Comments on: Trade Values: Alexei Ramirez http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/trade-values-alexei-ramirez.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Wed, 16 Apr 2014 18:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: Tim Williams http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/trade-values-alexei-ramirez.html#comment-31749 Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:01:56 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60921#comment-31749 This tool has been around since 2009. I didn’t develop it, I just use it on the site to give an idea of a player’s value. It’s also as unbiased as you can get. Use the player’s salary, their value, and find the surplus value. Then you match that with the values of prospects.

I guarantee every major league team uses a system like this. They might have different values for the players, which would impact the numbers. I tend to aim a little high with the WAR numbers to show the max value a player should receive.

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By: Dean Manifest http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/trade-values-alexei-ramirez.html#comment-31744 Sat, 20 Jul 2013 13:33:15 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60921#comment-31744 Agree with most of your post, but LOL at “Tim concluded” that Rios won’t cost top prospects. Yup, the trade valuation tool currently in use by this blog says Rios is worth a C prospect, so you can book it- that’s what he’s gonna cost! C’mon. First, this tool is very much a work in progress. I applaud any and all efforts to make sense of a complicated game, but using the conclusions drawn as FACTS is taking it too far. Today we shake our heads at a time in which stats like BA a W/L were used to evaluate hitters and pitchers. And the next generation will no doubt get a chuckle out of the early attempts to calculate things like prospect trade values. Let’s not act like we’ve solved baseball. Secondly, even if the judgment that “Rios is worth X” was stone cold irrefutable science, that doesn’t mean that the front offices of the Chicago White Sox and their potential trade partners will agree with it. Rios will cost whatever the market will bear, and if the Sox aren’t satisfied with whatever that happens to be then they may just hold. So you’ll pardon fans if they don’t treat the cost of Rios or any other player like its “Case Closed” just because a local blogger logged a helpful and interesting post on the topic.

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By: Dean Manifest http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/trade-values-alexei-ramirez.html#comment-31740 Sat, 20 Jul 2013 12:53:41 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60921#comment-31740 I’m surprised you don’t see more sellers involve a third party to get the kind of prospect they want. For example, Arizona’s insistence on a MLB-ready third baseman really cramped the pool of potential trade partners. The Pirates for one simply didn’t have a player like that. But what we did have was plenty of pitching. In situations like that it seems like it could make sense to send part of AZ’s return to Texas for Olt. (Not that I’m retroactivelt advocating for the Upton trade; it’s just an example of the kind of thing you could- but never DO- see around the deadline.)

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By: JimBibbySweat http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/trade-values-alexei-ramirez.html#comment-31734 Sat, 20 Jul 2013 01:21:26 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60921#comment-31734 I’m not really sure I’d pick up the pair for the price of their contracts. After all, the Chi Sox got Rios on a waiver claim several years ago. The only thing I like about Rios is the improved defense he’d offer. He did make the best throw at PNC Park I can recall, nailing a Pirates runner with a rope throw from the right field line when he was with Toronto. Just give me Kendrys Morales, keep the top prospects in the organization, and let’s go…unless, there’s a player the Pirates are targeting whose name isn’t in the trade rumors right now.

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By: Chris Hale http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/trade-values-alexei-ramirez.html#comment-31733 Sat, 20 Jul 2013 01:02:24 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60921#comment-31733 I think it’s evident that Mercer will never be the caliber defender that Ramirez is. He just missed anm easy grounder up the middle which should have been close to routine and it cost the team 4 runs. He get’s a slow read off the bat he doesn’t have near the range of Ramirez. If he had the upside of Ramirez he wouldn’t have been bounced between 2nd and SS in the minors

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By: Dean Frederick Ward http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/trade-values-alexei-ramirez.html#comment-31732 Sat, 20 Jul 2013 00:24:46 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60921#comment-31732 See now I wouldn’t mind getting Ramirez if were already giving up a bunch and all we have to throw in is something small but don’t give up much for him mercer will do

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By: Jeremy J Stein http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/trade-values-alexei-ramirez.html#comment-31730 Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:14:09 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60921#comment-31730 Okay, so if Rios is your guy, and the White Sox want Kingham, then would you make that trade?

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By: BostonsCommon http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/trade-values-alexei-ramirez.html#comment-31729 Fri, 19 Jul 2013 22:03:10 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60921#comment-31729 A fair deal is the prospects. More than a fair deal is picking up 3/4 of the remaining salary on top of that.

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By: Jeremy J Stein http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/trade-values-alexei-ramirez.html#comment-31728 Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:56:01 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60921#comment-31728 That was my original point though. If the White Sox expect more than a fair offer then I would rather the Pirates miss out on Rios by offering only a fair offer instead of getting Rios by offering more than a fair deal (Tailon, Polanco, Kingham, Glasnow).

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By: BostonsCommon http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/07/trade-values-alexei-ramirez.html#comment-31727 Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:31:19 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=60921#comment-31727 HA, of course they are going to want Taillon, Polanco, and Kingham, and Glasnow. That doesn’t mean they’re going to get them. That’s the name of the game if your Neil Huntington. Hanson I would consider, just cuz I’m not as high on him, but I would still try to avoid.

It’s a salary dump for the White Sox. So pick up $12M of the $18M or so remaining on his contract through next year, and get the prospects sorted out. I know the Bucs aren’t the Yanks, but with more than 2M on pace to go through the turnstiles, and home playoff games likely, the revenue will be there to absorb that cost.

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