We’re now less than half an hour away from the deadline for decisions on the qualifying offers, and it looks like Francisco Liriano has decided to reject his offer from the Pirates, according to Robert Murray of MLBDailyRumors.com.

Jon Morosi also adds that none of the 12 players who were issued a qualifying offer will accept.

It looks like the Pirates will be lined up for two comp picks after the first round of the 2015 draft, assuming they don’t bring back either one of Russell Martin or Francisco Liriano.

UPDATE 4:44 PM: Russell Martin has officially rejected his qualifying offer.

UPDATE 4:57 PM: Ken Rosenthal says that Liriano has declined the offer.

 

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  1. I’ve read Liriano’s agent was really perusing the market for his value. That said, I think I also read that most — if not all — of the pitchers last year who rejected their QOs ended up signing for less than them. Not sure what this year’s pitcher market brings.

    • IMO, Liriano probably will take less than 15.3, but also I would not be surprised to see him land a 3 year 36mil deal or something like that.

      • I’m not so sure the Bucs aren’t in the running for him for that amount. But it’s hard to get into Huntington’s mind for his “big picture”.

  2. It is a sad day in sports when 15.3mil is not enough for any of the 12 players. These guys are not gods, all of them are replaceable, we do have parody these days, the best are not to far away from the middle, the Giants showed the world, they could put a journeyman player in left field that is not even a left fielder and win, the A’s showed us they can bring in any top name and they still could not win, the Royals showed us that you don’t have to have a team with superstars on it, just play the game the right way with good players. It is still a team game, not a one player game, ask the Yankees, they spent nearly 1/2 billion dollars and did not have an infield, where did that get them?

  3. No allegiance, both were resuscitated by the Pirates and then walk for big GREEN pastures. I wouldn’t be surprised to see one or both of them return to their pre-Pirate performances.

    • The Pirates I do believe contribute somewhat to the success of these players, the defenses and the knowledge that the Pirates possess does mean something and it is quite possible without the Pirates that some of these guys will revert back to what they were before. Martin was rested frequently, will that be the case in his new home, if he ends up with one? Anytime Volquez or Liriano struggled the Pirates got them back on track, with that happen in there new homes, if they end up with one?

    • MLB players have shown about as much allegiance to MLB teams as teams over the years have shown to players. Rather than bemoan the reality of the market and the CBA which we cannot do anything about, we should hope the Pirates can convince a number of bounce-back pitching candidates that there is no team that can resuscitate their careers as well as the Pirates can. In fact, the argument can be made that a pitcher in that category should sign with the Pirates at a lower price than another team might offer because over a period of several years that pitcher will make more money as a result of his reviving his career with the help of the Pirates who are now rapidly developing a reputation for achieving unmatched results in those situations. The increased current market value of Liriano and Volquez are examples which the Pirates can, and I am sure will point to when trying to sign other pitchers. Lets hope they are successful in those sales pitches. Also, before someone misreads what I am saying, I am not claiming that the Pirates should only be looking to sign rehab candidates, but given the huge value they have obtained from players like Liriano, Volquez, Worley and AJB, they shouldn’t stop trying to work their magic in addition to pursuing more conventional methods of acquiring talent. BTW, given the realities of baseball today, making QOs to Martin and Liriano were smart decisions in an effort to acquire amateur talent. (Hopefully, those QOs were extended only after the Pirates made reasonable offers to both players to try to retain them on multi-year deals).

  4. Still alot left to see what happens with the market but if both Liriano and Martin do leave and we add 2 more very valuable draft picks then its time to start packaging some prospects with possibly some major league guys (Alvarez, Snider, Pimentel, Melancon come to mind) and make some major splashes…………try to trade for a couple of high quality starters or clear out the 1B situation and trade for a legit premium 1b along with a young, quality starter…………….I’m all for having a great farm system and keeping the chain moving and maintaining a winning organization for many many years to come but at some point if you keep missing out on free agency or extensions with your own then its time to stop hoarding and make some big moves…………say what you want but big moves give you a shot to win championships, yes they don’t always work, but it is absolutely worth taking the shot to have a legit shot at a couple of titles!!!

    • Honestly, at a certain point what does it matter if you have 30 really good prospects but at the current moment not one of them can help you get a title this year or next? And I know there are reasonable deals out there, just look at the Nats getting Fister last year, the Tigers getting Price at the deadline, Orioles traded for Tillman, Boston got Joe Kelly, I could go on and on and on. All of those deals were reasonable

      • If last year was any sign, the trade value of prospects have dropped considerably. . Nh tried to get price and the rays took what was considered much less value then we offered due to Detroit’s package having major league experience. If we want an elite arm it will likely have to start with marte

        • not to disagree, but you can’t use one situation and say that we won’t be able to make trades with prospects. The Rays preferred a major league package because they aren’t in complete rebuild mode. It would just be silly to use that situation and say teams no longer value prospects as much. I will agree that you need to get with a team who needs what you might have extra of (in our case bullpen, Snider, Alvarez) or a team that is completely rebuilding and knows that it is at least 3 years away………..Phillies, Padres, Rockies, Dbacks, Rangers, Astros, Twins, White Sox come to mind…………only problem there is that it might be super slim pickings to find someone we want to trade for from those teams that isn’t gonna cost the farm

          • Agree.. I just wanted price last year and he was listed above.. I also just wanted to mention that the bmtib isn’t necessarily hoarding prospects. . Last year it just seemed no one was interested in them.. each year is different though for sure..

  5. I may be in denial, but I still believe Pirates sign one of these two. Obviously Liriano is the most likely one of the two.

  6. Go get Headley, McCarthy, Morrow/other bounceback, and let Martin and Liriano walk. Get 2 picks. Sign another bounceback instead of McCarthy if that group is too expensive. Go with Stewart and Sanchez at C for the time being.

    Let Pedro and Gaby walk. Sign Kendrys Morales if he’ll take 1 yr deal at 5-8 mil. Keep Ike around in case Kendrys had more wrong with him last year than “no spring training.” Get rid of 1 when it’s clear which will be better. Find a platoon partner for Ike mid season if Kendrys sucks.

    They were willing to drop 30 on Martin + Liriano. Headley at 12 + McCarthy at 12 + bounceback guy would be right around 30.

    #hottakes

    • Time to stop “chasing” players [Headley] who used to be good. He is a nice player – but the HR power has gone and the Yankees are on him – they can afford $15-20M for a .260 hitter. Pirates got sucked into the same trap with Ike Davis – no need to repeat.

      And Morales is a DH – Ike should be sent packing too.

      With this $30M gone they can afford to see if Pedro can play first and return to 30+ HRs and pair him with Gaby – though I would love to upgrade the RH bat off the bench with someone like Scott Van Slyke.

      • I don’t want Headley at 15-20 mil per year either! i think 10-12 would be pretty neat-o. and he was good a lot more recently than Pedro.

        His 4.4 WAR in 2014, 3.6 in 2013, 7.2 in 2012, 2.3 in 2011, and 4.4 in 2010 disagree with your assessment that he only *used* to be good.

        I am aware of the shortcomings of WAR, but it is just the quickest way to do this.

        .799 career OPS away from PETCO (and 2014 Yankee Stadium as a Yankee) and great defense almost his whole career!

        I can definitely be convinced that the Pirates shouldn’t sign Headley. Just not with the argument that he “used to be” good. Because i don’t think he isn’t good currently.

        i’ll admit i was getting a little out of control with the Kendrys Morales thing. But i’d still be kiiiinda tempted.

      • I did not realize anybody still used batting average to measure production. How quaint. Headley, however, was a 4.4 WAR player last year (largely due to fantastic defense and a high rate of drawing walks), and his STEAMER projection is to match that production next year. Anybody who can sign Headley for $15 million per year is getting a steep discount.

        If the Bucs could sign Headley to a 4 year contract for $60 million, they would be crazy not to do so.

    • Time to stop “chasing” players [Headley] who used to be good. He is a nice player – but the HR power has gone and the Yankees are on him – they can afford $15-20M for a .260 hitter. Pirates got sucked into the same trap with Ike Davis – no need to repeat.

      And Morales is a DH – Ike should be sent packing too.

      With this $30M gone they can afford to see if Pedro can play first and return to 30+ HRs and pair him with Gaby – though I would love to upgrade the RH bat off the bench with someone like Scott Van Slyke.

    • Umm Pedro is under contract for next year so we won’t let him walk. He might leave via trade, which I hope doesn’t happen yet. Because his value is low at the moment. Have to hope he hits better next year and plays a decent 1B to get anything of value out of Pedro if he’s traded. Of Course, if he’s hitting and carrying the Bucs along with Cutch and we’re in the pennant chase, then it’s going to be hard to trade him….and..we’ll probably watch him walk.

      • If Lambo plays like he did after his Sept. callup — and injects some power in the bat along with it — I think at least the LH of the 1B platoon is solved (I don’t expect Pedro to master LHs at this point). I don’t know what to do with the RH part. I’d like to see Ike traded. You’re right about Pedro, but I think he needs to be trade bait… even if he starts hitting this coming season.

        • Issue is….if he’s hitting and we’re in the playoff contention or leading the division. Fans would have FC/NH head if they traded him while in the playoff hunt. Not unheard of…..say Oakland A’s trading Cespades though that trade didn’t fare that well for the A’s altogether i think.

          • True, that. But, I think as you alluded — if he doesn’t rebound, Pedro is worthless… and if he does, he’s a huge asset. That said, I think his price inflates beyond what the Pirates can pay. That said, his market value is different as a 1B instead of a 3B (I just can’t help but think his days at 3B are over). That said, if he’s a 30-HR hitter, it doesn’t matter what position he plays necessarily for market value. He’ll be 28 or 29, so he’ll also have more long-term value. Much less cut-and-dry than Martin… but if he turns out good, and Lambo does also, I think the Bucs see what value they get for Pedro next season and deal him… regardless of what the fanbase thinks. Fans have not been right on a lot of things (including me… I was wondering what the heck Huntington was doing taking worthless Volquez and Worley off the scrap heap at the same time).

      • the team needs to do what it takes to win the division next year. That means getting a 1st baseman they can rely on. Theres no longer time to wait for players that have had their chance to “get it” Pedro had numerous chances, he didn’t come through. If he does somewhere else so be it. Who cares if his TV is low ? Is it worth undermining a season to get better trade value ? It shouldn’t be.

    • Umm Pedro is under contract for next year so we won’t let him walk. He might leave via trade, which I hope doesn’t happen yet. Because his value is low at the moment. Have to hope he hits better next year and plays a decent 1B to get anything of value out of Pedro if he’s traded. Of Course, if he’s hitting and carrying the Bucs along with Cutch and we’re in the pennant chase, then it’s going to be hard to trade him….and..we’ll probably watch him walk.

    • Bucs would be bidding against the Yankees, who definitely want Headley back next year. So that’s simply not happening.

      Why am I all of a sudden getting concerned the Bucs will be back to sub-.500 if the FO follows its MO again.

      Neal is going to have to pull some Mike Rizzo magic, IMO. Find this year’s Fister and the GM who’s simply in love with Joely Rodriguez or whomever.

      • I don’t think you should be that pessimistic. They have holes, but they have money to play with. sure, if they lose Liriano, Volquez and Martin and do absolutely nothing to replace them, then sure. they’re probably a below .500 team. And i’ll be protesting on federal street with everybody else if they do nothing to replace anybody.

        But every time they’ve had a hole in the past few years, they’ve fixed it.. or at least never let there be multiple bad holes. This year should be the same.

      • Your concerned for the same reason I am. That the Pirates will continue to use the Band-Aid approach instead of going out and spending the money to get real help. Yes the reclamation projects worked. But it didn’t get them a division title and this year didn’t get them out of the WC game. At some point you have to pay for more wins. That means getting better pitchers and a legit 1st baseman. Cole and a bunch of 4,5 and spot starters aren’t going to get it done.

      • This season does have a feel that a couple of quality acquisitions need to be made in order to keep winning.. it’ll be interesting to see what gets done.. imo, if this offseason is similar to last then I think people have a legitimate gripe.. I didn’t feel that there was a huge need to add talent last year

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