David Price Traded to the Tigers

There were a lot of questions about whether the Rays would deal David Price today. Joel Sherman reports that they’ve decided to deal Price before the deadline.

Ken Rosenthal says that the Dodgers have been in talks for Price, and that top prospect Joc Pederson is in play. He also says that the Pirates had been discussing him as of this morning.

With the returns for Jon Lester (Yoenis Cespedes and a comp pick, with Jonny Gomes going to Oakland along with Lester) and John Lackey (Allen Craig and Joe Kelly), it would make sense for the Rays to take advantage of this market and deal Price.

UPDATE 2:06 PM: Jon Heyman says the Pirates have been talking to the Rays about Price.

UPDATE 2:11 PM: Jerry Crasnick, who has been saying that the Dodgers don’t want to deal their top prospects for Price, repeats those thoughts.

Peter Gammons also says the Dodgers aren’t back in on Price.

UPDATE 2:13 PM: Rob Biertempfel says the Pirates are in on Price, and the Tigers are pushing hard too.

UPDATE 2:29 PM: Jayson Stark says the Rays are close to trading Price.

UPDATE 3:17 PM: Bob Nightengale says that the Tigers, Mariners, and Pirates are the front-runners for Price.

He says the Yankees could be involved, but Ken Rosenthal says there’s no chance that happens.

UPDATE 3:19 PM: Rosenthal says the Pirates are working on a deal, but it’s unclear if it’s a Price deal.

UPDATE 3:32 PM: Mark Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times hears that Price could be in a three-team deal.

He guesses that it could be the Mariners and Tigers as the other teams.

UPDATE 3:36 PM: Rosenthal says that left-handed reliever Enny Romero is in play in the Rays’ trade talks.

The Pirates have been active in looking for a left-handed reliever.

UPDATE 3:42 PM: Topkin says he hears Price is the only player going in the three-team deal.

UPDATE 3:48 PM: Rosenthal says the Tigers are getting Price.

UPDATE 3:53 PM: Jon Heyman says it’s a three way deal involving the Mariners.

He also says Austin Jackson and Drew Smyly went in the deal.

That’s a lot of MLB player for MLB player trades today, rather than the usual prospect for MLB player deals.

UPDATE 3:56 PM: Bob Dutton says Jackson is going to the Mariners, and Nick Franklin is going to the Rays.

That makes more sense for the Rays.

UPDATE 3:59 PM: Heyman says Smyly is going to the Rays.

I’ll take a look at the Rays return on this when it’s all settled, and do the usual “what would this have cost the Pirates.” However, the three team deal complicates things.

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  • jaygray007

    i think all the major leaguer for major leaguer deals make sense. lots of good players with short term deals going for decent players with longer deals. I feel like the Red Sox’ deals don’t give us an idea of a bad market since they are also buying in a way.

    we still don’t have much of an idea what the prospect exchange rate is.

    • mysonisnamedafterRoberto

      You wonder if Harrison is in play for a trade. Sell high buy low thought.

      • jaygray007

        and it’d give the Rays a longer term Zobrist for when they trade Zobrist.

        makes some sense i guess.

      • http://www.stealingfirstbase.com Stealing First Base

        He’s probably in play for a trade, but I feel like he’d be more of a throw in than a focal point when we’re dealing with a player of David Price’s caliber.

        • jaygray007

          fo sho

  • leadoff

    I am not as sold on how good Price is as most, I hope the Pirates drop out of the Price race.

    • Tetrapharmakos

      I’m certainly scared of the price tag (ugh, not a pun. I repeat: Not.A.Pun) but it’s hard to argue with an 8.22 K/BB ratio and a 2.73 xFIP.

    • wkkortas

      Geez, I don’t know…he’s got a Cy Young, a 2.93 FIP this year, he’s a given for 200+ top-level innings–how much better than that is there?

  • moose7195

    Most I would offer would be Marte, Hanson, Ramirez, and Sampson/Cumpton. No part of me wants to give up Glasnow, Taillon, meadows, McGuire, or Bell

    • letsgopitt123

      Why would you trade Marte? if you make a trade for price shouldn’t you try to put your best team on the field right now? Isn’t the whole point of getting him to compete right now?

      • jaygray007

        Marte alone is more valuable than price. if price had 2 yrs of control, and bell was ready to take over for Marte, i’d consider it.

        • unfurious

          The Pirates could make a qualifying offer for Price at the end of next year, right? Couldn’t that work out like two more years of control? Expensive, but control.

          • jaygray007

            sure. he just wouldn’t accept it. but yeah that draft pick from a declined QO is probably a part of the whole Price trade calculus.

            • unfurious

              Right, so this falls under “uneducated speculation”, but the Pirates could grab him, use him next year and then make a QO over the minimum that would ward off other teams willing to give up draft picks to snatch him. Then he’d have the option of making a crap-ton of money with us in 2016 or waiting until the middle of 2016 to sign with another team. I don’t know if we have pockets deep enough or if it’s worth it but it could work.

              • Bryan Graham

                Finding a team that would be willing to part with a first round draft pick to get price wouldn’t be a problem.

                • jaygray007

                  yeah. there has been research done to show that the draft pic comps don’t really hurt the elite FAs

      • moose7195

        I’m not as high on Marte as most, I don’t see him as a 5 tool player like we originally thought. But the Rays might, losing him would hopefully save our more talented prospects from the trade. Besides Josh Harrison has been a better player this year. Let him play everyday, and lineup is still improved

      • http://www.stealingfirstbase.com Stealing First Base

        I would assume any trade involving Marte would also have to include a lesser outfielder coming back. Probably Matt Joyce from the Rays. Or maybe the team would make Harrison a full time OF. Who knows? I doubt they move Marte either way though.

    • S Brooks

      Tampa doesn’t need a major league-ready OF, they already have Myers, Kiermaier, Jennings, DeJesus and Joyce locked up. Middle infield and pitching is what they’ll want – something like Glasnow/Jones or Kingham/Hanson. Plus they always seem to round out their trades with a ton of C prospects.

      • moose7195

        Then I don’t make the deal. Let him go

        • S Brooks

          I think I would trade Kingham/Hanson, but not Glasnow/Jones. And I’d love to throw Pedro in there to get back Zobrist and maybe a relief pitcher.

  • Spa City

    The Red Sox deals are not what we normally see in deadline sell-off deals by non-contenders. Instead of dealing for prospects who may help over the next 6 to 7 years, the Sox have focused directly on 2015. It seems likely they will try to sign Lester again this Fall. They do not really need Lackey – he is a decent pitcher whom many people think is a good pitcher.
    The Rays seem more likely to deal Price for a more substantial, long-term return. For the Pirates to acquire him, my guess is the Rays would want Polanco. I cannot imagine making that trade.

    • http://www.stealingfirstbase.com Stealing First Base

      The Red Sox weren’t really expecting to be sellers. They’re still gonna have a solid core next season, so they don’t really need to sell for 6 years from now when they can fill some holes in free agency and be competitive again next year.

  • BamaBuc21

    Price is signed through 2015, so the Bucs could move him in the offseason to recover some prospects. Probably wouldn’t get as much back as we give up now, but could get something of value back for sure.

    • Bryan Graham

      Why on gods green earth would the Pirates want to trade him in the offseason? Do they not plan on being in contention next year also? He is a legitimate ace and playoff/World Series contenders don’t deal away legitimate aces. Seriously, the the teams you’re competing against have guys like Kershaw and Wainright, you need a guy that you know can go toe to toe with them, not just hope they can.

      • moose7195

        First reason is because he’s due 20 M next year. I know it’s fun to spend other people’s money, but I can’t blame NH if his reasons are salary related. And finally, we aren’t resigning him after next year. So the talent lost needs to be recovered as much as possible. Otherwise you’re left devoid of young talent and thus go back to losing almost every yeae

        • http://www.stealingfirstbase.com Stealing First Base

          The Rays will almost definitely be paying at least some of that $20M salary.

          • Tetrapharmakos

            Are you nuts? The Rays will almost certainly NOT be paying any of that $20M salary. Why do you think they are trading him in the first place.

            • http://www.stealingfirstbase.com Stealing First Base

              Because they’re not competitive this year and this is the best time to sell on Price.

              • Tetrapharmakos

                Well, that and he is do $20M next season. It’s hard to argue that money is not a consideration otherwise they’d just keep him because despite this year’s performance, I suspect the Rays think they ought to compete next year. I suppose they could take on some salary to acquire more in the way of players/prospects, but that doesn’t strike me as particularly likely given the haul that Price would command anyway.

                • http://www.stealingfirstbase.com Stealing First Base

                  I don’t think they’d just keep him. If they’re not in contention next year, they’d have to sell Price anyway, and they’d get back less than they would have if they moved him this year. They’re not in contention at all this year, and Price is definitely their biggest trade chip. They’re sellers, but who else are they realistically gonna be able to sell but Price?

                  • Tetrapharmakos

                    “…they’d have to sell Price anyway”

                    the reason that this is true is because of the $$$. If he cost $1M they wouldn’t need to sell him. As for who else they could sell: Zobrist has been mentioned a few times.

                    • http://www.stealingfirstbase.com Stealing First Base

                      Do you think the Rays would be shopping Price if they were in the lead in the AL East? Or if they were only, say, 2 games back? If they don’t move him this year, and they’re in that position next year, do you think they shop him? No. They wouldn’t. Because it’s not about the money, it’s about how competitive they are. $20M for David Price is a perfectly reasonable salary even for a small market team when you’re in the thick of the playoff race. It’s only a burden when you’re paying him $20 million and not winning.

          • moose7195

            What makes you think it wont take Taillon too. We’ve heard that it’ll take at least 3 top prospects. That’s 60 percent of the elite talent in our farm. We don’t acquire talent in the way most teams do. Our farm is our future. You eliminate a majority of that talent, and we’ll be left rather devoid in about 3-4 years

            • http://www.stealingfirstbase.com Stealing First Base

              I don’t think they pull the trigger if the deal hinges on Taillon.

        • Bryan Graham

          Sorry moose, you’re just plain wrong on this. The Pirates can afford $20M for one season, especially considering they will have a fair amount of money coming off the books. Then let’s look at next season, they should be contending next year also, what do you do then? You go try to get another ace and spend prospects. You have prospects for 2 reason, for trade chips or to help your team in the future. The Pirates have an abundance of prospects and would still have a top farm system even with trading for price, i.e. there would still be lots of talent down on the farm. Not to mention you can tender Price after next year and get a comp. pick for him to pick up another prospect. I personally don’t think they will have a true home grown ace until Glasnow makes it. All that being said, I’m not in any way suggesting that they give up a bat crap crazy return for Price which they may have to do to get him, but I wouldn’t mind seeing a deal centered around a Kingham or Bell.

          • jaygray007

            we shouldn’t really be rooting for them to have the smallest payroll possible.

            we should be rooting for fitting the most talent on the roster that they can while:
            1) keeping payroll at about $90ish million.
            and 2) not making any stupid long term moves to players who will age poorly.

            I only say that payroll can be $90ish million because that’s what signing burnett would have gotten them to. Proof that they were willing to pay the team that much. i’m not saying $90 million in a “OMG NUTTING IS CHEAP” kind of way. Just in a “Hey. this seems to be where they aim to be” way.

            my belief is that there is enough young cheap talent on the roster to pull it off and that the 2015 rotation needs upside. 2016 Taillon will be ready to go full speed.

          • moose7195

            By advocating a deal for Price, you’re probably advocating moving Glasnow. But I stand behind my other comment. You have no right to tell Nutting how to spend his money. That’s like me telling you to buy me a brand new car

            • Bryan Graham

              But I guess you do have the right to tell Nutting how to spend his money, or not spend his money? Good for you, he obviously decided to not spend his money AGAIN.

              • moose7195

                How am I personifying that. I’m not telling him to not spend money. I just know he wont

            • Mike Adamson

              Yea Bryan just go to the games and don’t have expectations…

        • Scott Kliesen

          If Pirates trade 2 or even 3 of their to prospects to acquire Price, they will have one of the top teams in MLB PLUS 4-5 top 100 prospects. How exactly do you figure they’ll go back to losing every year Moose?

          • moose7195

            Not saying immediately, but slowly they probably will. They don’t acquire talent in any other way. If you give a large portion of it up, and the rest graduate in 3 years where does the farm stand? It’s gotta be evaluated on a prospect to prospect basis. Some players are simply untouchable to me. I don’t care how good David Price is. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t give up any of our top prospects just the right ones

            • Scott Kliesen

              Moose, with all due respect you need to get past the past. This organization doesn’t resemble the Pirates of 10-20 years ago, and one trade isn’t going to change that fact.

              • moose7195

                The team on the field may not look that way, but the moves by this FO seem similar. You can’t make big market moves unless you plan on changing your philosophy the whole way. Otherwise you hurt yourself long term. Don’t forget what changed the team on the field from 10 years ago, it wasn’t trading for David Price. It was from developing from within and patience

                • Scott Kliesen

                  If you’re in it to win it, you need to think like a champion and act like a champion. When’s the last WS champion who sat on the sidelines while all their competitors were busy getting better?

                  Sad day for Pirates fans. Oh what could’ve been.

                  • moose7195

                    Overpaying for a pitcher is not the actions of a champion.

                    • Scott Kliesen

                      There are several GM’s who are putting your theory to the test today. Likely one of them will prove you wrong.

                    • Dan Muccino

                      I don’t know what you mean. Most of the big deals saw contenders give up something on the MLB roster to get something.

    • http://www.stealingfirstbase.com Stealing First Base

      I doubt they’d move him in the offseason if they traded for him. I think at the very least they would start the season with him, try to compete, and then trade him if they’re out of the race at the deadline. If not, I could definitely see them keeping him for another year.

  • Erik Masucci

    Could see the pirates dangling Neil Walker out there. Probably can’t resign him and harrison can slide to 2B everyday

  • Matt Beam

    Pedro, Hanson, Ramirez, and Sampson enough to get him? Rays are known to like getting quality and quantity… would hope the quantity and Pedro (to DH for them or play 1B/3B while Loney/Longoria are hurt/rested) could allow them to avoid dealing a top 5 prospect

    • letsgopitt123

      I would like that. Something is telling me no unfortunately. He is “close” to being traded. SHould find out soon

  • ClayDog

    I fear we’re watching the same old story play out one again. The Cards are aggressively seeking to upgrade by adding Masterson and Lackey, and who knows who else, while the Pirates are rumored to be interested in a Cubs utility infielder. I thought with a doubling in average game attendance over the past few years, ongoing league revenue sharing, and 35 years since a World Series appearance, ownership might be willing to spend a few bucks and trade a few prospects to win now. If small market teams like Oakland, Milwaukee, Detroit, and Baltimore can do it, why can’t we?

    • Tetrapharmakos

      You realize you are in the comments section of a “Pirates in on David Price trade” article, yeah?

      • ClayDog

        Yep… The Pirates also were “in on” Lester, Lackey, and others and yet our foes somehow are getting better and we are not. Rumors mean nada… Let’s see some moves.

        • Tetrapharmakos

          Then why mention: “the Pirates are rumored to be interested in a Cubs utility infielder,” in the comments section of a “Pirates are rumored to be interested David Price” article. Why not save your hot takes for actual moves?

          • http://www.stealingfirstbase.com Stealing First Base

            rekt

          • ClayDog

            And there goes Price… So much for still another rumor and article about what the Bucs might do. That was a lot of fun over the past few days. Now we have to beat improved contenders with our same old roster.

            • Tetrapharmakos

              Back to watching baseball…what a chore.

        • smurph

          Clay, you think adding Masterson and Lackey upgrades the Cardinals? I don’t. Both coming off injuries. Both well past their prime. They are looking for short-term starting pitching until their regular starters come off the DL. They have not improved their offense, which is their weakness, and neither of those 2 pitchers they got would be in the Pirates top 5 starters.

          • ClayDog

            Yes, I do, and, evidently, so, too, does the Cards excellent front office brass (who figure out a way to contend every year). Even if these two new pitchers just hold the fort down until better starters return, they are better, and Lackey might still turn in a solid playoff start or two. He was pretty darn good just 9 months ago for the Sox.

    • johnj618

      If the Cardinals want Price, they can have him. Let them butcher their farm system. They only trade him if someone overpays, so I don’t want any part of it

    • Jaynestown

      Small Market Tigers and Orioles, lol. Oakland technically is in one of the biggest Media Markets in the US in the Bay Area, they just choose to spend much less then the Giants 40 minutes down the highway

    • jaygray007

      the cards also aggressively got rid of Craig and Kelly. they might’ve taken 2 steps forward, but they did also take 1.5 steps back.

  • CityofChamps

    Apparently the Cards are still in play. Latest update says Seattle, Detroit, Cards are the finalists for Price

  • Todd Kemmerer

    Hopefully pirates are not a finalist…then I like our chances of getting him

  • https://profiles.google.com/100212786463678215436 Nathan Swartz

    We r so getting David price. My guess: Pedro, Hanson, Kingham, and tony Sanchez.

  • Scott Kliesen

    If NH lets this trade deadline pass w/out making a deal to improve this team, it will be the GM version of a TOOTBLAN of Snider/Sanchez proportions.

    • stickyweb

      No, it would be more like if Gaby and Snider hadn’t TOOTBLANed and were ready to go for the next batter. Pirates look like they have 2nd and 3rd with 1 out this season, a great opportunity for the playoffs again, maybe the division this time. Don’t eff it up by doing SOMETHING just so you can say we did SOMETHING.

      • Scott Kliesen

        They’re in a dogfight to get into the postseason, their main competitors make moves to improve, Pirates have deep talented farm system, and they sit on their hands? How exactly does this make sense?

        Fortune favors the bold. Waiting and watching is not what winning organizations do, and unfortunately NH has done this both in the last offseason and the trade deadline. Bad job NH!

  • bucsws2014

    Price to Tigers it seems according to Rosenthal.

    Assuming Rosenthal’s account hasn’t been hacked :-)

  • st1300b

    Another site has that the Bucs are offering at least Bell and Glasnow for Price…………….. If so I am not happy. Bell or Glasnow and another player I could find a way to make myself ok with things. I do not want to lose them both for Price though. Not at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    • Bryan Graham

      I could deal with just about anybody but Glasnow, I see him as a true ace in the future. It sounds like the Tigers got price though. If that’s true then it doesn’t really matter.

  • st1300b

    Steven Drew to the Yanks… that might have been another decent move.

  • st1300b

    Price to Tiger per Rosenthal

  • st1300b

    Trade doesn’t make sense to me yet. Players are underwhelming.

  • Bryan Graham

    Yippee, we got nobody. We’re contenders with no chance of winning anything meaningful. Even a solid, not spectacular bullpen piece would have been nice.

    • st1300b

      For realz.

    • CityofChamps

      It’s disappointing, but remember both of our trades were in August last year

      • Bryan Graham

        I’m sorry, but there are no “buts” for me in this. At some point you have to play some of your cards to give your team a real chance. Like I said, it didn’t have to be anything spectacular, but there is definitely room in the pen for solid help that wouldn’t cost a ton. Not only is it disappointing, it’s pathetic.

        • CityofChamps

          Everybody said that last year. We didn’t make a trade at the deadline, and Marlon Byrd ended up being a great acquisition for us in August. No reason it can’t happen again. You can’t say that we didn’t give the team a chance to win when we still could have plenty of opportunities to make trades.

          • Bryan Graham

            There’s a huge reason it won’t happen again this year, especially on the pitching front. There is no way that any good arm is going to make it through waivers. Pitching is to valuable. Maybe they can get some offensive help, but they won’t be getting any pitching help.

  • st1300b

    Wow. Smyly and Nick Franklin. What an overwhelming blah for David Price. I find it hard to believe NH couldn’t out bid that price. How about Morton and Pedro… I’d do that for Price. Geez what an underwhelming finish.

    • letsgopitt123

      Yea. How neal didn’t come up with anything is beyond me. Smyly and Franklin is a good return, I just would have expected much more. There is always next year!

      • bucsws2014

        Apparently Price did not want to come to Pittsburgh, stating he preferred to go to “a proven winner”.

  • http://www.acme-tv.com LongJohnSilver

    Well by my computer, the trade deadline is past, and like Nero we fiddled around. Of course there is the August waiver wire (with a wink and a nod by all teams), but it means that you have a shorter time frame to make up ground or to help present aliments. I know Tim and others hate to hear this, but IMO, we have a bad case of P.S.S. in our front office.

    • letsgopitt123

      Yea. We could have traded greater/comparable value to nick franklin and smyly and it would have been a minor dent in the system. Even the prospect hoarders have to be disappointed with this one.

  • st1300b

    Jeff Locke is more established than Smyly toss and Hanson/or maybe JaCoby could hit the .125 that Franklin hit in the show this year. All the talk about how expensive and then it’s like cheap. What am I missing?? Tim please pull out your super calculator and tell me how the value works out, because I just don’t see it.

  • Mike Adamson

    Look I don’t care that the Pirates didn’t trade their prospects but lets be honest here. The Pirates are a business and will never be serious about the best players. Yes they will get AJ Burnett if his salary is paid for by another team. Maybe middle guys like Byrd, Morneau, etc… The truth is we have a poor baseball owner.
    The Pirates had a chance to takeover the Central and they didn’t. Our division didn’t do much but we did nothing. Just be honest with your fans. Stop pretending that you are in on game changers.

    • jaygray007

      do you think the pirates tried to leak it out to ken rosenthal that they were trying to get price?

      “hey Ken. we REALLY wanna fool our fans.”

      no. he tweeted it because they were trying to get him.

      i could be wrong i guess. i dont know anymore.

      especially with all these fake twitter accounts and stuff.

      • Mike Adamson

        Pirate fans are the most brainwashed fans in the world. No I think the Pirates tried to get Tampa to pay $10 million and when they laughed that was the end of it. Rosenthal then assumes a team in the position of the Pirates would surely be in on Price. Which was never happening.
        Now comes the press conference saying we tried to do some crazy things but couldn’t get them done. Of course not if it’s going to cost the owner money. Don’t worry we will pick up Scheirholtz in a couple weeks for Alen Hanson to make it seem like he’s trying.

        • jaygray007

          i dunno man. i don’t think they need Schierholtz that much.

          • Mike Adamson

            GM Neal Huntington: “We felt that the right move was no move”
            Ha Ha I agree…

            • jaygray007

              The other teams wanted major leaguers in return as evidenced by the fact that they got major leaguers in return.

              i guess locke is somewhat similar to Smyly. they have nothing like nick franklin.

              • Mike Adamson

                What has Franklin done? I could argue other than being a top prospect at one time J-Hay is better. Add Hanson and I think it’s close. Throw in a Heredia or someone else and it’s easily beatable.

                • jaygray007

                  your j-hay suggestion is interesting, but then there goes your Pedro defense (and offense) insurance, your Marte concussion insurance, and some Polanco platoon insurance.

                  Value wise, it’s probably close, but the difference is that Franklin is a redundant part on that team. Harrison is pretty important to the 2014 Pirates

                  • Mike Adamson

                    Look I wouldn’t care that we didn’t land Price if he would’ve went for more. Seattle got the 2nd best piece. No reason the Pirates couldn’t of went after a Aaron Hill or someone else that could step in if needed. This team has Morel and Martinez on it. Room for improvement for sure.

                    • jaygray007

                      they’re going bye bye when Marte and Barmes are back at least.

                      and aaron hill is not nearly as valuable as Nick Franklin. more expensive, less control, not as much potential.

                      i guess they could’ve in theory acquired nick franklin (or equivalent) and spun him.

                      But i’m going to notch the lack of movement up to being a really weird deadline.

                      time for waiver deals!

                    • leowalter

                      This is late,but your stupidity is overwhelming,especially since we learn from Peter Gammons that the Pirates made a better offer to the Rays than the Tigers. Go back to you corner now.

  • Scott Kliesen

    Are you honestly telling me NH couldn’t put together a better package for Price than what Rays ended up getting?!!!!

    Epic fail NH!!!!

  • pilbobuggins

    Completly disgusted with the pirates front office, not only did they not get a solid starter but they did not do anything,period. The only good news is the cards got weaker, yes I said weaker, watch and see.

  • Nate James

    Is it just me or is this deal a steal for the tigers?

    • Mike Adamson

      Jeff Locke or Charlie Morton with Alen Hanson, and J-Hay. To me that’s close to what it took.

    • deacs

      It sure seems that way. I made a fantasy football deal like this where the other two teams in the 3 way deal were happy. No one seemed to care what I was getting. I guess this type of thing can happen in real life too. So I guess we get to face Price again? Awesome. I don’t think the Cards, Reds or Brewers exactly vaulted themselves over the top today for those furious. And our biggest move last year came post 7/31. So let’s stay patient.

    • pilbobuggins

      Really looks that way, after all the hype the rays get franklin an underachiever,smyly a decent pitcher and a ss so young he’s just out of diapers. Hard to believe the pirates could’nt have done much better than that w/ out hurting the farm.

      • letsgopitt123

        exactly.

  • CityofChamps

    I feel like the Rays could’ve gotten much more. Apparently the Pirates offered a major leaguer (likely Alvarez or Marte) and two top prospects (I’m speculating Hanson and Kingham). Much stronger package than what the Tigers gave if it’s true.

  • glassers

    There was no chance the Pirates would trade for Price but to say that I am disappointed with their wait and see approach again would be an understatement . We do in fact have one of the worst owners in baseball .

    • CityofChamps

      We all said that last year and ended up with Byrd in August. I’m a little discouraged, but it’s possible we could still make a trade

  • pilbobuggins

    Well my fellow buccos fans it looks like our mantra of ” there’s always next year” is in no danger of being replaced by “we are the champions” anytime soon. Thanks for nothing nh.

  • CityofChamps

    Still hoping for an August trade like last year.

    • glassers

      The only problem with that is we lose another 2 or 3 weeks of games . When each game is so important I am disappointed with their lack of action again .

      • CityofChamps

        True, but Byrd certainly worked out very well in 2013. But yeah, I see what you’re saying.

  • Bee Wuu

    OOOHHHH! Just missed again! When is now?

    I read just a couple of “comments”
    U R KILLING ME

    Marte, Hanson, Ramirez, and Sampson/Cumpton
    1st proposal I saw— poo-pooed.
    REPLY,was WHY Marte? They only control Price for next yr
    Ok kind of…

    Step up,& sign Price.(KEEP him) trade Cole in a few yrs. Cole wants to be a Yankee.
    They keep Price AND Cole for the next 3-4yrs. Crazy!! Gotta spend $$$ When is now?

    Then you can get prospects when they (trade Cole), prospects coming up-trade to fill needs/compensation draft pks….

    PGH PROSPECTS

    OF’s in MINORS, nobody here wants to trade.
    P’s in MINORS, nobody wants to trade.
    How does the team get better? How do they fill holes?

    IF the minor league’rs are so great…where are they going to play in 2-3yrs?
    Can’t play 2 LF’S &3RF’S
    (maybe that’s where they can put Alvarez, can play, a 2nd LF) HAHAHAHAH
    get it? His throws would be on target to 1b???…
    I give up!!

    Gotta give to get,—gotta pay to play. STEP UP TIME. When is now?
    SHOW ME
    20 +yrs. They OWE

    When is now,maybe next year????????

    • moose7195

      Cry all you want but management is going to do what they want. We can only play with the cards we’re dealt, so those prospects will have to fill the holes. And we’ll all have to be patient. Besides it sounds like the major league club would’ve had to suffer to bring in Lester or Price. Do you want to give up Polanco and create holes elsewhere?

      • Bee Wuu

        Wheres’s crying?
        More like SHOW ME!
        They can have ALL the minor league prospects…they are still minor league.
        Some will make it to the show.
        Some may be starters
        Some may be STARS.
        MOST WON’T
        SHOW ME TIME
        Pirates FO said fill the stadium , ‘WE’LL spend!
        They said,” When the team is competitive” “We’ll spend” for a winner
        WHEN??
        When is now?

        • jaygray007

          wouldn’t it be a lot more fair to criticize the lack of moves if the good pitchers were given up for prospects instead of for major leaguers that the Pirates really have no good comparisons for?

          • Bee Wuu

            UR killing me. With the great prospects the Bucs have (most on here speak about)…U can’t tell me the Bucs don’t have P, OF to trade.
            Nothing says they cant keep the player they trade for, instead of the trade being a rental.
            Look at what it took to get Price. When is now!!!?
            20+yrs….Owners said better attendance will = spending. Winning team, w/better attendance =commitment to spending. They Avg almost a ticket for everyone that lives in surrounding area,WHEN IS NOW?

            • jaygray007

              it looks like the teams didn’t want prospects. price and lester were not dealt for prospects.

              and now is now. oh wait THAT now was a second ago. it’s never now except for an infinitely small moment just as you say it. OMG THAT NOW IS GONE NOW TOO. AHHHHHHH.

              *EXISTENTIAL CRISIS*
              *DIES*

              sorry.
              obnoxious.

            • Dan Muccino

              Now is clearly NOW. Your team is legitimately in a division race, and the other teams in that race didn’t become world beaters today. In fact, they’re probably trying to catch up to us the way we’ve been playing. We may not have needed to do anything, and those prospects you so eagerly want to throw away just to say, “IT’S NOOOWWWWW” will only make this team better next year. That way, not only is this year now, but next year and the year after that, AND the year after that are also NOW.

              • Bee Wuu

                You are one of the P R Buccos. Too many “us” & “we” & a great your team in your replies
                Open Mind
                You don’t know my team. After 30 yrs, don’t be afraid to be a winner. So much great baseball history in Pittsburgh,sad. Great sports town. You have a chance. Look at Oakland. What did you say “go buy a Dodger jersey”
                Oakland/Dodgers hmmm…Bucco’s
                Good luck. Hope you win. Waste of my time,now

                • Dan Muccino

                  I’m not afraid to be a winner. I just think that there are ways to go about it, and adding something at this specific deadline was not a necessity to be a winner. It’s clearly not the only way either. They currently are winning, despite their payroll. In fact, they probably have a better winning % than the top 10 payrolls in baseball. You’re the one closing your mind to the possibility that this team, as constructed now, could compete well in this NL.

        • Dan Muccino

          I don’t know why you think they owe you a 150M payroll. Maybe if you made the donation, you’d get your way. But if you don’t want to pony up, it’s hard to blame Nutting for not. It’s his team, his decision. The GM, players, coaches, and fans have to live with it. if you want to see a team spend, spend, spend, go buy a Dodgers jersey and move to California. Moving ALL the prospects for a one time chance at the WS is a stupid idea, I’d rather be competitive for a really long time. And on top of that, you have no idea in your head about what NH offered for Price or Lester. He may have offered ALL the prospects, the other teams apparently wanted something else.

          • Bee Wuu

            You have a lot of anger. There is nothing that could be improved, for a contender?
            What are you spending?
            You aren’t one of the P R Bucco syndicate R You?
            Why so angry? I just want a winner after 35 yrs.
            Maybe next year. When is now?
            You are correct your Nutting,the players,coaches,and the fans have to accept; No help coming

            • Guest

              What do I have to be angry about, I wanted them to keep their farm intact. You’re the one who appears so mad that you can’t even write a complete sentence. Syndicate? Dude, take your adderall

              • Bee Wuu

                You are too funny
                3 or more different names
                SAD
                Wait, hold on….
                Go Bucco’s Go!
                You’re a winner
                Bucs are awesome
                Contenders, compete. Good luck.
                Hope you win.

                • Dan Muccino

                  No, just one guy with many sign on problems across several different disqus comment section. Thanks for the well wishes, maybe take a second to think of your reaction if the Pirates actually win the WS this year.

    • leowalter

      You are a real clown,aren’t you ?

  • IC Bob

    Every team competing in the NL addressed some needs in the last 48 hours except the Pirates. I guess the Pirates feel good about Morel and Martinez..

    • jaygray007

      oh come on. Morel and Martinez are gone once barmes and marte are back.

  • FrankRestly

    One nice thing, the way the Tigers pitching rotation is set up, Price pitches the day before the Pirates play them in a four game set (2 home / 2 away).

    • Dylan Bott

      They better. I’m going to the Monday night game.