Prospect Watch: The Numbers From Tyler Glasnow’s Latest Start Are NSFW

TOP OF THE SYSTEM

A look at how the current top 20 prospects did today. Note that this list doesn’t include players currently in the majors. If a player is in the majors, he will be removed, everyone below him will be shifted up a spot, and a new player will be added to the bottom of the list. Rankings are from the mid-season rankings, and links on each name go to their Pirates Prospects player page.

1. Jameson Taillon, RHP, Indianapolis (1-1, 3.75) – 6.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 3 K, 0 HR

2. Gregory Polanco, CF, Altoona (.272) – 0-for-3, BB, 2 K

3. Tyler Glasnow, RHP, West Virginia (8-3, 2.29) – 5.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 5 BB, 13 K, 0 HR

4. Alen Hanson, SS, Altoona (.213) – 3-for-5, 3B, 2 RBI

5. Austin Meadows, CF, GCL Pirates (.308) – 1-for-4, HR, 2 RBI

6. Josh Bell, RF, West Virginia (.284) – 1-for-4

7. Nick Kingham, RHP, Altoona (3-3, 3.06) – DNP

8. Luis Heredia, RHP, West Virginia Power (4-3, 3.42) – DNP

9. Reese McGuire, C, GCL Pirates (.312) – 2-for-4

10. Dilson Herrera, 2B, West Virginia (.264) – 2-for-4, 2 2B

11. Barrett Barnes, CF, West Virginia (.261) – Low-A DL

12. Kyle McPherson, RHP, Indianapolis (0-1, 19.29) – Triple-A DL

13. Stetson Allie, 1B, Bradenton (.227) – DNP

14. Wyatt Mathisen, C, Jamestown (.667) – DNP

15. Clay Holmes, RHP, West Virginia (5-6, 4.09) – DNP

16. Stolmy Pimentel, RHP, Indianapolis (2-5, 3.03) – DNP

17. Vic Black, RHP, Indianapolis (3-3, 2.27) – DNP

18. Harold Ramirez, CF, Jamestown (.297) – 1-for-4, HR

19. Blake Taylor, LHP, GCL Pirates (0-2, 3.18) – DNP

20. Jin-De Jhang, C, Jamestown (.287) – 1-for-4, 3B

 

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DAILY SUMMARY

Top Pitcher: Tyler Glasnow, RHP (2.29) – 5.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 5 BB, 13 K, 0 HR

Top Hitter: Alen Hanson, SS (.213) – 3-for-5, 3B, 2 RBI

Home Runs: Andrew Lambo (18), Harold Ramirez (4), Austin Meadows (4)

 

AAA: INDIANAPOLIS INDIANS

Box Score

Result: Indianapolis 6, Rochester 1

Starting Pitcher: Jameson Taillon, RHP (1-1, 3.75) – 6.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 3 K, 0 HR

Top Hitter: Andrew Lambo, DH (.272) – 1-for-4, HR, 2 RBI, 3 K

Other Notable Performers:

Matt Hague, 3B-1B (.285) – 3-for-5, 2B

Travis Snider, RF (.250) – 1-for-4, RBI

Alex Presley, CF (.292) – 2-for-5

Duke Welker, RHP (3.36) – 1.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 3 K, 0 HR

Game Notes: In his last two starts, Jameson Taillon has gone 12 innings, with three earned runs on ten hits and six walks. He also has 12 strikeouts in those outings. That’s a sudden improvement over his first two starts where he gave up seven runs in 12 innings. The walks have been an issue so far, with 13 in 24 innings, but that was the same thing with Gerrit Cole in his first month in Triple-A. The surprising thing tonight is that Taillon threw 105 pitches, which shows the Pirates might be a little more relaxed about the pitch counts at the end of the year (more on that later). Andrew Lambo hit his 18th homer of the year for Indianapolis, and his 32nd of the year overall. Travis Snider made his first rehab start with Indianapolis, although he didn’t play the entire game.

 

AA: ALTOONA CURVE 

Box Score

Result: Richmond 9, Altoona 7

Starting Pitcher: Eliecer Navarro, LHP (4-6, 4.43) – 3.1 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 5 BB, 2 K, 0 HR

Top Hitter: Alen Hanson, SS (.213) – 3-for-5, 3B, 2 RBI

Other Notable Performers:

Jarek Cunningham, 2B (.220) – 2-for-4, 2B, SB

Mel Rojas, LF (.271) – 2-for-4

Game NotesAlen Hanson Picks Up Three Hits, But Pitching Dooms Curve.

 

A+: BRADENTON MARAUDERS

Bradenton was postponed due to rain.

 

Tyler Glasnow struck out 13 in five innings. (Photo Credit: Tom Bragg)

Tyler Glasnow struck out 13 in five innings. (Photo Credit: Tom Bragg)

A: WEST VIRGINIA POWER

Box Score

Result: Charleston 5, West Virginia 4

Starting Pitcher: Tyler Glasnow, RHP (2.29) – 5.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 5 BB, 13 K, 0 HR

Top Hitter: Dilson Herrera, 2B (.264) – 2-for-4, 2 2B

Other Notable Performers:

Raul Fortunato, CF (.240) – 3-for-4, 2B, RBI

Josh Bell, DH (.284) – 1-for-4

Game Notes: Tyler Glasnow got 15 outs tonight, and 13 of them were via strikeouts. This was the fifth time this season that he has struck out 10+ batters in a start, and his 13 strikeouts tonight sets a new career high. Glasnow now has 160 strikeouts in 106.1 innings of work. As with Taillon, Glasnow was allowed to go deeper with his pitch count. He threw 98 pitches tonight, with 60 strikes. Normally he has been limited to around 75 pitches per start. He had some control issues with five walks, a hit batter, and a wild pitch, but he was unhittable. The hit batter, wild pitch, and four of the walks came in the first two innings. After the fourth walk, Glasnow struck out nine of his next 11 batters, giving up one more walk and getting a ground out. Glasnow turns 20 on Friday. Dilson Herrera added two doubles, giving him 27 on the year.

 

A-: JAMESTOWN JAMMERS

Box Score

Result: Mahoning Valley 3, Jamestown 2

Starting Pitcher: Buddy Borden, RHP (1.17) – 3.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K, 0 HR

Top Hitter: Harold Ramirez, CF (.297) – 1-for-4, HR

Other Notable Performers:

Adam Frazier, SS (.341) – 2-for-4, SB

Jin-De Jhang, DH (.287) – 1-for-4, 3B

Isaac Sanchez, RHP (3.60) – 3.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 0 HR

Game Notes: Buddy Borden made his first start for Jamestown, throwing three shutout innings. The seventh round pick has given up one run on five hits in 7.2 innings, with a 13:2 K/BB ratio. Harold Ramirez hit his third homer of the year. Jin-De Jhang hit a triple, which is something I would pay to see. Adam Frazier had his fourth multi-hit game in his last six games. He’s still hitting nothing but singles, with a .035 ISO on the season.

 

RK: GCL PIRATES

Box Score

Result: Pirates 7, Tigers 5

Starting Pitcher: James McDonald, RHP (6.75) – 2.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 0 HR

Top Hitter: Austin Meadows, CF (.308) – 1-for-4, HR, 2 RBI

Other Notable Performers:

Enyel Vallejo, LF (.302) – 2-for-5, 3B

Reese McGuire, C (.312) – 2-for-4

Nick Buckner, DH (.238) – 3-for-4, 2 RBI

Danny Arribas, 1B (.282) – 2-for-4, RBI

Neil Kozikowski, RHP (1-1, 1.35) – 4.0 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 0 HR

Game Notes: James McDonald made the start in the GCL today, throwing two perfect innings. For more on McDonald’s rehab, and what was going on earlier in the year, check out my story on him from today. Austin Meadows hit his fourth homer of the year. I heard a scout exclaim “Jay Bruce” after the homer, which is a comp that was also thrown out on draft day. I don’t like player comps because people tend to get too specific with them. In this case, I don’t think Meadows will be exactly like Bruce, but has some impressive power from the left side. Neil Kozikowski now has a 1.35 ERA in 20 innings, with an 11:3 K/BB ratio.

Tim Williams

Author: Tim Williams

Tim is the owner and editor in chief of Pirates Prospects. He started the site in January 2009, and turned it into his full time job during the 2011 season. Prior to starting Pirates Prospects, Tim worked with AccuScore.com, providing MLB, NHL, and NFL coverage to various national media outlets, including ESPN Insider, USA Today, Yahoo Sports, and the Wall Street Journal. He also writes the annual Prospect Guide, which is sold through the site. Tim lives in Bradenton, where he provides live coverage all year of Spring Training, mini camp, instructs, the Bradenton Marauders, and the GCL Pirates.

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  • CalipariFan506

    Taillon now has 134 innings. It’d be nice to get him three more starts in the regular season then at least one in the playoffs. Want him at 160 so there is no shutting down chance late next season.

    • buster09

      CF506 : + 1. Tim : I just hope the performances of Taillon and Glasnow ,or your headlines ,do NOT raise Bob Smizik’s expectations too high.

      • http://www.acme-tv.com LongJohnSilver

        I take it that the Smizik comment was made due to his article on his blog.

        For the record, I totally agree with his assessment.

        • http://www.piratesprospects.com Tim Williams

          Here’s two stat lines:

          Player A: 3.81 ERA, 6.6 K/9, 2.0 BB/9
          Player B: 3.63 ERA, 6.0 K/9, 2.9 BB/9

          A is Gerrit Cole this year in the majors. B is Justin Verlander in his rookie year.

          • deacs

            I always try and guess these and have been right maybe 1 out of 50. I guess you could call me John McDonald……hold for laughter……..I think the Manny Machados, Mike Trouts and Jose Fernandezs ruin reasonable expectations for rookies. I know we’re in a pennant race but all I want to see out of Cole is promise and progress. And ok I guess some results given we need him down the stretch.

          • http://www.acme-tv.com LongJohnSilver

            Lets compare 2 records with about equal games pitched at this point.

            Player A: 3.81 ERA 6.6 K/9, 2.0 BB/9
            Player B: 2.91 ERA 12.2 K/9 2.3 BB/9

            Player A is Gerrit Cole
            Player B is Stephen Strasburg

            • http://www.piratesprospects.com Tim Williams

              So if a guy doesn’t put up Stephen Strasburg numbers in his first 68 innings, what does that say about him?

            • buster09

              Was that before the TJ surgery or after ? Or after he figures out how to make the 1 mistake that will cost the Nats the game ? Not sure what you are trying to prove Long John,but you probably aren’t convincing many here.

              • http://www.acme-tv.com LongJohnSilver

                As is Tim not being to convincing when he put up Verlander’s numbers against Cole. One pitches in the AL with a DH while the other one doesn’t. So the comparison in my mind shows Verlander stats better overall. And frankly, I am not really trying to convince anyone of anything other then I agreed with an article that was written that someone else disagreed with.

        • Happydude1

          SALE TEH COAL!

        • buster09

          Long John : you are certainly entitiled to your opinion,but you be wrong !

  • rsborelli

    And here I thought 12 Ks in 5 IP was crazy ridiculous!………..

    • http://wkkortas.wordpress.com wkkortas

      #PlayStationnumbers

  • jg941

    Tim – one of of your top 10 headlines ever! Too funny :-)

  • Nuke Laloosh

    Glasnow’s numbers are ridiculous. These are the numbers I would have expected from Taillion and Cole. That’s what makes me nervous about both of them. They just are dominant considering their status. Are they being over touted?

    • buster09

      NL : Who exactly has ” over touted ” anyone but people such as yourself ?

      • Nuke Laloosh

        I’ve never over touted Cole and Taillion, but rankings suggest otherwise from the “experts”.

    • buster09

      NL : I am sorry,but ,,the more I read that comment,the more ridiculous it appears to me ! ” the numbers I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED ….” is the dead give away. ” ” That’s what makes me nervous about both of them.” ???? What makes you so nervous about them ? The fact that they are on track for a very successful career in MLB ? Just exactly DO you expect ?

    • http://www.piratesprospects.com Tim Williams

      I feel like if you’re expecting three strikeouts every two innings, then you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.

      The main difference here is that Cole and Taillon both have had to work through issues in the minors where they’d elevate or flatten out their fastball. Glasnow does a much better job of throwing on a downhill angle. And considering he’s 6′ 8″, his downhill angle is very steep.

      • Nuke Laloosh

        “I feel like if you’re expecting three strikeouts every two innings, then you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.”

        I may be disappointed then. A number one overall and a number two I think would be dominating the minors a bit more consistently. I am not suggesting that is would they would do in the Bigs, however, where they were drafted brings those types of expectations.

        • Cato the Elder

          “I may be disappointed then.”

          That is a shame. I hope you find happiness elsewhere.

          • Nuke Laloosh

            They are my only concerns in life. I am quite happy otherwise….LOL!

  • buster09

    Should have read : … ” Just exactly what DO you expect ? “

  • deacs

    I’m not embarassed to admit I had to google NSFW as a 35 year old. When is it safe for me to overreact to Glasnow? Altoona? I’ve been telling everyone and their mother about this kid but it’s low A so I wonder if I should temper my expectations. Tim since you love player comparisons is a Jose Fernandez comparison too much? He’s going to be a lot of fun to follow when Taillon leaves and we’re itching for another top 15 Pitching Prospect.

    • http://www.piratesprospects.com Tim Williams

      I actually don’t like player comps at all.

      Truthfully the numbers from Glasnow are amazing, but also need to be taken with the disclaimer that he’s in low-A. He’s got a plus fastball and a plus curveball. He needs some separation with his changeup, and needs to improve the consistency of his other pitches. That’s how he’s going to dominate in Double-A or higher.

      But if you want to look at where he is compared to where other pitchers have been, then the easy comparison would be Taillon. I saw Taillon in West Virginia at this age. I’ve seen Glasnow. I’d say Glasnow is ahead of Taillon at the same age and the same level. Neither had a good changeup, but Glasnow does a better job of throwing his fastball down in the zone.

      • deacs

        I was teasing you about the comps. I’m wondering if you shot the scout who called Meadows Jay Bruce a dirty look or told him to let the poor kid breathe. Does anyone come to minors with an established change up? It seems like that’s been the last step for the Pirates pitchers. Establish FB control, then your curve or slider as an out pitch and finally a change up. Is the change up the toughest pitch to…..I don’t want to use the term “perfect” but is the change up the hardest to establish as a plus offering?

        • http://www.piratesprospects.com Tim Williams

          The problem I have with comps is that people take them too far. I shared the “Jay Bruce” line on Twitter, and almost immediately I got questions like “does that mean he’s not going to be able to hit lefties?” He’s not going to be an exact replica of Bruce. It’s just that the power could be similar. That’s why I just focus on the numbers and not the player comps for specific skills.

          Most pitchers don’t come to the minors with a good changeup. That’s not true in all cases. Jason Creasy, for example, came in with a good changeup. But when you’ve got a good fastball and a good breaking ball, there’s no need for a changeup in high school.

          The most difficult thing about the changeup is throwing it with the same arm slot and the same arm speed as the fastball, but with a different speed. You want to make it look exactly like the fastball out of the hand, but with enough separation that it doesn’t come in like a slower fastball. In Glasnow’s case, he can sometimes throw the changeup in the 89-90 MPH range. That’s good if you’re Gerrit Cole and you always throw 97-99. But if you throw 93-96, then a 90 MPH changeup isn’t as effective. So he needs to find a way to slow it down while keeping the same arm movement.

  • Kevin_Young

    Just thought about the fact that this was Neal’s “Ultimatum Year” essentially, and was trying to picture what the narrative would be if the Pirates were just hovering around or below .500. With a farm system that’s this impressive I’m curious as to how many people would still want him canned? Anybody have some thoughts?

    • deacs

      I would want him back without question even if the team was .500 even. The progress he’s made with this team from the ground up is very impressive.

      • buster09

        deacs and Kevin : the way I see it the problem Neal would have had would have been with people other than those like you who pay much more attention to what is going on up and down the orginization and it’s prospects. A name like Glasnow means nothing to them,and the pressure would have been enormous for Nutting and Coonelly to do something about NH’s job.

        • deacs

          If you look at what Neal inherited and what he has now, to me it’s astonishing. I mean the Pirates were really, really bad when he took over and he had very little to work with. I think sometimes people forget that.

          • buster09

            deacs,you are preaching to the choir when you talk to me about the system when NH got the job. I have had season tix in Altoona since ‘ 99,and you could count the ” real ” prospects that came through there during that time on one hand. Not only that,I go to Bradenton every ST,and the day in ‘ 05 they brought McCutchen in for a workout he was probably as good a hitter as were on the other fields at Pirate City that morning !

          • http://www.piratesprospects.com Tim Williams

            I was waiting for James McDonald yesterday in the locker room at Pirate City, and looking at the past Minor League Player and Pitcher of the year awards. 2008 was pretty bad. The Player of the Year was Jim Negrych and the Pitcher of the Year was Jeff Sues.

            At the time they had upsides of a utility player and a relief pitcher. Negrych had questions of whether he could hit for power and Sues had control issues. And they put up the best numbers in the system that year.

            • buster09

              Tim : did you really have to remind me ?

              • deacs

                Jeff Sues……seriously? I just threw up in my mouth a little. I have a ton of names I’d like ot forget. Jimmy Anderson, Bryan Bullington, JVB. These are just pitchers. I’m sure I’m forgetting hitters. Why do you suppose the farm was so bad? Drafting college seniors? Piss poor scouting? No high upside players? I was always shocked ot think we couldn’t get at least “lucky” with a 10th rounder or something when it’s obvious not all major leaguers are first rounders.

            • buster09

              One more Pirate’s Minor League Trivia for you Tim : Sean Skrehot as the Curve’s MVP in about ’02 or ’03 ?!?

    • Kevin_Young

      I mean it really is night and day how far the organization has come and I agree with all of you that there’s no way I’d want to see Neal go. But then again, I guess we show our colors in that this discussion is taking place in a “Prospect Watch”. As Buster alluded to, it could’ve been very worrisome to hear people calling for his head even though they would know nothing of the system he’s put together.

  • Monkshot

    I’m 36 and I’m not afraid to admit that I also had to google NSFW. Buster you are dead on, a majority of people have no idea how this game works, and more importantly don’t care to. Many Pittsburghers would quickly jump to my favorite line of “if he’s any good they will just trade him because they won’t want to pay him”. When people say that, it makes me want to murder people.

    I get the disappointment/frustration with the Pirates and their losing, but it’s as if people don’t want them to win. Many Pittsburghers are already saying things like “I hope you are enjoying it, it won’t happen again.”. Talk about ridiculous.

    • deacs

      Monkshot you just described my dad. I’ve been pounding away at him for a few years now and that there’s light at the end of the tunnel. I think he’s starting to buy in…..slightly. But if I had a dollar for everytime my dad said something to the effect of “that guys a bum” I could buy the Pirates. I think a few years from now the paranoia will lessen and fans will be optomistic on a year to year basis.

      • http://www.facebook.com/bryan.graham.773 Bryan Graham

        That’s all well and good, but unfortunately the light at the end of the tunnel the last few years has been a train. The train finally appear to be leaving the tunnel.