Prospect Watch: Glasnow Walks Five in Shortest Career Outing

P2 Top 30

A look at how the current top 30 prospects did today.  Note that this list doesn’t include players currently in the majors. If a player is in the majors, he will be removed, everyone below him will be shifted up a spot, and a new player will be added to the bottom of the list. If a player is out for the season (Nick Kingham, Jacob Taylor), he will be removed and everyone below him will move up a spot. Removing these guys doesn’t mean they have lost prospect status. It is just an attempt to get 30 active prospects on the list. Rankings are from the mid-season update, and links on each name go to their Pirates Prospects player pages.

1. Tyler Glasnow, RHP, Indianapolis -[insert_php] include_once (‘./p2-stats/stats_functions.php’);
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2. Jameson Taillon, RHP, Indianapolis – Disabled List

3. Austin Meadows, CF, Bradenton -[insert_php] display_top30(640457,’B’,’20150901′);
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4. Josh Bell, 1B, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(605137,’B’,’20150901′);
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5. Alen Hanson, 2B, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(593700,’B’,’20150901′);
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6. Reese McGuire, C, Bradenton -[insert_php] display_top30(624512,’B’,’20150901′);
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7. Elias Diaz, C, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(553869,’B’,’20150901′);
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8. Harold Ramirez, OF, Bradenton -[insert_php] display_top30(623912,’B’,’20150901′);
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9. Cole Tucker, SS, West Virginia – Disabled List

10. Kevin Newman, SS, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(621028,’B’,’20150901′);
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11. Ke’Bryan Hayes, 3B, Morgantown -[insert_php] display_top30(663647,’B’,’20150901′);
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12. Mitch Keller, RHP, Bristol -[insert_php] display_top30(656605,’P’,’20150901′);
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13. Clay Holmes, RHP, Bradenton – Disabled List

14. Stephen Tarpley, LHP, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(605501,’P’,’20150901′);
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15. Max Moroff, 2B, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(621559,’B’,’20150901′);
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16. Barrett Barnes, OF, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(608627,’B’,’20150901′);
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17. Yeudy Garcia, RHP, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(650817,’P’,’20150901′);
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18. Trey Supak, RHP, Bristol -[insert_php] display_top30(657022,’P’,’20150901′);
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19. Gage Hinsz, RHP, Bristol -[insert_php] display_top30(656543,’P’,’20150901′);
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20. Adam Frazier, SS, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(624428,’B’,’20150901′);
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21. Willy Garcia, OF, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(591994,’B’,’20150901′);
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22. Steven Brault, LHP, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(643230,’P’,’20150901′);
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23. Kevin Kramer, 2B, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(596012,’B’,’20150901′);
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24. Tyler Eppler, RHP, Bradenton -[insert_php] display_top30(621169,’P’,’20150901′);
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25. Adrian Valerio, SS, GCL -[insert_php] display_top30(650832,’B’,’20150901′);
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26. Connor Joe, 1B, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(656582,’B’,’20150901′);
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27. John Holdzkom, RHP, Indianapolis – Disabled List

28. Jordan Luplow, 3B, West Virginia – Disabled List

29. Casey Hughston, OF, Morgantown -[insert_php] display_top30(641713,’B’,’20150901′);
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30. Billy Roth, RHP, Bristol -[insert_php] display_top30(624517,’P’,’20150901′);
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P2 Top Performers

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Indianapolis Indians Prospect Watch

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P2 Game Notes

Tyler Glasnow lasted seven batters on Tuesday night. He recorded one strikeout, gave up a double off the center field wall and walked five batters. He threw 35 pitches in the inning, with 12 going for strikes, although he missed on the last ten pitches. He was close on a few pitches late, but the ump actually gave him a big strike zone to the first three hitters, with a couple questionable strike calls. Right from the start it didn’t look good, with the first pitch nearly hitting the righty batter in the head, followed by a ball in the left-handed batters’ box. Glasnow was throwing almost exclusively fastballs, with three curves mixed in.

This is his shortest career outing, and just the second time he couldn’t get out of the first inning. The first was back in 2012 when he was in the GCL. He now has 22 walks in 33.2 innings with Indianapolis. All six runners he allowed came around to score, three after he left the game, giving him a 2.41 ERA. – John Dreker

 

Altoona Curve Prospect Watch

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P2 Game Notes

Altoona’s offense had a great night tonight. Eight of the nine hitters in the lineup recorded a hit. Adam Frazier went 1-for-4 and now has a .326 average on the season. He still holds the Eastern League lead with a little less than a week remaining in the season, leading Gavin Cecchini by nine points. Max Moroff extended his hitting streak to nine games.

Jason Creasy had one of his best starts recently, giving up just two earned runs in six innings, with six strikeouts and one walk. Creasy was known for good control in the lower levels, but has walked 50 batters this year in 141 innings. That’s not a huge total, but it’s more walks than any two seasons in his career, and more than double his total last year in 148.2 innings. He’s had some better results in that category lately, with five of his last seven outings seeing five innings or more and two walks or less. Four of those outings saw him go six or more innings with two or fewer walks.

 

Bradenton Marauders Prospect Watch

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P2 Game Notes

Bradenton won in walk off fashion tonight on Jin-De Jhang’s fifth homer of the year. They’re currently fighting for a playoff spot, and moved to two games back from Palm Beach with the win over the Cardinals tonight. Aside from Jhang’s homer, Edwin Espinal went 2-for-5 and knocked in the other two runs on the night. Austin Meadows scored one of the runs, walking twice and stealing his 20th base of the year.

Frank Duncan had a solid outing tonight, giving up three runs in seven innings, with two walks and a strikeout. Duncan was efficient, with 89 pitches and 59 strikes, while getting a lot of ground balls and 12 ground outs. Bradenton was able to keep it close thanks to Junior Lopez, who pitched three perfect innings in relief, striking out three in the process, to pick up the win.

West Virginia Power Prospect Watch

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P2 Game Notes

The good news for Yeudy Garcia tonight was that he threw five shutout innings, giving up two hits and striking out two. The bad news was that he walked five batters in the process. Control hasn’t been a big issue for Garcia, as he walked just 17 in 50.1 innings over his previous ten outings, and never had more than two walks in a start. So this can be chalked up to an off-night with the walks.

Elvis Escobar hit his fifth homer of the year. Kevin Newman had a walk and a hit, and stole his fourth base. The 2015 first round pick had a .718 OPS coming into this game, and was on fire in his last ten games with a .359 average. Pablo Reyes continued his quietly impressive season with his 20th double of the year. Reyes isn’t hitting for a high average, but had a .161 ISO coming into this game, which is pretty good for a young middle infielder.

West Virginia Black Bears Prospect Watch

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P2 Game Notes

Luis Escobar was promoted from the GCL earlier this week, and made his debut in Morgantown tonight. He went three shutout innings, giving up two hits and two walks, while striking out three. Escobar has been getting his fastball up to 95 this season, and consistently sits in the 91-93 range. He was rated one of our top GCL prospects, and this promotion shows that he has opened a few eyes with his performance. Morgantown followed that up with six shutout innings from the bullpen, and a lot of good offense.

Mitchell Tolman led the way with three hits and his 14th double of the year. Casey Hughston and Erik Forgione also had three hits each, with Hughston stealing his fourth base of the season. Carlos Munoz continued his power run, hitting a double tonight. He has two hits in eight at-bats so far for Morgantown, with a homer and a double. On the season between Bristol and Morgantown he had 12 homers and 21 doubles. Ke’Bryan Hayes is off to a slow start in his first taste of a college league, going 2-for-20 in his first six games.

Bristol Pirates Prospect Watch1

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P2 Game Notes

Gage Hinsz started the last game of the season for Bristol and it would have been nice if the season had a couple weeks left, because he had a terrific outing. His day did have an odd ending, which you normally don’t see from Pirates’ pitchers. Over the first five innings, he gave up one unearned run on five hits and no walks, striking out six batters. In yesterday’s Bristol game, Mitch Keller was extended to almost 90 pitches, which you don’t see from high school pitchers in their second season. They are usually capped at 5IP/75 pitches, whichever comes first. Hinsz came out for the sixth inning for the first time in his career and it ended up ruining and excellent outing. He allowed a hit and two walks, throwing a total of 84 pitches in the game.

If you disregard the sixth inning, Hinsz did his job well, giving up one hard hit ball that went for a triple in the first inning. He was pounding the strike zone and it would have been the first game this year that he didn’t issue a walk. It’s an odd approach because you usually see pitchers limited in their last start if they decide to do something different. You don’t see a pitcher get stretched out more as his season ends, but they’ve done it twice in the last two days with top prospects and it didn’t work out either time. – John Dreker

 

GCL Pirates Prospect Watch

The GCL Pirates have completed their season. Season recap and top ten prospect list can be found here.

 

DSL Pirates Prospect Watch

The DSL Pirates have completed their season. You can read our full season recap here, with reports on 41 different players. There is also a list of 12 players to watch, which can be found here.

  • Glasnow is averaging 6 walks/9 IP. Personally, I think he needs a little more time.

    That walk rate needs to at least be cut in half.

    At this rate, we’ll be lucky to see him by June of 2016.

    • People seem to ignore this for whatever reason. It’s like if you don’t think Glasnow is ready RIGHT now you think Locke and Morton are the greatest pitchers ever. It’s mutually exclusive. The focus should be on Glasnow only. His ERA was microscopic, K’s were there but the WHIP wasn’t all that great and that’s because of the walks as you said. They need work, Glasnow needs work. This doesn’t mean he’s terrible. Doesn’t mean those who say he’s probably not ready yet are delegating him to a closer with 2 pitches at best. He just needs refinement. It’s exhausting. I need coffee……….

  • @JD – the “Big Three” will all be getting innings in Fall Ball, correct? You guys know far better than I.

    • None of the big three are going to the Arizona Fall League

    • I assume you’re talking about instructs? If so, then yes. They usually get those guys some additional innings in that league. I’d expect that with those three, as a few of them have missed time this year.

      • Correct, Tim. Instructs. Wonder if the pitch count trend John noted has anything to do with their plan for these three this fall.

  • Anyone talk with Creasy this year about the walks and the noticed lack of control compared to the last few years? He is a local boy down here in NC where I am and I always like him. Glad he has been getting better as the year finishes up…Was just wondering if he said anything about what was different this year besides playing in AA.

    • We don’t have a recent article, but I believe we have something from earlier in the summer. Right now there’s no simple explanation for it.

      • Thanks Tim, would be interesting to know his thoughts on the season. If he was able to regain his control I think he could be very serviceable someday.

  • Crap happens and that’s all that needs to be said regarding Glasnow’s outing – it will have very little effect on the plan the club has for him. Let’s wait and see what the next start looks like. If a SP was needed would the Pirates bring up Vance Worley, or would they take a flyer on Chad Kuhl, an extreme GB pitcher, who also has a mid to upper 90’s FB? I prefer the latter – even though he is still in AA, he has really impressed since being drafted out of college.

    Fantastic stuff by the Bradenton Marauders should be emphasized – winning 3 straight when everyone knows that they cannot afford even one loss right now. Great stuff.

    Gage Hinsz and Luis Escobar, two 19 year olds, had excellent outings, and Yeudy Garcia had another very good outing.

  • John, The Temperature in Columbus was 86 degrees, Humidity 69 percent. The Columbus Clipper TV announcer commented on the extremely high humidity.
    Tyler in high school pitched in high 80s but the humidity in the West is very, very low. I say this for the record.

  • Pirates Prospects won’t have the story, to understand Glasnow’s poor start you had to get to the ballpark early, like 4:00, am. Kyle Stark had Glasnow carrying logs foul pole to foul pole this morning. Built some mental toughness, and quieted the clamor for Glasnow to be called up, thus saving Bob some money, which is really what it is all about.

  • I just hope that he’s not hurt. Been too much of this lately.

    • He looked fine, just control problems, which he has had a lot of times in his career.

      • Has he regained the velocity he was missing, or has this been intentional?

        • He was normal in his last start, this one didn’t have radar readings. I think people are thrown by him hitting 99. Anytime I’ve seen him in person, he was 93-96, touching 97. I’ve never even seen anything over 97 in person, but he has done it

    • Yeah coming off those back to back dominant outings and dropping his K rate by almost 1 per 9 all year. He’s just been awful lately….

  • Tim, Cole Tucker is out for the year, right? He’s still on the top 30 list

  • Something must be in the air today…first Glasnow and now Cole. The Pirates need to utilize the depth from our call ups today and pull Cole here…I know we are “never put of the game”…but, Cole has thrown a ton of innings, is vital to our remaining season/playoffs…these innings the rest of the game today are meaningless and he’s not performing…pull him and give him some rest.

  • BuccosFanStuckinMD
    September 1, 2015 8:55 pm

    Glasnow blows up today and now Cole…..4 runs in first inning against one of the worst teams in baseball. Jimmy Nelson owns the Pirates. Barring a comeback, tonight looks bad.

    Cole is our #1, but he is not a real #1 yet – maybe he will become one, but he isn’t there yet. For a guy who can throw as hard as he can, he seldom gets double digit Ks and seldom totally dominates a line-up. I remember those were some of the comments about him during his time at UCLA. He’s not Kershaw, Bumgarner, DeGrom, Greinke, or even Arrietta. Not yet.

    Given the state of the Pirates rotation, I just don’t see a deep run in the post-season if Cole and Liriano are going to continue to scuffle. When JA Happ is your best starter, that is not a good sign. And right now, its not even close.

    • Cole would be the #1 pitcher on what, 20-25 teams? That’s what you would call an ace.

      • Cole is definitely a #1
        But I am not sure I would call him elite right now.
        Guys like MadBum, Arieta, Greinke, Kershaw, Price, Sale, Kuechel, Wainwright, Archer, King Felix and Jose Fernandez are in that group IMHO. Cole looked like he might join that group early this year – but not now.

        • Well said. A #1 and elite are two different things and there’s no reason to believe Cole won’t be there soon.

    • Garrett Cole versus Jake Arrieta in the wildcard game is looking very very bad for us

    • Yeah the guy with a top 10 ERA/strikeouts and giving up less than a hit per IP is not a #1, stop it. He also is still 24 years old and only going to get better.

  • PP jinx has struck again!!!!

  • I guess we won’t be hearing as much now from the delusional group that wanted to bring up Glasnow today.

    • You’d be surprised. I don’t think they’ll give up citing this just being one bad outing.

      • Yes your right we should keep Glasnow down for at least another year don’t you think?

        • Look all I know is their track record with pitchers is pretty good so if Neal, Ray, Jim, whoever say he needs some seasoning I’m not going to argue. Before tonight it was easy to see the other side. I get it. The idea of Glasnow as Tim said. But if last night wasn’t an indication that he’s not a very talented player that needs some refinement I don’t know what is. I trust their judgment. I don’t know why that’s so hard for some people to swallow. Is he better than Locke? Maybe? You could make that argument. But to not trust the judgment of the people who essentially help put together a 96 or so win team is baffling. A little off topic but even with the Happ deal. That was a head scratcher if there ever was one. Smelled of panic at the 11th hour. But I figured they saw something that the stats didn’t scream and so I remained patient and here we are. I trust these guys. Period.

    • You’re not expecting a parade of “Hmm, on second thought maybe Tim, John, Ryan, Neal Huntington, Jim Benedict and 90% of the commenters on PP have a point” comments?

    • BuccosFanStuckinMD
      September 1, 2015 8:50 pm

      Well, this was predictable……yeah, Morton and Locke never have bad outings……disappointing outing by Glasnow today, but I would still rather have him pitching than Morton or Locke, who both have proven to be nothing but very inconsistent +4.00 ERA journeyman starters.

      • Proud of you for sticking by your guns. Still a terrible point to defend, but bravo.

        Suck you havent seen yet isnt any more fun than suck you have seen. And as tonight proves, Glasnow could absolutely have some suck in the majors.

        • BuccosFanStuckinMD
          September 1, 2015 9:43 pm

          Could he be a little more coherent and adult like in your posts? For a minute there, I thought I was reading a bad rap song….

          It actually sounds like you enjoyed the fact that Glasnow had a bad night…..

          • Certainly not happy that his issues all cropped up in one big inning, but it happens. Young guy still developing. I do enjoy that literally nothing will convince you he isnt fully ready to take on MLB and do well from day 1.

            He’s a great arm still learning to develop his entire game.

          • Referring to Luke’s reply to you, you are not only stupid, you are an a$$ hole on top of it. I hope that isn’t too much like a woman’s comment for you.

        • Written by a Suck head who probably never played baseball.

        • I have not known a pitcher that will not have his struggles in the majors. Glasnow will be no different in that manner. I think the issue is whether he is better right now then Charlie or Locke. I think for the pro Glasnow fans the answer is I hope so.

          • Is that the issue? Seems to be moving the goalposts a bit to me.

            For Glasnow’s promotion to make sense he doesn’t *just* have to be better than Jeff Locke or Charlie Morton, he has to be so much better than either of thoise two that it appreciably increases the club’s chances of catching the Cardinals, now up six games with 32 to play.

            Otherwise, it’s all academic. An extra W or two in the stat books at the end of the year. And another Wild Card game before actually getting to a five-game series.

            • A couple of years ago a 21 yr old guy named Wacha came up less then one year after signing and dominated the Pirates in the playoffs. He didn’t need a full season at single A, AA and AAA. He came up in may not June. He only pitched 64 Major league innings when he was thrusted into the playoff rotation of the Cards. I would like to think that opportunity would be available to a young stud Pirate pitcher whose minor league numbers were far superior to those of Wacha’s. The reality is its not available to him because the Pirates have their way of doing things. Now you can tell me he needs more work (until June of 2016 of course) but the reality is he is worthy of being on our major league roster NOW. If the FO was making a baseball only decision I firmly believe he would be up right now.

              • Not even close to similar situations, Bob. Nobody is making the claim that Glasnow is as close to Major League ready as Wacha was; inside the Pirates organization or out.

                You’re oversimplifying a complex situation.

                • The reality is he is as close or is closer then Wacha was when he got called up at age 21. We will never know how he would perform down the stretch because he will never this year because he will never be here. The Pirates have their plan and its not going to change. he will be up in June of next year unless he completely implodes. Thats the Pirate way. I do think he could help this team down the stretch but he will not get the call and in my opinion its all about the money/service time. I don’t have a problem with that but I am not going to defend the front offices bogus statements that he has to work on things before he gets here ( every player has something they can improve on before they hit the big leagues). They use the same argument for each player. The only reason why they do that is because they would face issues if they admitted that the reason these guys do not get up sooner is fiscal.

              • His walk rate begs to differ. Wacha also had years of college ball under him. These things matter.

                • Wacha was younger then Glasnow is now when he came up. Glasnows numbers as a pro ( in the minors) dwarf Wacha’s. The only difference is the Cardinals do things differently then the Pirates. The Cardinals also play to win every year and are willing to sacrifice control of players future to do it. They control the innings at the ML level instead of the minor league level. They do not work with a hard and fast budget however they are in a small market so they do work with some of the similar limitations that we do they just chose to attack things differently.

        • Luke it is really terrible to defend a guy who has struck out over 490 in 375 career innings in pro ball, or to cherry pick two starts in AAA while ignoring the reduced walk rate this year. You continue to defend this idea that FO vidication takes precedent over winning a world series. At least we know where your loyalty lies.

          • Thats funny, because about a week ago the people who wanted Glasnow were pointing to his first 2-3 starts in AAA and going “LOOK AT THE ERA”.

            So its all cherry picking this soon into his AAA time. He has issues, like lacking consistency in throwing strikes and lacking a reliable 3rd pitch. Its not terrible to defend him, but its maddening to assume every day he’s ready to be a fine ML pitcher. He’s struggled at a new level nearly every time he gets promoted, and clearly still has the ability to lose command in a big way.

            Im not defending the FO, im stating my position that he’s not ready to show up in a pennant race and win a ton of games. You can get all SALE TEAM on me and act like that means i defer to the team, but in reality its me looking at a high upside but unfinished prospect and not seeing him as likely to dominate the majors. And unless he brings you more than 1-2 wins, you waste service time.

          • Hilarious ! Cherry pick two starts ??? Where have you been ? Out of the country with no connection ? Deadspin here we come.

          • Jesus Christ.

      • At this point, in the MLB Glasnow would pitch like a +5.00 ERA journeyman – and potentially throw away a year of his prime. Also get him to arbitration a year earlier – which could prevent the Bucs from signing a free agent down the road.

      • Yep. I thought so. You are that stupid.

    • Took no time for the pompous crowd to chime in though.

    • The delusional group? Yet here you are pounding your chest over a bad outing. I swear some fans, like you, were hoping for an outing like this for some sort of weird vindication. It is baffling to me that instead of hoping the guy pitches well and shows he can help this team win a world series some of you sit here and want the GM proven right. What is wrong with this fan base, you do know the goal is to win a championship right? Not to make NH or the front office look right.

      • Its possible to want him to do well and also think “he isnt ready”. Everyone wants him to do well, but some also see him as unlikely to win most of his first 5 starts in the bigs….in a pennant race, so the constant yelling for him to arrive gets old.

      • How is any of this about Huntington? It’s about whether Glasnow is ready or not. And the answer, as shown today, is that he’s not.

        • But Tim, it’s not about Huntington. It’s about winning a championship.

          ^definition of a strawman.

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