Prospect Watch: Glasnow Has His Most Dominant Outing in Double-A

TOP OF THE SYSTEM

A look at how the current top 30 prospects did today.  Note that this list doesn’t include players currently in the majors. If a player is in the majors, he will be removed, everyone below him will be shifted up a spot, and a new player will be added to the bottom of the list. If a player is out for the season, he will be removed and everyone below him will move up a spot. Removing these guys doesn’t mean they have lost prospect status. It is just an attempt to get 30 active prospects on the list. Rankings are from early season update, and links on each name go to their Pirates Prospects player pages.

1. Tyler Glasnow, RHP, Altoona – 7.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 9 K, 0 HR

2. Jameson Taillon, RHP, Indianapolis – Disabled List

3. Austin Meadows, CF, Bradenton – 3-for-7, R

4. Josh Bell, 1B, Altoona – 2-for-4, R, 2 RBI

5. Reese McGuire, C, Bradenton – 1-for-6, 2 K

6. Nick Kingham, RHP, Indianapolis – Disabled List

7. Alen Hanson, 2B, Indianapolis – 0-for-3, R, BB

8. Cole Tucker, SS, West Virginia – 0-for-3, BB

9. Elias Diaz, C, Indianapolis – DNP

10. Mitch Keller, RHP, Bristol – DNP

11. Harold Ramirez, OF, Bradenton – Pan-Am Tournament

12. Stephen Tarpley, LHP, West Virginia – DNP

13. JaCoby Jones, SS, Bradenton – 1-for-7, 2B, 4 K

14. Adrian Sampson, RHP, Indianapolis -DNP

15. Trey Supak, RHP, Bristol – DNP

16. Gage Hinsz, RHP, Bristol – DNP

17. Barrett Barnes, OF, Bradenton – 1-for-4, 2B, 2 BB

18. Clay Holmes, RHP, Bradenton – 5.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 4 K, 0 HR

19. Cody Dickson, LHP, Bradenton – DNP

20. Willy Garcia, OF, Indianapolis – 1-for-4, R, RBI, K

21. John Holdzkom, RHP, Indianapolis – Disabled List

22. Jordan Luplow, 3B, West Virginia – 1-for-4, K

23. Connor Joe, 1B, West Virginia – 0-for-4, K

24. Wyatt Mathisen, 3B, Bradenton – DNP

25. Casey Sadler, RHP, Indianapolis – Disabled List

26. Steven Brault, LHP, Altoona  – DNP

27. Tito Polo, OF, West Virginia – Pan-Am Tournament

28. Tyler Eppler, RHP, Bradenton – DNP

29Luis Heredia, RHP, Bradenton – DNP

30. Taylor Gushue, C, West Virginia – 0-for-3, K

DAILY SUMMARY

Top Pitcher: Tyler Glasnow, RHP – 7.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 9 K, 0 HR

Top Hitter: Max Moroff, 2B – 2-for-4, 2B, 3B, 2 R

Home Runs: Jose Ozuna (4), Justin Maffei (1)

AAA: INDIANAPOLIS INDIANS    

Box Score

Result: Indianapolis 7, Toledo 2

Starting Pitcher: Chris Volstad, RHP – 5.2 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 3 K, 0 HR

Top Hitter: Jaff Decker, LF – 3-for-4, 2B, R, 2 RBI, BB

Other Notable Performers:

Gift Ngoepe, SS – 2-for-4, R

Tony Sanchez, C – 2-for-3, 2B, R, 2 RBI

Game Notes: After getting just one hit in his last 18 at bats before the break, Jaff Decker picked up three hits for Indianapolis, including his ninth double of the season. He also drove in a pair of runs in the contest. Decker has been the one Indianapolis outfielder that has not had an opportunity in Pittsburgh this season.

After going seven innings in back to back starts, Chris Volstad was only able to go 3.2 in one of his last two starts before the break. However, the rest did the right-hander good, as he came back strong for Indianapolis. Bobby LaFromboise had a nine-game scoreless streak broken in his final outing before the break. He started a new one, with a big out on Thursday night. Yhonathan Barrios rebounded nicely after allowing three runs in his last two innings, before working a pair of scoreless innings.

 

AA: ALTOONA CURVE

Box Score

Result: Altoona 5, Richmond 0

Starting Pitcher: Tyler Glasnow, RHP – 7.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 9 K, 0 HR

Top Hitter: Jose Ozuna, LF – 2-for-4, HR, R, 2 RBI

Other Notable Performers:

Josh Bell, 1B – 2-for-4, R, 2 RBI

Max Moroff, 2B – 2-for-4, 2B, 3B, 2 R

Mel Rojas, Jr., CF – 1-for-4, RBI, 2B

Game Notes: Tyler Glasnow continued his dominant run as the opposing hitters had no chance on Thursday night. Glasnow fanned a season-high nine batters, while working seven scoreless frames. He has allowed just four hits in his last 13 innings over two starts, reaching an even new elite level of dominance. Jhondaniel Medina and Brett McKinney each worked a perfect inning of relief. McKinney struck out a pair of hitters in his frame.

Fresh off his performance with a home run in the futures game, Josh Bell did not miss a beat. Bell added two hits in his first game in the second half of the campaign. Max Moroff picked up a double and a triple in the contest, as he continued his hot stretch. Moroff has eight hits in his last five games.

 

A+: BRADENTON MARAUDERS   

Box Score

Result: Bradenton 2, Lakeland 1

Starting Pitcher: Clay Holmes, RHP – 5.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 4 K, 0 HR

Top Hitter: Austin Meadows, CF – 3-for-7, R

Other Notable Performers:

Justin Maffei, RF – 2-for-6, HR, R, RBI, BB

JaCoby Jones – 1-for-7, 2B, 4 K

Barrett Barnes, LF – 1-for-4, 2B, 2 BB

Game Notes:  For the second straight start in Bradenton, Clay Holmes worked five strong innings in his return from Tommy John surgery. Holmes struck out four hitters, with just a run on four hits. In his last 15 innings (GCL included), Holmes has allowed just nine hits and two walks, averaging under a single baserunner per inning.

Each hitter got plenty of at bats, as the game lasted 16 innings. In that, Austin Meadows paced the way with three hits and the game winning run. JaCoby Jones picked up his 16th double of the season, but also struck out four times in the contest. Barrett Barnes added his 14th double, while Justin Maffei contributed his first home run of the season.

Issac Sanchez and Montana DuRapau each worked two scoreless innings, while Junior Lopez worked three. Felipe Gonzalez went the final four innings, picking up six strikeouts.

 

A: WEST VIRGINIA POWER

Box Score

Result: Hagerstown 5, West Virginia 0

Starting Pitcher: Colten Brewer, RHP – 6.0 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 4 K, 0 HR

Top Hitter: Michael Suchy, RF – 2-for-4, RBI

Other Notable Performers:

Jordan Luplow, DH – 1-for-4

Cole Tucker, SS – 0-for-3, BB

Game Notes: Though he is hitting .290 for the season, Cole Tucker continued a mini slump. In his last three games, Tucker has one hit in his last nine at bats. With the consistency that he has played with in the last two months, that has been a rarity. For the game, West Virginia was only able to muster four hits, two of which belonged to Michael Suchy.

With marginal success this season, Colten Brewer saw one of his better starts, as he worked six innings for the first time in his last four starts. Jared Lakind worked a scoreless inning, despite allowing two hits. Dovydas Neverauskas worked two scoreless innings with a hit and a strikeout.

 

A: WEST VIRGINIA BLACK BEARS

Box Score

Result: State College 3, West Virginia 1

Starting Pitcher: Bret Helton, RHP – 5.0 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 K, 0 HR

Top Hitter: Kevin Newman, SS- 2-for-4, 2B

Other Notable Performers:

Ty Moore, LF – 1-for-4, 2B

Casey Hughston, CF – 1-for-3, 3B

Game Notes: No offense and poor defense is normally not a formula for success in baseball or any sport for that matter. That is what the Black Bears provided Thursday night at Monongalia County Ballpark, falling by a score of 3-1 to the State College Spikes. West Virginia, now 10-15 on the season, continues to struggle mightily at the plate. Eight of the starting nine were 2015 draft picks and they combined for only six hits.

Trailing 3-0, the Bears mustered a rally in the bottom of the eighth, when Kevin Kramer singled with one out and Kevin Newman followed with a line shot off an inside fastball that one-hopped the left field wall, placing runners on second and third with one out. Logan Hill followed with a hard ground ball to the shortstop’s left. The shortstop gloved the ball and threw to third to cut down Newman who had inexplicably broken for third (Kramer scored on the play). This was a poor base-running decision on Newman’s part as he has to read the ball through the infield; especially with his team trailing. It also potentially cost the Bears their second run as the next batter reached on a fielding error.  However, as too often has been the story this year, it was too little again and too late.

After the game, Manager Wyatt Toregas lamented the fact that the Bears “are just one big hit or one big pitch away.”

The defense was also suspect on multiple occasions. With a runner on second and one out in the second inning, shortstop Kevin Newman charged a bouncing ball, but threw high and wide to first allowing the runner on second to score for the first run of the game.

In the third, with runners at first and second, and nobody out, the Bears failed to turn a potential 6-4-3 double play with second baseman, Kevin Kramer, throwing high to first.  This cost the Bears a run as the next batter flied out to center field, allowing the runner on third to tag and score on what could have been the third out of the inning. This is a case where there was no error on the previous play as you can not assume the double play, but the play should have been made and it cost the West Virginia squad another run.

Casey Hughston had a rough night defensively in center field as he misplayed three different balls.  Twice he took bad angles on hits that allowed the Spikes to advance an extra base.  He also got turned around on a fly ball to deep center, that dropped for a double.  It was not a routine play, but a play that probably should have been made. A runner also tagged on him going from second to third on a fly ball that was medium depth in straight away center.

First baseman Albert Baur had a hard one-hopper go off his glove. Thus, Tom Emanski won’t be making defensive videos from tonight’s game any time soon.

Starting pitcher, Bret Helton threw well. His fastball touched as high as 93 and his cutter was effective.  His control was good as he only walked one batter, and was charged with a HBP. He only should have given up one run though he was charged with three. The defensive miscues cost him.

“I had a good day locating my fastball in and out. I felt good,” Helton explained. “My fastball command showed the most improvement.”

Helton, who throws more of a cutter than a slider, felt that this pitch was also sharp for him.

An American League scout commented on Helton, saying “his fastball was good, but he needs to develop a secondary pitch.” A National League scout came away unimpressed as he felt that Helton “was the same as the last time; good early on, but then he was fighting himself.” Coach Wyatt Toregas summed up his outing by labeling it, “OK,” and “so-so.”

I thought his fastball had good life, his slider was strong and he had good control. There were quite a few positives in his outing.  With any defense at all behind him, he would have only allowed one run.

Edgar Santana again threw well. He throws a heavy fastball and pitched three scoreless innings in relief.

Newman had a good night at the plate, going 2-for-4. Casey Hughston continues to try to rebound from his awful start as he went 1-for-3 with a triple. Ty Moore doubled to deep right-center, but that was really the extent of the offensive production.  The last time the Bears had seen the Spikes starting pitcher at State College, they lit him up.  However, the Bears were unable to do anything against him tonight. Several players attributed their struggles tonight to his ability to “keep them off-balance.”

While the mood of the team and staff continues to be positive and upbeat, there appears to be many issues with this team as far as performance. Until they start hitting much better collectively and eliminating the mistakes, both mental and physical, they are going to continue to struggle. – Jamey Conlin

 

RK: BRISTOL PIRATES

Game One Box Score

Result: Bristol 4, Bluefield 3

Starting Pitcher: Scooter Hightower, RHP – 3.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 6 K, 0 HR

Top Hitter: Julio De La Cruz, 3B – 2-for-3, 2 2B, BB, R, RBI

Other Notable Performers:

Edgar Figueroa – 1-for-4, 2B, RBI

Logan Ratledge, SS – 2-for-3, RBI

Game Notes: After striking out eight hitters in his last three starts combined, Scooter Hightower stepped up in a big way on Thursday night, fanning a season high six batters. Hightower also allowed just one hit and baserunner over three scoreless innings of work, lowering his season ERA to 1.35.

Jess Amedee continued his struggles this year, as he allowed three runs on three hits over a pair of innings. Tanner Anderson worked three shutout inning to polish off the rain shortened game, allowing just one hit and striking out four.

Julio De La Cruz picked up a pair of doubles, his fourth and fifth of the season. De La Cruz has eight hits and four doubles in his past five games.

Game Two Box Score

Result: Bluefield 7, Bristol 0

Starting Pitcher: Billy Roth, RHP – 5.0 IP, 7 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 3 K, 0 HR

Top Hitter: Erik Lunde, DH – 1-for-3, 2B

Other Notable Performers:

Jose Salazar, 3B – 1-for-2, BB

Game Notes: After claiming the first game of the double-header, Bristol really struggled offensively in the second contest. As a team, they were only able to muster two hits, with one being the third double of the season for Erik Lunde.

Billy Roth spread seven hits over five innings, while allowing two runs and striking out three. This was a rebound performance, as Roth was only able to go three innings last time out. Shane Kemp really struggled in relief of Roth, allowing one hit, three walks, and four runs without recording an out. Mervin Del Rosario worked two innings, striking out a pair. He allowed a run, on a hit, and a walk in the outing.

 

RK: GCL PIRATES

The GCL Pirates were rained out on Thursday. They will make the game up as part of a doubleheader on July 31st.

 

RK: DSL PIRATES

Box Score

Result: Red Sox 5, Pirates 2

Starting Pitcher: Ronny Agustin, RHP – 4.0 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 3 K, 0 HR

Top Hitter:  William Calderon, 2B – 1-for-2, BB, R

Other Notable Performers:

Huascar Fuentes, DH – 1-for-3, 2B, HBP

Melvin Jimenez, SS – 1-for-4, RBI

Game Notes: The Pirates lost 5-2 to the Red Sox2 on Thursday, as they had trouble getting men on base. They had three hits and two walks in the game, posting both runs in the sixth inning with some help from the opposing defense. Melvin Jimenez had the only RBI, while William Calderon and Ramy Perez scored the runs. The double by Huascar Fuentes was their only extra-base hit.

Starter Ronny Agustin allowed four runs (two earned) over four innings and didn’t get much help from the defense, which made four errors behind him. Agustin got his first start after eight appearances in long relief. Coming into the game, he had a 5.03 ERA and 1.53 WHIP in 19.2 innings, though he also had 19 strikeouts. – John Dreker

  • A team has a hard time overcoming pic #1 drafting mistakes. Names like Tony Sanchez and Pedro come to mind and Walker is headed in that direction as well. At least Walker made himself into an excellent 2nd. baseman. Walker was drafted by Littlefield and his staff, the other two I would guess that it was Neal Huntington and his staff. I remember when Barrett Barnes was drafted out of Texas Tech and I had high hope for him and now he is floundering. Despite some flops they still have a highly rated minor league system.

    • You need to get up to speed before calling Alvarez a ” mistake “. Check out the rest of that first round and see how successful or not the others were.

  • Ryan, what is the ceiling/floor comparison between Max Moroff and Alen Hanson?

  • I like the Tom Emanski reference.

  • Sure, Glasnow was good, but what about MONTANA!!!!! Two more scoreless innings!!!!!

  • I will wrote exactly what I did in the Keith Law post last night: Just how good is Tyler Glasnow? Well consider this: in his 330+IP in his minor league career he’s amassed 430+K’s, a .163 BAA, and a 1.02 WHIP. Now, he certainly was not as advanced of an arm as Gerrit Cole, but consider Cole’s numbers for a comparison: 222 IP, 199 K’s, a .220 BAA, and a 1.15 WHIP and he is, now, a top 5 pitcher in the NL. During his minor league career Felix Hernandez threw 302 innings…walked 122 (Glasnow has walked 150), struck out 363, and held opponents to a .221 BAA and a 1.20 WHIP. Clayton Kershaw threw 230 innings and had 291 K’s…a .196 BAA, and a 1.12 WHIP. The last pitcher to have numbers comparable to Glasnow in the minors was, who? Stephen Strasburg who only threw 100 total minor league innings and still had a higher BAA? In the high minor leagues right now (AA and AAA) there are THREE (3) total pitchers with the number of innings to qualify who have a lower WHIP than Tyler’s 0.88 in Altoona. Even the great Aaron Nola has a career .236 BAA and a 1.02 WHIP and he’s the best pitching prospect in the game. Tyler Glasnow’s numbers are video game absurd…and he’s replicated them again…over and over and over.

    • aarrrgghhh….a wall of words. Make it go away, mommy. 🙂

      Good info, but next time, paragraphs, pls. 🙂 🙂

    • I won’t disagree with much of that Jared. However, Julio Urias and Lucas Giolito might disagree with that Aaron Nola evaluation.

      • Aaron Nola is only, really, a 3rd starter type pitcher. Better than Nick Kingham, but still really not an ace type starter. He did have a HELL of a minor league career though, putting up really, really good numbers throughout. Is he more talented than Giolito or Urias? No. Was he out performing them? Yes…as is Glasnow.
        (That comment was also more of a joke on Philly…Nola is talked about like that by Philly friends of mine).

    • Aaron Nola?!?!

      • (it was more of a joke directed at Philly, NMR…but it did fit because Nola has been pretty damn good haha). I could use others…Lucas Giolito? Yeah, compare his numbers to Glasnow’s…a year younger, a level lower…and, what, the #2 prospect in baseball? Glasnow’s numbers are better.

        • That’s just not how you analyze prospects, Jared. Love your enthusiasm here, and please don’t let me rain on your parade, but no.

          • No, you evaluate them based on their tools. I understand that. I am talking about results. You cannot argue that Tyler Glasnow’s results are, perhaps, the best results possible from a pitching prospect.

            Tyler Glasnow has received a 60 grade previously overall as a pitching prospect, mostly because of his 40 command grade. What if that command grade goes up to 50?

            You’re worried about his command and his 3rd pitch. I look at Gerrit Cole and see a pitcher who grew into what he’s become through MLB experience. Gerrit did not have as much success with his secondary pitches when he first came up and is, still, predominantly a fastball pitcher…throwing his fastball almost 70% of the time. I look at his plus-fastball and plus-curve and see a kid who gets amazing results and will, eventually, grow into his delivery even more than he already has this year and develop his changeup more in the majors and become a devastating Ace type pitcher.

            • When Cole first came up he a lot of success with his slider.

              I’m not so sure that you are being provocative as commenting with blinders on, top pitching prospects fail more often than they succeed. Glasnow’s ceiling is easy to dream on, but prospect lists are littered with hard throwing pitchers with tons of upside who didn’t make it.

              It is hard to turn the order over with two pitches, and developing command isn’t a linear path.

              • And when Kershaw first came up he is 95% FB/CU, just like Glasnow. Regardless, yes, Glasnow’s ceiling is easy to dream on…and his results are there. The mantra of “prospect failure” and pitcher attrition rates will always be true more than its not…but this kid has put up the results each step of the way. Some questioned whether he’d be able to hold his own in AA since the hitters are more advanced, yet he’s arguably performing better than he had previously in A ball. The kid is the #7 prospect in baseball and puts up results more like the top pitching prospect in baseball.

                Yes, he will need a 3rd pitch. But not all of his development has to come before he is in the big leagues. (And, no, for the record, I do not think he should be in the majors right now). The attrition rates for pitchers, especially due to injury, is quite high…I think that it would be hard(er) to find a pitcher who has put up the results of Glasnow that hasn’t gone on to success (again, injury notwithstanding).

                • But again, we’re not objecting over “success”. I absolutely think Glasnow will be successful.

                  We’re objecting over the thought that we should *expect* him to be one of the very few best pitchers on planet earth. Exponential levels of difficulty from one to the other.

              • Go watch him yourself and then get back to me Andrew.

          • Let me try:
            70 FB
            65 CU
            45 CH
            50 Command
            65 Overall Grade…that would be the same overall grade as Giolito, no?

    • Fernadez hit the majors as a 19yr old. Your picking stats in the minors when he was 16. He is the same age as Glasnow right now. I love Glasnow but I would never proclaim him as the greatest minor league pitcher in history

      • Well, I am not quite sure all of that is accurate. He made his debut in April 2013 and was 20 years old. He pitched in A-Ball during his 19 year old season and then made the straight jump from A-ball to the big leagues (which is extremely impressive). Glasgow was 19 and 20 in A-ball.

  • A couple observations from the Altoona game last night. The Altoona team looks like a good team. They reminded me of the MLB Pirates the way they carried themselves. Maybe it’s just the confidence of playing behind Glasnow but they looked good. Confident might be the right word. Glasnow was certainly dominant but his velocity dropped as the game went along. He sat 95-96 in the fist third of the game but in the 6-7th he consistently was low 90’s. 91-92 with an occasional 94. Velocity isn’t everything but it was more of a drop than I expected. He certainly made the Richmond team look overpowered.

    Josh Bell is a big man. He looks like he is a 25 HR guy. The thing that impressed me was the glove. He had a nice play late in the game on a hot shot down the line that I thought would get bye him. He does look a little rough at 1B. On a high pop up in the infield the second baseman made the catch a couple steps away from the first base bag.

    It will be interesting to see how some of this group progresses.

  • Golden sombrero for Jones tonight… 14K, 0BB in his last 10 games… 27% K/PA this season… 3rd in FL St League and 5th in all of A+ with 104K… 132K last season… Drafted in 2013 while leading LSU in K’s that year… 2012/2011 had 2nd most K’s… Ummm what should we make of this?

    • The Pirates drated Jones because he could play IF and OF, had great speed for his size and was an excellent athlete – all good things on which to build.

      Overall the 2013 draft has proven to be well above average, and possibly excellent. Two years later we have MLB prospects in Meadows, McGuire, LHSP Cody Dickson, and RHSP Chad Kuhl. Blake Taylor was traded to get Byrd for the 2013 run for the Wild Card, Shane Carle was traded this year, as was Buddy Borden (Sean Rodriguez). And that still leaves Adam Frazier and Eric Weiss who are maybe’s.

      • emjay, Taylor was traded to get Ike Davis. It is confusing with all of the deals with the Mets.

      • Really early to say it was an above average draft. We should at least wait and see what happens when Meadows/McGuire make it out of high-A.

    • Scouts didn’t like the swing when he was drafted, and the Pirates haven’t done much to fix it. Jones will always be a high-K player, but he may just happen to be on of the few who can make it work. Probably not in a starting role, but he’ll be a big leaguer.

  • Looks more and more like glasnow is the odds on fav to take aj’s spot at some point next year, barring off season signings or in season trades of course.

    • Lots of talk lately about trying to find another SP. This is Glasnow’s age 22 season which means he is not too young to think of him being at AAA shortly and possibly ready if an emergency occurs, or just to get him in the clubhouse at some time in September. Obviously, the kid has electric stuff, and came into this year with 57 starts over 3 levels of minor league ball in 3 years with ERA’s of 2.10 (GCL), 2.18 (LoA), 1.74 (HiA), and now even better in 100 innings at AA. Have we ever had a pitcher this ready?

      • Is he the next Jacob degrom?

        • Really odd comparison. I would hope he could be even better. The numbers indicate a truly special pitcher.

          • Better than Jacob DeGrom?! The guy who has *only* thrown 217 innings with a 2.28 ERA/2.34 FIP/2.87 xFIP over his last 30 starts?

            Come on, man…

            I’m guessing Brian used him as a comparison because he’s incredibly freaking good.

            • Well, I more thought it was odd because deGrom is older, 27, didn’t pitch nearly as well in the minors, and isn’t exactly the size of Glasnow either. Yes, yes, yes…he’s really freaking good…but his numbers pale heavily in comparison to what Glasnow has done now for three straight years and at a younger age. I really want to find a pitcher who has done what Tyler has, at the age he is/was for as long as he has. NMR, my friend, Glasnow has a 1.02 career WHIP…a .163 career BAA…and when healthy in AA this year he’s been BETTER than those numbers.

            • He has performed much better in MiLB than DeGrom did.

              • Come on, leo. Everyone agrees DeGrom took a major step forward in NY, and regardless, he’s almost a 7-win pitcher over 250 IP. There aren’t ten men in the world right now better than him.

                That’s an extremely, extremely high bar for any prospect let alone one with spotty command (at best) and a below average third pitch.

                I love Glasnow – kid is gonna be a stud – but we’re setting ourselves up for disappointment here if Jacob DeGrom is the bar.

                • I completely disagree, NMR (which is unusual because I almost always agree with you). Whether DeGrom took a major step forward in NY or not…his 58 minor league starts were pedestrian compared to other “top prospects” and he’s doing everything he’s doing (which is, as you said, pretty freaking good) at age 26 and 27. There is no doubt, none, that DeGrom is a hell of a pitcher. But Glasnow is, right now, the best pitching prospect maybe in history from a sheer statistical perspective.

                  You’re talking about a kid with Glasnow that has 330 innings of 1.99 ERA, .163 BAA, and 1.02 WHIP baseball with 1.30 strike outs per inning…or a career 11.8/K9. BETTER yet, if you trust that he’s figured out his command better, which his AAA numbers would indicate you’re looking at a guy who will put up absurd numbers. IF he put up his AA control numbers throughout his whole career, just to add some perspective, he would have given up only 83 BB instead of 150….that would mean he’d be in line for a 0.82 career WHIP.

                  And you want to temper expectations for THAT guy?! I mean 3rd pitch aside and improving control not withstanding…Tyler Glasnow has dominated three levels in a row. Domination isn’t even the right word. His FIP has fallen from 3.47 (2013) to 2.63 (2014) to 2.10 (2015) ALL because of his improving control (what else do you expect from a kid who is 6’8 and not fully in-tune with his massive length?).

                  • Glasnow is certainly a great pitching prospect – but let’s not get too carried away. He is definitely not “the best pitching prospect maybe in history”. For a few examples:

                    – Kershaw was as good as Glasnow in AA at a younger age. Got promoted quickly – probably too quickly since he had major control issues his first couple of MLB seasons
                    – Dwight Gooden, at the age of 18, went 19-4 in High A ball and struck out 300 batters. His WHIP wasn’t quite as good as Glasnow’s, due to poorer control, but he struck out over 14 batters per 9 innings. Had about the same batting average against – and two years younger than Glasnow at the same level.
                    – Jose Fernandez had slightly better numbers at full season A and High A at a younger age.
                    – Zach Greinke at the age of 19 had the following numbers in High A: 11-1 record, 1.14 ERA, .178 ERA, 78:13 K:BB. Greinke got promoted right to the majors the next year but didn’t become a dominant MLB pitcher for a number of years.

                    The above all turned into great MLB pitchers – which is a good sign. However there have also been pitchers who put up great minor league stats and did not become great MLB pitchers. Best not to rush him.

                    BTW, Matt Boyd put up better numbers in the Eastern League this year than Glasnow.. He is a bit older however and recently got promoted to AAA. Blake Snell has put up similar numbers to Glasnow in the AA Southern League, which is a tougher league for pitchers.

                    • Ken, I am glad I was able to say something provocative. Maybe I should have said “recent history”…and certainly would still be up for debate. Interestingly enough you just countered with a Hall of Famer, a future Hall of Famer, and Jose Fernandez! Interestingly enough when you look at Kershaw’s AA numbers, in 61 IP in 2008 he had 59 K’s, 19 BB, a .179 BAA, and a 0.95 WHIP…Glasnow’s numbers are still better…although Kershaw was still younger.

                      Kershaw didn’t really start using a slider until 2010, two years after he first arrived in MLB. Up to that point Kershaw had a similar FB/CU pitch sequence as Glasnow. I think we would take Clayton Kershaw, right? I think 2008 Kershaw numbers are EXACTLY what you’d get if Glasnow was promoted right now, which won’t happen.

                      I only meant to be provocative with the statement you quote, which obviously worked. Regardless, the comparable are incredible: a hall of fame, a future hall of fame, and one of the best young pitchers in baseball?

                  • The best pitching prospect in History? you are setting yourself up for major disappointment here. There are lots of pitchers who have put up huge numbers in the minors. some never to heard from again. There are some pitchers like Fernandez who jumped straight to the majors after their single A season because they were so freaking good. Glasnow has a shot to be a great but to move him to the front of the class is a little much.

                    • Again, trying to be provocative. However, I was also talking about his results, which still are as good as they get.

                    • Provocative would be saying that Pedro looks good in a Speedo. 😉

                    • LOL! Well, I have never seen that (nor do I wish to) nor do I imagine that to have any semblance of truth. Haha.

                    • Name the ” some pitchers ” who have put up the numbers Glasnow has were never heard from again ? Injuries aside.

                • One more point…DeGrom is 27 and is a stud…he has 39 MLB starts with a .218 BAA, 1.04 WHIP, and 256 K’s in 254 IP. That’s other-worldly impressive, for sure. IF you don’t think that by the time Tyler Glasnow is 27, 5 years from now, he’ll have the ability to match those numbers? You’re simply seeing something much different than I am.

                  • Love ya, buddy, and like I said below, please don’t let me knock you down here, but there isn’t a single #1 or #2 in baseball that has this caveat:

                    “I mean 3rd pitch aside and improving control not withstanding…”

                    Let alone literally one of the few best starting pitchers on earth, which you seem to believe will be Glasnow, presumably soon.

                    • Haha. Thanks, NMR. Appreciate the love, buddy. I responded below and I will say something similar here. I cannot remember the last pitcher to be as big as Tyler Glasnow, so I just always envision Randy Johnson. When I met Tyler in Spring Training this last year I swear he was every bit as big as Randy Johnson (6’10 vs. 6’8+?).

                      That body is one of the hardest things to get in-sync…and IF he has, in fact, grown into his delivery then the control numbers from AA will stick. That means you get a guy with 11/K9 and 2.5/BB9. I will take those numbers, won’t you?

                      As for the 3rd pitch, I am even less concerned about this. The control was worrisome to me. The 3rd pitch is not. Francisco Liriano learned his changeup from Johan Santana, Gerrit Cole has credited the MLB staff and coaches with getting his secondary pitches better and used more often which has helped his development. 92% of Gerrit Cole’s pitches are either FB or SL. If Tyler Glasnow only has to use a 3rd pitch 8% of the time? Yeah…I think he’ll be OK. Eventually he’s going to get around someone, like Liriano, who is going to get it through to him that as good as his fastball is, that changeup has the ability to be just as good if used in coordination with that FB.

                    • I want to ask you an alternative question: at age 22 who would you take Tyler Glasnow or Jacob DeGrom? I don’t imagine it would be DeGrom. And to give Tyler Glasnow even a little added bump…when Clayton Kershaw first came up he threw 95% FB and CU, with the FB being thrown almost 72% of the time. Do we really not want to give Tyler Glasnow the same benefit of the doubt?

                    • No, we absolutely do not want to give Glasnow the benefit of the doubt.

                      Prospects, first and foremost, do not develop linearly.

                      *Especially* at the top end of the scale. Glasnow should absolutely be given credit for developing control to this point, but your biggest mistake is equating control with command. Glasnow is finding the zone more, but he’s not commanding it. THAT is what separates good from elite, and is by far the most difficult part of a pitcher’s development.

                    • NMR, maybe you can explain this to me…why doesn’t Tyler Glasnow have a slider? His plus-fastball begs to have a slider compliment. That is, again, why I brought up how Kershaw was FB/CU until, really, 2010 when he switched over to that slider that he throws heavily now. If Glasnow were to develop along a similar line, he would be smart to develop a slider.

                    • I’d imagine a couple factors…

                      First and foremost, he’s literally been throwing strikes of any kind for a matter of months while only having two pitches to worry about.

                      Second, the changeup is exponentially more important to develop, and they’re already having trouble getting him to work it into his repertoire. Gotta have something to show lefties. I can see the slider developing if he can’t figure out the change, but we’re still far too early in development in my opinion.

                    • Thanks, NMR. I was thinking the addition of the slider would be another big swing-and-miss pitch and wouldn’t be all that difficult of an addition. (Although neither is a changeup which he almost just refuses to throw it seems).

                      You do make is sound like Glasnow is a long way away from the majors with your “we’re still far too early in development” comment. I think, whether he stays in AA all year (likely) or moves to AAA toward the end of the season, Tyler Glasnow has, at most, another full year of minor league starts if he keeps getting results like these.

                    • Nah, I think he could get big league hitters out this moment if he had to. I don’t think he’s far away from being a big league pitcher at all.

                      But I do think there’s still a lot a development left between him being an *elite* big league pitcher.

                    • You are not paying attention one bit as to what Glasnow is doing NMR. But to help you out, I will give you the pitch sequence he used last Friday night against former ML er Brandon Snyder. 1st pitch curve ball at 74 mph for strike one. 2nd pitch 78 mph breaking ball for ball 1. 3d pitch in on the hands at 98 mph, strike 2 looking. 4th pitch 78 mph curve ball,strike out swinging, and an embarrassing swing. I’m not sure where you are getting your information, but it needs help.

                    • I think Glasnow should spend all of August at Indy in a AAA pennant race, and then hopefully pitch some playoff games and at that point he’ll be around 100 ip for the season. I know everyone talks about the way the Pirates bring guys along slowly but a decision will need to be made whether he pitches in the mlb down the stretch or not. Right now, the way he looks he is too dominant not to consider in some role in the pennant race. He could be a difference maker, even if it is out of the pen. I think the performance at Indy against more veteran competition would be a good test to see where he stands. If the excellent control holds up I don’t see how you hold him back. The future is now.

                    • This year? My goodness no.

                    • I do not think he should be in the majors in any capacity this year. I agree. I do think that after another (3-4) few starts he could get moved up to AAA if the results hold similar to what we’ve seen. Although, I am not sure there is a vast difference between the quality he’ll see in AA and the quality he will see in AAA and you would, certainly, imagine that the Curve have a lot better chance to go deep in the playoffs than do the Indians.

                      Would you put an innings limit on him? No more than 5 innings per start? 6 innings maybe? I thought after his 70+ pitches and 6 solid innings they were going to lift him yesterday, although they let him go back out for the 7th.

                    • I can see your point NMR but my plan doesn’t have him starting in sept and he missed a month of starts. He’s hardly a max effort guy anyways. It’s fun to entertain and I know the pirates are gonna most likely keep him down but the only reason I even bring it up is because he is a special case. A guy that allows a .160 average in AA can get people out anywhere. The control is the big thing now. He is getting a mastery of his mechanics…for now at least.

                    • NMR : spoken like a guy who hasn’t seen Glasnow pitch even one inning.

                • Come on what ? If DeGrom is the bar, I will be disappointed ! I saw DeGrom, and he wasn’t at this level of talent. God bless him for getting where he is, and he is good.

              • Irrelevant. You could fill binders with the names of pitchers who’ve performed better than DeGrom in the minors.

                But you can’t fill two hands with the number of pitchers who’ve performed better than DeGrom in the show, and that’s what we’re talking about here. Glasnow being literally one of the few very best pitchers alive.

                Absolutely *can* happen, but those are just never the kind of odds you should *expect*.

          • He has dominated at every level he has been at. Throw out the game he started when trying to come back on his sprained ankle and his ERA with the Curve is 1.33 !

            • Randy Johnson (and again this is comparing MLB vs. MiLB but the numbers are incredible so I am using them)…had 1.18 (1.178) K’s per inning over his career…4875 K’s in 4135 innings over his incredible career. This is Tyler Glasnow’s WORST strikeout season by comparison…and he has a 1.18 (1.176) K’s per inning.

        • DeGrom is 27 and was a late bloomer post-TJ surgery. Glasnow is 22 and has a very high ceiling. I don’t see the correlation.

      • Interesting to consider that they seem to be being really cautious with Tyler. I know he’s had the control issues and he was a high school draftee, but he already has a lot of minor league innings under his belt and you’d honestly imagine he’s got plenty of AA innings under his belt…maybe another couple starts? Syndergaard had 456 innings before getting into the Mets rotation but he didn’t dominate the way Glasnow has either…although he had remarkable control numbers. Glasnow will be, likely, over 400 innings by the end of the year. Why not get him some AAA innings?

        • He seems to be on the June 2016 path so I don’t see the harm in getting him to AAA now and getting him more AAA innings before he’s promoted. If I recall they want him to work on his change up and throwing breaking pitches early in the count for strikes. I’m not sure why he can’t do that in AAA. If he can keep the walks down the next couple weeks and his control in check I would move him up. That being said I think the injury sealed his fate for a call up this year. I would bet he finishes the year in AA. Just a hunch.

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