratio. But I don’t think you can discount what happened in the first two innings.

Once again, this discussion is pointless. Call it what you want, because it doesn’t matter. For me, it was a bad start with some positive signs, and doesn’t change my high opinion of Kingham.

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By: Andrew Smalley http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/prospect-watch-allie-hits-a-walk-off-hr-jamestown-scores-29-runs-in-a-dh.html#comment-30657 Sun, 07 Jul 2013 14:34:05 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=59742#comment-30657 Agreed – it wasn’t a ‘bad start’. In MiLB, the focus is one K/BB ratios, not allowing XBH’s, and working on command/control.

Kingham K’d 5 in 7 IP; only walked 1; only gave up one XBH; kept the ball in the park; and, went deep into the game for 7 innings.

Tim’s right: No one should be troubled by one outing, bad or not, in this point of Kingham’s progress. With that being said, I agree – this wasn’t a bad start and should be looked at as another solid start in his development.

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By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/prospect-watch-allie-hits-a-walk-off-hr-jamestown-scores-29-runs-in-a-dh.html#comment-30653 Sun, 07 Jul 2013 14:16:45 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=59742#comment-30653 If Kingham gave up 4 ER in 7 IP every time, he’d have a 5.14 ERA. It’s OK to say that this wasn’t his best stuff and that he had a bad outing. The fact that he settled down after the damage doesn’t erase the fact that he allowed the damage in the first two innings.

I don’t know what you would call this start, because it wasn’t a good start. And really it doesn’t matter at all. It doesn’t change anyone’s opinion on Kingham, myself included. Even top prospects can have a bad day. The Prospect Watch is only about looking at what a guy did that day. It has little impact on how to view a player for the long-term.

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By: rburgh http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/prospect-watch-allie-hits-a-walk-off-hr-jamestown-scores-29-runs-in-a-dh.html#comment-30652 Sun, 07 Jul 2013 14:12:54 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=59742#comment-30652 Looking like Rojas and Oliver would be an adequate price for a RF upgrade, especially considering the scrap that got traded for Nolasco. That would be nice.

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By: rsborelli http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/prospect-watch-allie-hits-a-walk-off-hr-jamestown-scores-29-runs-in-a-dh.html#comment-30649 Sun, 07 Jul 2013 13:26:14 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=59742#comment-30649 “Bad start” for Kingham? I know 4 ER allowed is not a great or probably even good start, but he did give his team 7 innings. And did not allow a hit after the second inning. All his hits and runs in first two innings, then tosses five no-hit innings to give his team a chance. I would not call that a bad start.

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