Prospect Watch: Radhames Liz Hurt by Defense and Wildness

P2 Top 30

A look at how the current top 30 prospects did today.  Note that this list doesn’t include players currently in the majors. If a player is in the majors, he will be removed, everyone below him will be shifted up a spot, and a new player will be added to the bottom of the list. If a player is out for the season (Nick Kingham, Jacob Taylor), he will be removed and everyone below him will move up a spot. Removing these guys doesn’t mean they have lost prospect status. It is just an attempt to get 30 active prospects on the list. Rankings are from the mid-season update, and links on each name go to their Pirates Prospects player pages.

1. Tyler Glasnow, RHP, Indianapolis -[insert_php] include_once (‘./p2-stats/stats_functions.php’);

2. Jameson Taillon, RHP, Indianapolis – Disabled List

3. Austin Meadows, CF, Bradenton -[insert_php] display_top30(640457,’B’,’20150803′);

4. Josh Bell, 1B, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(605137,’B’,’20150803′);

5. Alen Hanson, 2B, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(593700,’B’,’20150803′);

6. Reese McGuire, C, Bradenton -[insert_php] display_top30(624512,’B’,’20150803′);

7. Elias Diaz, C, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(553869,’B’,’20150803′);

8. Harold Ramirez, OF, Bradenton -[insert_php] display_top30(623912,’B’,’20150803′);

9. Cole Tucker, SS, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(657061,’B’,’20150803′);

10. Kevin Newman, SS, Morgantown -[insert_php] display_top30(621028,’B’,’20150803′);

11. Ke’Bryan Hayes, 3B, GCL -[insert_php] display_top30(663647,’B’,’20150803′);

12. Mitch Keller, RHP, Bristol -[insert_php] display_top30(656605,’P’,’20150803′);

13. Clay Holmes, RHP, Bradenton -[insert_php] display_top30(605280,’P’,’20150803′);

14. Stephen Tarpley, LHP, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(605501,’P’,’20150803′);

15. Max Moroff, 2B, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(621559,’B’,’20150803′);

16. Barrett Barnes, OF, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(608627,’B’,’20150803′);

17. Yeudy Garcia, RHP, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(650817,’P’,’20150803′);

18. Trey Supak, RHP, Bristol -[insert_php] display_top30(657022,’P’,’20150803′);

19. Gage Hinsz, RHP, Bristol -[insert_php] display_top30(656543,’P’,’20150803′);

20. Adam Frazier, SS, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(624428,’B’,’20150803′);

21. Willy Garcia, OF, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(591994,’B’,’20150803′);

22. Steven Brault, LHP, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(643230,’P’,’20150803′);

23. Kevin Kramer, 2B, Morgantown -[insert_php] display_top30(596012,’B’,’20150803′);

24. Tyler Eppler, RHP, Bradenton -[insert_php] display_top30(621169,’P’,’20150803′);

25. Adrian Valerio, SS, GCL -[insert_php] display_top30(650832,’B’,’20150803′);

26. Connor Joe, 1B, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(656582,’B’,’20150803′);

27. John Holdzkom, RHP, Indianapolis – Disabled List

28. Jordan Luplow, 3B, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(656669,’B’,’20150803′);

29. Casey Hughston, OF, Morgantown -[insert_php] display_top30(641713,’B’,’20150803′);

30. Billy Roth, RHP, Bristol -[insert_php] display_top30(624517,’P’,’20150803′);

P2 Top Performers

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Indianapolis Indians Prospect Watch

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P2 Game Notes

With some poor defense behind him and some wildness, Radhames Liz lost his shutout streak, which was 19 innings over his last three starts. Liz walked four, hit two batters, but only allowed two hits in six innings. Two of the four runs were unearned, and he had six strikeouts, with a 5:3 GO/AO ratio. It wasn’t anything like his last three outings, but with a little help on defense, his outing would look a lot better. Both errors that let unearned runs score(2nd and 4th inning) came with two outs, so he had to throw extra pitches each inning. In 50.1 innings with Indianapolis, he has a 1.25 ERA and 57 strikeouts.

Keon Broxton extended his on base streak to 27 games, with two hits and a walk. He stole two bases, making him 22-for-24 in steals with Indianapolis. He also stole 11 bases with Altoona. Willy Garcia homered for the third straight game, giving him a total of ten on the season. He also drew a walk and had an outfield assist. Alen Hanson stole his 29th base of the year, but also struck out three times. Josh Bell went 0-for-4 and he is now 1-for-13 in three games with Indianapolis.


Altoona Curve Prospect Watch

Altoona did not play today.

Bradenton Marauders Prospect Watch



Bradenton did not play today.

West Virginia Power Prospect Watch

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P2 Game Notes

Austin Coley had his longest outing of the year, going seven innings and picking up his 13th win of the year, which sets a West Virginia Power franchise record. Coley was efficient, pounding the strike zone to get ahead of hitters, and getting a lot of quick outs. There weren’t many hard hit balls off of him, and weren’t many times where he ran into trouble. The one run scored when he allowed a stolen base, then gave up a two out single to right field to bring in the run.

Coley was helped out by his offense in the fifth inning. Taylor Gushue only grounded out to start the inning, but West Virginia manager Brian Esposito credited him for a ten pitch at-bat that threw the opposing pitcher off his game. Following that at-bat, West Virginia had four singles in a row, followed by a wild pitch by relief pitcher Jake Drehoff, and one more single to cap off the four run inning. Prior to that inning, Greenville starter Luis Ramos had given up just one run on four hits in four innings.

Tito Polo returned to action tonight after missing the last two games with a leg cramp. He looked good, hitting the very first pitch he saw up the middle, and connecting with another hit later in the game. Jordan Luplow had his 30th double of the year tonight. He has quietly put up a nice season at the plate. He’s not flashy at the plate, but he can hit, and control the strike zone, while adding some power. His defense looks a bit better in the infield, as he’s getting more comfortable knowing where he is supposed to be positioned from pitch to pitch. Jerrick Suiter also has shown off some good hitting skills the last few games, and displayed an above average arm in right field.

Cole Tucker sat again today. He’s been out with soreness, and has been icing his shoulder at times. Neither Tucker nor Esposito say he’s injured, instead just chalking it up to soreness over a long season. – Tim Williams


West Virginia Black Bears Prospect Watch

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P2 Game Notes


Second round pick Kevin Kramer had his best game as a pro on Monday. He reached base all five times up, with three singles and two walks, which led to two runs scored and two RBIs. Kramer had a .547 OPS coming into the game. This was the first time he reached base more than three times in a game and first time he drew two walks in a game.

Kramer’s double play combo partner hasn’t been as good. First round pick Kevin Newman is 4-for-25 in his last six games, while drawing just one walk in his last 11 games.

Casey Hughston had two hits, raising his average to .202 after starting the season in a 1-for-43 slump. Since then, he is hitting .310 in 71 at-bats.

Luis Paula made his fourth start and gave up three runs in the second inning, but still lasted until the fifth and didn’t give up anymore runs. He has pitched 31.1 innings this year and still hasn’t issued a single walk.


Bristol Pirates Prospect Watch1

Bristol is off today.


GCL Pirates Prospect Watch


The GCL Pirates were rained out on Monday.

DSL Pirates Prospect Watch

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P2 Game Notes

The DSL Pirates moved one step closer to a losing season on Monday, coming back from an early 4-1 deficit, only to lose on a walk-off homer in the tenth inning.  They now have a 21-34 record, with 17 games left on the schedule. Yondry Contreras had two hits and drove in a run, though he also had two strikeouts and a caught stealing. He received the highest bonus last year at $400,000, but he’s now hitting .216, with 59 strikeouts in 46 games. Jeremias Portorreal was on a hot streak for awhile, but he has really cooled off since mid-July. He is 6-for-41 in his last 11 games, with 14 strikeouts. Gabriel Brito extended his hitting streak to six games by collecting his fifth double of the year. Raymond Rodriguez, who is 18 years old and in his second season of the DSL, threw three shutout innings in relief. He had a 6:0 GO/AO ratio in this game. Rodriguez has made 14 appearances this season and walked at least one batter each game. He has issued 31 free passes in 25.1 innings.

  • John: Radhames Liz was not as effective as he has been, but really only had one bad inning – the 4th. After that, in the 5th and 6th, he faced 6 batters, striking out 4.

    I know Liz is the guy closest to moving up, but the real story of the night was Austin Coley who is now 13 – 5 – have you highlighted him yet this season?

    Hughston has not had many games where he would make the Top Performers List, but I think not listing him had to be an oversight. After a 1 for 43 start and he is now over the Mendoza Line, he deserves a lot of credit for persevering and keeping his head up.

    • We don’t do the top performers anymore, it’s generated by boxscores and has limited spaces. So if a ton of players have two hit games, but only a couple are better, you’ll just see a couple of the two hit games listed instead of the generic “11 players tied with two hits”. It goes alphabetical, so that’s why those players are up there in that order

  • Pretty sure the claim Liz has a 11.25 ERA at Indy is a typo.

  • What is the game score category?

    • How well the starting pitchers do, they start at 50, so anything above 50 means they did good, anything below is bad and obviously the lower the worse it is.

  • Jones will never make it to the majors, great move by NH

    • That seems pretty excessive. Kid might have issues, but him ending up as a bench option doesnt seem crazy.

      • Might not seem crazy, but I just don’t think he has what it takes to make the major leagues. If the best he ends up as is a bench option, then the trade is even better. Pittsburgh has much better prospects in the system, he is expendable.

    • BuccosFanStuckinMD
      August 3, 2015 11:58 pm

      Really? Funny how people quickly adopt negative opinions of a player, once they have been traded. Considering he is 23, already at AA, and the Tigers in need of a rebuild, I give your prediction a low probability.

      I am not saying Jones will be a star, but if he can improve his knowledge of the strike zone and reduce his K’s, he has everything else to get to the majors – great athlete, fast, hits with power, strong arm, etc. He could play SS, 2B, or even CF. Maybe he ends up being a Ben Zobrist type of player – high end utility player who can hit and play multiple positions. Time will tell.

      • Not to drag this out, but 23 at AA is expected not advanced. 23 is age appropriate for that level. He was old, bordering on really old, for A ball.

        I agree if he reduces his Ks he can be very good. When he starts reducing his Ks itll be the first time in his career to this point, and thats the issue. He has serious swing and miss and thats something that has derailed many talented minor leaguers.

        I wish him well and hope he does well for them. But he was a 15ish level prospect in our system, so acting like he’s headed for All Star stuff is rosy for him. His K issue makes him more risky than some to never reach his ceiling.

      • Funny thing is I didn’t quickly adopt this opinion. I was never high on him. It’s extremely difficult to make it to the majors, especially when you strike out as often as he does. He just got to AA as a 23 year old, in reality he should have already been there.

      • I think you are right. DFA Newman and Kramer. Totally worthless and enough is enough. Trade Glasnow for Jones to get that atleticism back you say he possesses. Dude. I hear you loud and clear. Brilliant.

  • BuccosFanStuckinMD
    August 3, 2015 7:54 pm

    Tyler Moore and Logan Hill continue to hit well and drive in runs for WV (Morgantown) – given their age, it seems they should be considered for a promotion soon to WV (Charleston).

    As for Kevin Kramer and Kevin Newman..this is how bad those two are scuffling…their teammate Casey Hughston started the season 0-30 something. Hughston has actually been hitting well of late is is now only 20 points behind Kramer and Newman in batting average, after such a horrendous start.

    Obviously, I cannot prove this, but I am very certain – if they were given the choice of Jacoby Jones, Newman, or Kramer – the Tigers wanted Jones. Which should not be a huge shock, since he’s only what 1 year older than Kramer and Newman, yet has reached AA? Jones dominated in WV, while Kramer and Newman struggle. Jones is the far superior athlete, and has much higher upside.You cannot write off players after 2+ months, but the fact that Kramer and Newman are still struggling is not a good sign.

    • Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think Newman and Kramer are eligible to be traded since they were drafted only a month and half ago

      • They are not eligible, but they changed the rules so they can be dealt earlier than before. That happened because of the Trea Turner deal, which had him playing for the Padres despite being the player to be named later for six months.

    • Kevin Kramer is used to UCLA and summers on the Cape. This West Virginia thing has him all shook up.

    • Newman for sure has been hitting better lately, and his baserunning has been as advertised. And Newman is 21, drafted as a junior, so two years younger than Jones.

      I follow Newman closely, having watched him play at Arizona, and I know his average (and other numbers) have been climbing steadily. He’s put the ball in play (12.6% K%), and a .255 BABIP seems pretty low for a guy with a pure line-drive swing and decent wheels, though I don’t know how hard he’s been hitting the ball, admittedly, since I can’t actually watch him play regularly.

      He’ll be fine. He’ll be more than fine. He has all the tools, he has the smarts, and he has the work ethic.

    • Idk how your post isnt clearly writing off those players apart from you realizing it and putting “cant write them off, but”. You called those two players far less athletes and far less upside off 2 months.

      Its also kinda misleading to say Jones dominated WV. Dominating doesnt usually include 132 K to 33 BB. Lotta power, fine defense, holes in his swing. Good player, good results, but with a large red flag.

      • BuccosFanStuckinMD
        August 3, 2015 11:53 pm

        Those are your words…I never said that I was writing Newman or Kramer off – and explicitly said that. I also never said they were not good athletes – I just stated that Jacoby Jones is a far superior athlete to both of them – and I doubt too many people would argue that point.
        I just stated the obvious – both are struggling big time and both should be doing extremely well at the level they are at. I guess the obvious truth is unacceptable now. Kramer did have three hits tonight, which is a good sign. My concern with him still is I think he only has 1 or 2 extra base hits all season….fortunately, to offset their struggles, guys like Hill and Moore are far exceeding expectations and should be promoted soon.

        • You keep using the word truth in a way that isnt at all what it means. You being of the opinion that Jones is a far superior athlete is fine, stop acting like its a fact.

          You having the opinion that he has a clearly superior ceiling is fine, stop calling it fact. You are passing off things you think for things that are clearly established, and doing so largely because the kids are struggling for 2 months. that ignores a ton about the players and simplifies them into what their first few months stats are.

    • They won’t promote players unless there is a need at this point. They have said that they want college players to get used to the daily grind their first season and results don’t matter as much. They would rather leave them at the same level regardless of results, good or bad

      • BuccosFanStuckinMD
        August 4, 2015 12:02 am

        I get that John, for players who are at or below the average age for the level, but for those who are older and/or who are dominant at the level, I think this philosophy is faulty.

        IMHO, they would do the player and the organization a favor by moving them up to better position them for next year. See if they can handle the greater challenge while also helping get the level they should be given their age.

        • I think it’s wrong too, but doesn’t mean they will do it. I can only go by what they have done in the past and very few players play above the NYPL the year they are drafted. It’s less than the amount of drafts the current FO has had. Hague, Mercer, Sanchez, Ludwig….which proves it’s a lot easier to say it won’t happen because history suggests it won’t happen