Comments on: First Pitch: The Reason the Pirates Could Be Successful For Many Years http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/08/first-pitch-the-reason-the-pirates-could-be-successful-for-many-years.html Your best source for news on the Pittsburgh Pirates and their minor league system. Sun, 20 Apr 2014 09:57:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.3 By: emjayinTN http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/08/first-pitch-the-reason-the-pirates-could-be-successful-for-many-years.html#comment-34276 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:29:09 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=64027#comment-34276 Tim: Excellent and thought provoking article. Getting guys like Burnett, Liriano, and Rodriguez has been a tremendous improvement for the team, and has enabled the Pirates to bring on a few youngsters to blend in. Searage has been very strong, and getting Russell Martin this year has really tipped the scales in favor of the Pirates. But, the “sleepers” the Pirates have gotten in the recent drafts show the depth of scouting expertise – SP’s like Brandon Cumpton, Nick Kingham, and Tyler Glasnow and other SP’s who have been converted to the BP such as Tony Watson, Justin Wilson, and 5 or 6 others. Guys like Cole, Taillon, and Heredia are locks and obvious to just about any baseball fan, but the “sleepers” are the guys who will help this team turn the corner. A few others I like are Vic Black and Zac Fuesser who has turned into a fairly reliable LHRP.

Right now, Charlie Morton has been very solid for the past 3 or 4 starts and has provided a solid SP at a time when it is needed most. I still see parts of his approach I would hope he changes, like overthrowing his two seamer by about 2 or 3 mph, and falling into a habit of elevating pitches when he is under stress – all things that come with rehabbing from TJ surgery.

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By: emjayinTN http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/08/first-pitch-the-reason-the-pirates-could-be-successful-for-many-years.html#comment-34275 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:01:51 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=64027#comment-34275 The Pirates have had the most success with pitchers out of the American League, who already have an edge going against 8 hitters + a pitcher in the NL as opposed to 9 strong hitters in the AL – 1/9 x 100 = 11.1% edge.

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By: mam995 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/08/first-pitch-the-reason-the-pirates-could-be-successful-for-many-years.html#comment-34274 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:00:36 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=64027#comment-34274 I meant to say that Jonathan Sanchez openly said that he WOULD NOT change the way that he was pitching

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By: mam995 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/08/first-pitch-the-reason-the-pirates-could-be-successful-for-many-years.html#comment-34273 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:57:22 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=64027#comment-34273 Tim, I loved this article and also the one about rating a pitcher from being a number one starter on down. Your writings are far more than mere musings. They are wonderful didactic analyses about the rational approach to the business of baseball. And beyond semantics, it IS a business. The statical qualifiers that you use to rate and justify player worth (like WAR) make perfect sense in what has been up to now an imperfect business model with high failure rates. Throwing money up against the wall to get players like the Yankees did for years no longer guarantees success. Especially in the post Steroid Era. The “too” rational Bob Nutting might be on to something. In a very classic sense, he’s forcing Huntington to be business thorough in his management approach. It might actually work. For example, most business models in other industries are copies of successful outcomes in their industry. I mean, look at what the Cardinals are doing well overall, look at what the A’s are doing in finding quality pitching prospects as a constant. . Look at what the Twins and Angels are doing in constantly finding quality outfield prospects and copy them. One thing of note* Jonathan Sanchez openly said that he would change the way he was pitching, so his failure was on HIM. I also think that James McDonald might need a sports shrink the same way that Charlie Morton did. In your article about a number one starter having “plus” pitches, you also mentioned that number one starters have “plus” mentalities as well. Perhaps a shrink can help James as well. It’s gotten to the point that McDonald’s confidence is so bad that he can’t even get out rookies who were in high school a few weeks ago. He needs mental help (I think).

Marc

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By: BostonsCommon http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/08/first-pitch-the-reason-the-pirates-could-be-successful-for-many-years.html#comment-34265 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 20:11:08 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=64027#comment-34265 Cano will be a $100M man. I don’t have a problem with giving Cano that type of cash, just because he is a premium player that puts up elite numbers (I wouldn’t have paid Pedroia $100M). I would have tried to do it earlier, but whatever, he’s probably going to get at least 5 years @ $20M. He might even get 7 years, with the idea of a team moving him off 2B toward the latter stages.

My only issue is with the idea of paying a 2B $100M. It would be easier on me if Cano played 3B, or SS, or even 1B. It just seems to me that you should be able to fill 2B for less than premium dollars.

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By: smurph http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/08/first-pitch-the-reason-the-pirates-could-be-successful-for-many-years.html#comment-34260 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:48:54 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=64027#comment-34260 I would say Cano can expect more than 12 million per. As you said, it just would not be worth the risk for the Pirates.

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By: leadoff http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/08/first-pitch-the-reason-the-pirates-could-be-successful-for-many-years.html#comment-34257 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:15:17 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=64027#comment-34257 Baseball these days has so much parity that paying big money is just stupid in many cases, sometimes all you have to do is open your cupboard door and the right ingredients are right there, we have the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence mentality in sports.

Cano will be on the market after the season and he already priced himself out of most of the teams in baseballs price range, of course there will be fans calling the Pirates cheap for not getting into the 200mil+ bidding war for this guy. I think I would go as high as 12mil a year for him, the reason being that you can find a 2nd basemen for that kind of money that can be an intricate part of a team. Cano is probably the best 2nd basemen in baseball, but not necessarily a franchise player.

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By: smurph http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/08/first-pitch-the-reason-the-pirates-could-be-successful-for-many-years.html#comment-34256 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 17:38:31 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=64027#comment-34256 No question Searage gets a ton of credit. But back to the story. I believe it is the only option to go for the bouce back candidates. When you are giving guys like Edwin Jackson 32 million or Greinke 147 nmillion, that is just not realistic. Sure it did not work out with Sanchez and Contreras, but the success rate is close to what you would get for all those overpaid starters. Heck Locke has been better than Edwin Jackson, I would bet there are two or three other kids in Indy who could have done as well as Jackson without that huge outlay of money.

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By: Andrew http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/08/first-pitch-the-reason-the-pirates-could-be-successful-for-many-years.html#comment-34252 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:37:46 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=64027#comment-34252 Find some guys with high unsustainable HR/FB ratios; Burnett 2011 17.0%, Melancon 2012, 22.2%, Gomez 2012, 14.9%, and have starters decrease fourseamer usage in favor of sinker. Obviously there is more to the performance turn around than that, but clearly Pirates have identified candidates and have a strategy that has produced returns. Lets hope its continues, because teams can never have enough pitching depth.

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By: moose7195 http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/08/first-pitch-the-reason-the-pirates-could-be-successful-for-many-years.html#comment-34250 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:31:19 +0000 http://www.piratesprospects.com/?p=64027#comment-34250 First offseason move: extend Uncle Ray Searage. The way he’s coached, I wouldn’t be surprised if other teams were courting him. He’s the common denominator in the pitching staff’s sudden improvement, and he should be the guy that ushers Cole and Taillon into the baseball world. After Searage is locked down, then yes maybe another starter is in order, but I wouldn’t spend the whole budget on one with all of the holes in the lineup.

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