Prospect Watch: Tyler Glasnow Uses Change-Up Effectively in 11 Strikeout Performance

P2 Top 30

A look at how the current top 30 prospects did today.  Note that this list doesn’t include players currently in the majors. If a player is in the majors, he will be removed, everyone below him will be shifted up a spot, and a new player will be added to the bottom of the list. If a player is out for the season, he will be removed and everyone below him will move up a spot. Removing these guys doesn’t mean they have lost prospect status. It is just an attempt to get 30 active prospects on the list. Rankings are from the 2016 prospect guide, and links on each name go to their Pirates Prospects player pages.

1. Tyler Glasnow, RHP, Indianapolis -[insert_php] include_once (‘./p2-stats/stats_functions.php’);

2. Austin Meadows, CF, Altoona – [insert_php] display_top30(640457,’B’,’20160426′);

3. Josh Bell, 1B, Indianapolis – [insert_php] display_top30(605137,’B’,’20160426′);

4. Jameson Taillon, RHP, Indianapolis – [insert_php] display_top30(592791,’P’,’20160426′);

5. Alen Hanson, 2B, Indianapolis – [insert_php] display_top30(593700,’B’,’20160426′);

6. Harold Ramirez, OF, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(623912,’B’,’20160426′);

7. Reese McGuire, C, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(624512,’B’,’20160426′);

8. Elias Diaz, C, Pirates – Disabled List.

9. Nick Kingham, RHP, Indianapolis – Disabled List

10. Ke’Bryan Hayes, 3B, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(663647,’B’,’20160426′);

11. Kevin Newman, SS, Bradenton -[insert_php] display_top30(621028,’B’,’20160426′);

12. Yeudy Garcia, RHP, Bradenton -[insert_php] display_top30(650817,’P’,’20160426′);

13. Steven Brault, LHP, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(643230,’P’,’20160426′);

 14. Stephen Tarpley, LHP, Bradenton – Extended Spring Training

15.Cole Tucker, SS, West Virginia – Disabled List

16. Chad Kuhl, RHP, Indianapolis – [insert_php] display_top30(641771,’P’,’20160426′);

17. Max Moroff, 2B, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(621559,’B’,’20160426′);

18. Mitch Keller, RHP, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(656605,’P’,’20160426′);

19. Clay Holmes, RHP, Altoona – [insert_php] display_top30(605280,’P’,’20160426′);

20. Willy Garcia, OF, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(591994,’B’,’20160426′);

21. Brandon Waddell, LHP, Bradenton – [insert_php] display_top30(663399,’P’,’20160426′);

22. Tyler Eppler, RHP, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(621169,’P’,’20160426′);

23. Barrett Barnes, OF, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(608627,’B’,’20160426′);

25. Gage Hinsz, RHP,  – Extended Spring Training

26. Adrian Valerio, SS, – Extended Spring Training

27. Adam Frazier, INF/OF, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(624428,’B’,’20160426′);

28. Kevin Kramer, 2B, Bradenton -[insert_php] display_top30(596012,’B’,’20160426′);

29. Jordan Luplow, OF/3B, Bradenton – [insert_php] display_top30(656669,’B’,’20160426′);

30. JT Brubaker, RHP, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(664141,’P’,’20160426′);

P2 Top Performers

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Tyler Glasnow made his fourth start of the season on Tuesday afternoon. He came into the game with a 3.60 ERA over 15 innings, with 13 hits, six walks and 19 strikeouts. I’ll note that the game has a still camera from far behind home plate that made it tough to see location and movement, so we can go in another direction with this recap because the radar gun was in view the whole time. He threw 15 pitches in the first inning, 11 for strikes. His fastball was 94-97, hitting that higher mark five times. He threw three curves (77-80), all for strikes, and had two 90-91 MPH changes that were fouled off. Glasnow retired the side in order and got strikeouts swinging on 97 (FB) and 79 (CV). It was a very impressive inning.

In the second inning, Glasnow hit 98 MPH with his fastball once. He threw 16 pitches in this frame, ten for strikes. His change was used twice again, get a swing and miss once, and a foul the other time. He only threw two curves and both missed the zone. He picked up two more strikeouts and got a lazy fly to center field, retiring the first six batters he faced. The fact that he threw four changes in the first two innings is great, especially since they were all strikes. The issue seems to be the separation in speed. It wouldn’t be bad if he was sitting 97-98 MPH this inning, then a 90-92 change-up would be fine, but he had a couple 93-94 MPH fastballs this inning.

In the third inning, Glasnow didn’t have the velocity of the previous innings, but he still picked up two strikeouts.  He threw 14 pitches, nine for strikes. The fastball was 92-94, hitting 96 once, which got the first batter looking for his fifth strikeout of the game. The second strikeout came on a swinging miss on an 80 MPH curve, the first curve he threw for a strike since the first inning. He threw two more change-ups. Through three innings, he allowed one single, no walks and had six strikeouts on 45 pitches, 30 for strikes.

The fourth was much like the first three innings. His pitch count was 15, with eight strikes. He walked one batter and missed the zone on six straight pitches. The fastball was 93-95 and he got two strikeouts. The first strikeout came on the batter looking at an 80 MPH curve. The second was 95 MPH swinging. He got the last out on an 89 MPH change-up, which was a ground out to shortstop. He threw the change four times total, also getting two foul balls to go with the grounder.

The fifth was nearly a six pitch inning, as Glasnow got a grounder to first, foul out to catcher and a grounder to shortstop that Gift Ngoepe couldn’t make the tough play on. He had to throw six more pitches to get out of the frame, ending the inning with a strikeout on a check swing from Jake Goebbert. The grounder to first base was on the only change he threw. The strikeout was on a curve, though he missed on his six previous curves.

For the first time, Glasnow worked into the sixth inning. He battled the first batter, using all of his pitches before finally striking him out on the ninth pitch, a 94 MPH fastball. The next batter grounded out on a change-up and Glasnow finished his day with a strikeout on a 79 MPH curve. He threw 87 pitches total, 56 for strikes. In six shutout innings, he allowed two hits, one walk, and struck out 11 batters.

This was basically the best Glasnow has ever looked because he got great results with all three pitches. The usage of and success of his change-up makes this game stand out above anything I’ve seen from him. The fastball hit 97-98 early, but it was still just as effective in the 93-95 MPH range. The change-up was sitting 90-91, but came in anywhere from 87-92. You want to see it in the 88-89 range from him for the ideal minimum separation, but he threw 12 of 15 changes for strikes and there wasn’t anything hit hard off the pitch. His curve could have been sharper. He threw 22 total, ten for strikes, with five of them being used for strikeouts. He just lost feel for the pitch twice for short times, but the difference was that he had a second pitch to go to this game.

If Glasnow can show that this game wasn’t a fluke by repeating his success with the change-up in 2-3 more starts, he should be ready to move to the next level. The fact that this is the best I’ve seen from it, means that might be easier said then done, but it’s a huge step in the right direction. Easily the best we’ve seen from his this year and a very encouraging sign.

Indianapolis broke this game open in the ninth inning against former Pirate Kyle McPherson. They hit four homers in the inning, the first home runs of the season from Pedro Florimon, Willy Garcia, Alen Hanson and Jung-ho Kang. McPherson has made five appearances this year and he has been roughed up in three of them. Before the ninth however, the offense was sloppy.

Indianapolis was thrown on stealing four times, with Adam Frazier being caught at third base and during an attempted steal of home. Hanson was also thrown out trying to stretch a single into a double, though he may have been safe of the play. Kang had the worst one, hitting a dribbler just off the plate and never leaving the batter’s box during a 2-5-3 double play. He thought it was foul, but it’s still a play you need to run out since it was quickly called fair. They were also 1-for-8 with runners in scoring position before Garcia hit his homer with a runner on second.

Josh Bell went 0-for-4 for a second straight day, but did manage a walk to keep his on-base streak alive at 17 games. He was the only Indianapolis player without a hit. Hanson went 3-for-4 with a homer and he dropped down a sacrifice bunt. He is hitting .368 through 13 games. Kang had two hits in this game, collecting a line drive single to right field in the first inning to go along with the homer. He is 3-for-20 in six rehab games.

Trey Haley threw the ninth inning and looked very impressive, pounding the strike zone with a 96-98 MPH fastball and his low-80’s curve. In seven appearances, he has allowed two runs over eight innings, with five hits, three walks and four strikeouts.


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ALTOONA – The air must’ve been thin on Tuesday evening in Altoona, as the Curve touched up Erie starter Brennan Smith for three home runs and five runs total in 2.1 IP. Smith has not been good for Erie, and he finished the game with a 14.79 ERA after his short outing (just to give you an idea of who the Curve offense was up against). Edwin Espinal started the fun with a line drive home run to the left field bleachers in the 2nd inning. That ball left the stadium in a hurry and was extremely hard off of his bat. Eric Wood followed that up two batters later with a blast over the Budweiser Party Deck and left field bleachers.

In the 3rd, Jose Osuna hit a two run homer, again over the left field bleachers (almost hitting an unsuspecting patron), which was his fourth home run of the season. Osuna also walked twice after walking twice on Monday night, as well.

Defensively, Eric Wood made a beautiful play at third base in the 2nd inning by fielding a ball deep towards the outfield grass. He then looked to slip and fall backwards while making a terrific throw to first base to still record the out. In the 4th, Edwin Espinal made a bad decision by trying to run down a runner picked off by Cody Dickson, and the runner outran him to second base.

On Austin Meadows Watch™ today, the glasses he donned yesterday at the plate in his season debut were gone, seemingly since they were fogging up on him last night. He told us that the Pirates made the decision on him wearing them, so they must have decided they weren’t necessary anymore. Meadows did say that he has no lasting repercussions from the injury, so he must not be worried about the eye anymore. Meadows proceeded to go 2-for-4 with a walk and two strikeouts in the game, with a lead-off double to the right field wall showing quite the strength.

Edwin Espinal finished a triple shy of the cycle. He doubled on a line drive to center field in the 3rd inning after his home run in the second.

Cody Dickson only made it 4+ innings before being pulled. While watching behind home plate, it didn’t look like Dickson was getting the movement out of his breaking pitches that he needs to be successful, and the fastball was up in the zone. His lone strikeout was with the curveball – a 77 MPH ball chased in the dirt. Control out of the zone wasn’t Dickson problem tonight; rather, he missed his location in the zone and allowed batters to touch him up. The one good play that Dickson made was a defensive cover, when he sprinted to cover first after Edwin Espinal missed on a dive and second baseman Anderson Feliz ended up making the play. Dickson made the catch on the run at the bag to record the out (on a slow baserunner at that, but it was still a good play). His curveball sat between 75 – 77 MPH, changeup in the mid-80s, and fastball looked a little slow tonight in the upper 80s and low 90s.

Frank Duncan relieved Dickson after allowed two singles in the 5th and held the two runners he inherited from Dickson. Duncan was the unsung hero of the night by settling things and shutting down Erie’s offense. He went on to throw four more scoreless innings in relief, only allowing three hits total and striking out three. Duncan used his sinker to get nine ground balls compared to five fly balls, and he had clean frames in the 6th, 7th, and 9th innings.

The Curve have been using Duncan to piggyback off of Cody Dickson’s starts since he made his Double-A debut on April 16th, as Dickson has struggled to go deep in his starts. He has only allowed one run in his 11.2 IP in those three appearances. He has mainly been used as a starter before this season, so he would be the best option for Altoona if the need arises for him to start again. – Sean McCool


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Yeudy Garcia had a horrible start on Tuesday night due to poor command. His command has been off all season, though it looked like he made good progress in his last start. It didn’t carry over into this game. Garcia recorded just one out from the five batters he faced and he went deep in the count to each hitter. He allowed a long double, a walk and hit a batter, giving up three runs (one earned).

Garcia threw 29 pitches, 15 for strikes. He was hurt by a catching error on first baseman Jerrick Suiter, which allowed two unearned runs to score. Even if Suiter caught the ball, it still would have ended the night for Garcia, as it was on the last pitch he threw and he was one short of his pitch limit. Once they reach that limit in an inning, their night is done, though they can finish the batter they are on. Garcia has a 5.40 ERA this season, with 18 hits and ten walks in 13.1 innings.

Bradenton lost this game 4-3 and all the scoring was done by the top of the 3rd inning. Henry Hirsch followed Garcia and picked up the loss. He was wild in his 2.1 innings, issuing four walks. Edgar Santana followed and threw 3.1 shutout innings, continuing his impressive campaign. He’s up to 16.1 shutout frames, allowing eight hits, no walks, and he has 14 strikeouts, to go along with a 2.00 GO/AO ratio. Nick Neumann threw shutout ball over the last three innings.

The Marauders had five hits in this game, all doubles. Kevin Newman hit his fourth double, while Michael Suchy had his third, Kevin Kramer and Connor Joe hit their second and Jerrick Suiter hit his first. Joe drew the only Bradenton walk. The team struck out nine times and Palm Beach pitchers retired 14 in a row to end the game.



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West Virginia was suspended in the third inning due to rain. They will finish the game tomorrow as part of a doubleheader. Here is a recap of the first three innings:

CHARLESTON, WV – West Virginia had a rough night tonight, going down 3-0 early after a few poor defensive plays in the second inning. The game was then suspended in the bottom of the third inning after heavy rain and a few lightning strikes. The game will be resumed tomorrow at 10:35 AM, picking up in the bottom of the third with one on and no outs for the Power.

Two of the three errors tonight came before the rain. The first error was actually a tough play for Mitchell Tolman, as he tried to field a hard liner to second that was hooking away from him, and short hopped his glove. He knocked it down, and it bounced away from him, but he couldn’t make the play. It was a difficult play to make, and the error was a tough call. The next error was just a bad play by Alfredo Reyes. He was fed a throw by Carlos Munoz, but tried to turn a double play before receiving the ball and dropped the throw, missing the out. These two plays helped lead to a two-run inning.

Dario Agrazal was getting hit hard at times, with the liner to Tolman, a fly ball double in the first, and a line drive double in the third that brought in the third run. He did get a few ground ball outs, showing good sink at times with his fastball. He also ended the second inning with a good curve that got a swinging strikeout with runners at second and third. I’ll be covering the double-header tomorrow. This game will be completed first, playing the full nine innings. Mitch Keller takes the mound after that, pitching in a seven inning game. – Tim Williams

  • BradUnderwood
    April 27, 2016 10:25 am

    He is not coming up until June so the Pirates have him under control for another year. Simple as that. Change-up control or not.

  • I noticed once again the PP staff neglects No List….The man goes 2-3 with a HR and zero mention of him under “Daily Top Performers”

  • ROSTER (June 10th)


    1. Polanco RF (L)

    2. Marte LF

    3. Cutch CF

    4. Jaso 1B (L)

    5. Kang 3B

    6. Cervelli C

    7. JayHay AllDay 2B

    8. Mercer SS


    1. Stewey C

    2. Freese 3B/1B

    3. Serpico Util

    4. Joyce OF (L)

    5. Hanson Util (S)


    1. Cole

    2. Liriano (L)

    3. Tallion

    4. Niese (L)

    5. Glasnow


    1. Locke (L)

    2. Nicasio

    3. Hughes

    4. Caminero

    5. Feliz

    6. Watson (L)

    7. Shark – Closer



    • Lloyd you really went out on a limb with this roster prediction. Although Hanson isn’t going to get you any special mention from the Footon contingent on this site I’m with you.

    • I’ll sign off on that.

    • I’ll sign off on everything except the lineup keeping it’s current shape bc Jaso isn’t losing his leadoff spot and Locke will be gone once Taillon and Glasnow are both up. LOCKE IS NOT RELIEVER MATERIAL!

  • Joe Block is pretty funny. “Dear Mom, I got a ball today. How are you? Love, son.”

    • I really like Mr. Block but he still looks like a Martian.

      • He looks like a Martian deprived of food and forced to live in a cave for the last six months…..somebody feed him and get him outdoors.

  • Great to see that kind of work from Glasnow. I saw on Twitter they were trying to run on him early, has he gotten better at controlling the run game?

    • I haven’t seen him pick anyone off, but he does have a better pick-off move. Stallings made a nice throw to catch one runner. Got him on a 75 MPH curve too, so wasn’t the best pitch for him.

  • Nice return from Meadows. These guys are gonna have some decisions to make on this kid next year, unless they hold him off until Cutch leaves

  • DrStrangeglove
    April 26, 2016 7:39 pm

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  • What is up with Yeudy so far this year? He didn’t make it out of the first inning!

  • BuccosFanStuckinMD
    April 26, 2016 5:57 pm

    If Glasnow and Taillon can keep this up, they will force the Pirates to promote them in June (or sooner), and the Pirates could have quite a rotation – combining them with Cole, Liriano, and Niese/Locke. Despite this impressive start yesterday, Locke would appear to be the odd man out – unless he proves yesterday wasn’t a fluke. I still think he may be able to be a useful LH reliever, if he can harness his control. Nicasio would immediately upgrade the bullpen, and allow the Pirates to let go Vogelsong or Scahill. Niese is what he is and has been – a mediocre LH starting pitcher, ideally suited for #5 slot in a rotation. I don’t see him improving or morphing into something better than that, given his career to date and his stuff.

  • Does Glasnow’s 89-92 mph changeup have movement since it’s still as hard as some fastballs? If so, how much and is it noticeable?

    • It’s an inconsistent pitch and at times, the only way to tell a difference is by looking at the radar. Unfortunately the camera angle today didn’t allow me to get a good feel of the pitch. He kept it down, so that helped. I’ve seen plenty of his games with 1-3 changes all game, so when it’s that infrequent, it’s tough to get any feel for how it normally acts.

      • Thank you. I know the Pirates stress keeping pitches down in the zone — any and all pitches — over left/right.

  • I really hope we get video of that 4 homer barrage.

    • If it does happen, it won’t be good video. As I mentioned, it was a still shot camera today, so you see the swings, but you don’t see where they land. Durham apparently uses college interns for it’s entire production crew and they were all in school, so they turned on one camera and had a constant feed of the same shot all game

      • God bless you for sitting through that, John.

        • Trust me, if it wasn’t Glasnow (or Taillon/Keller) I probably wouldn’t have done it. It helped that every pitch speed was visible on a big giant screen in straight away CF

  • You know, I’m not sure the velocity separation actually does need to improve all that much. A few pitchers throw really good changeups which don’t have a ton of velocity separation, like Felix and Greinke. They have great action on theirs, and I don’t know what Glasnow’s is like, but guys have shown the changeup can work with just 3 or 4 ticks of velocity difference.

    • Did this just happen?

      • Greinke’s is in the last year or two, yeah. He’s been playing with it for a little bit, though. I want to say Felix’s has been like that for a while, though.

        I read an article about Greinke’s and I think it mentioned Felix, so I’ll see if I can find that.

        • Sure! But come on, buddy. Don’t you think it might be a liiiiiitle bit premature to throw out Felix and Grienke comps after Glasnow is forced into throwing a bunch of shitty changeups for basically the first time?

          SeanRod jacked some huge bombs this month, bombs similar in length to Giancarlo Stanton. Ergo, SeanRod has a chance to turn into literally the player with the best contact authority on the planet. – said no one, ever


          • That’s not what I’m doing, though. I’m just saying a changeup doesn’t necessarily require a big velocity separation to be effective. It has to have something, location, movement, whatever, but velocity separation is not a completely essential element to a good changeup. If Glasnow finds he can throw his changeup harder and get better action/results, then he should go that way instead of forcing it to be slower.

        • I think you were just looking for a reason to reference that article, which is a good one, but there’s almost zero connection between the two.

    • Right, but the movement is vital, and all accounts point towards Glasnow not having that type of movement on it…at least not yet anyways. Those guys basically use their change ups as a splitter, and there’s plus movement. I think if glasnow can just work to control it relatively well; keep it down, throw it for strikes, that’ll be good enough for now.

  • JD is making fun of Kang! Guy only has one wheel.

    • He just stood there and pointed to where the ball was while the play went on. It wasn’t anything about speed or not wanting to run, he didn’t like the call and that’s how we get the rare 2-5-3 DP.

  • piraterican21
    April 26, 2016 4:06 pm

    WHYGMcphearson. Hammered.

    • He just lost his McFearsome nickname?

      I had high hopes for him. Prospects will break your heart.

      • In his defense, he was in amazing shape and just had too many injuries. All the downtime and surgeries have probably sapped any chance he had. Since 2012, he has 44.2 innings of work. Think of Cory Luebke basically, except McPherson was a prospect at the time, not a legit MLB starter

  • I’d love to see both TG and JT be ready to ‘fulfill their destiny’ by June so that we can eliminate Locke and Nicasio from the rotation.

  • I’m guessing his day is now over. 6 IP, 3 BR, 11 K, 0 R. Meh, I’d call that an okay outing…


    • piraterican21
      April 26, 2016 4:09 pm

      The WHIP is through the roof, or is it floor. I hate been an ESL fan.

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  • Any ideas on whether or not he’s throwing his change up?

    • hit refresh, all the details of every AB up now

      • So do you think the fact that he was able to use his change up effectively will give him the confidence to use it more?

        • I don’t think he has a choice at this point, but he may feel more confident WHEN he uses it. His usage of the pitch is likely being regulated from here on out because he didn’t throw ten of them in his first three games combined

          • I was going to ask you about an ultimatum so to speak but thought that would be a dumb question. So you think they went to him and said you’re not getting promoted unless you work on your change up – end of story.

            • It has been hinted at a couple times and to see such a drastic turnaround in one game points to him being forced to use it

          • I dont think he has a choice either. It is important to be able to get outs with pitches other than the fastball if the command is off…or the curve. The fact that there was no solid contact against the change is HUGE for him from a confidence standpoint. Level of competition today not great though.

            • Key point on competition, though at this point just gaining confidence in throwing it seems big.

              Just throw that sucker for strikes.

  • glasnow needs to be up

    • The difference between his good starts and bad starts are what keep him where he is.

      Good starts make you drool, bad starts make you realize he does have some work to do. More consistency game to game in his control and he’d be there.

      • You mean consistency like Locke has shown? Or Liriano – the first three innings of his last start were AWFUL – the last three were GREAT.

        Or consistency like Arrietta showed through out the playoffs last year – leading the cubs to the World Series by continuing to pitch like he did against the Bucs in the wild card game…

        I understand now – baseball is such a simple game…

        • Wow.

          Thats the nicest response i can think of to this beauty.

        • That response makes about as much sense as you throwing a fit all winter over Sean “Hurdle”

          • i stand by my criticism of the Sean Hurdle signing – paying a player who produced a negative WAR -0.2 for two years in a row $2.5M was idiotic. But as I have tried to say more than once – baseball is complex – and not an easy game to play. Based on what I have read S-Rod has made some significant changes in his approach – and it has led to great results – good for him – but before we “dance at half time” let us see where he ends up the year – the easy strikeouts showed up again Sunday – three of them.

            BTW good for Locke – who is making around $3M a year and has delivered significant value over the years he has been a Pirate. The Locke haters who think all you do is go out and sign 5 #1 starters who never have bad games make me SMH

            • Some people are dancing with 9:00 left in the first quarter Bruce.

            • Sean HURDLE is a much better player when he’s not being Pedro’s caddie….He was always a good super-utility guy for the Rays. He will be in that role this year and was signed to be in the role last year, but since Pedro was historically bad at playing 1b, they had Sean waiting on the bench every night until the 7th inning to replace Alvarez.

              Sometime you have to look at things from a different perspective, Bruce.

              • The data is what it is…
                2014 fWAR -0.2
                2015 fWAR -0.2
                K rate over 25% for last 3 years

                That MIGHT have justified an incentive laden contract starting around ML minimum with upside in the $2-3M range.

                Yes he is off to a hot start but he won’t/can’t sustain a .429 BABIP

                Chris Collabello of the Blue Jays had a .411 BABIP and led the majors last year – Google him and you will see what might by the reason why

                And here is an interesting fan graphs article on him and BABIP variance

            • Crickets

        • I’m pretty sure Arrieta didn’t lead the Cubs to the World Series last year. But he WAS awesome for the entire season.

      • Throwing the change effectively is certainly a positive sign though. As the article pointed out, if he does that for a few more games, he’ll be ready for sure come June 10th or so.

    • I think he has to pitch well for more than one game before that happens. His first three all showed that he wasn’t ready for MLB competition.

      • Other than the one terrible start Glasnow has a 1.13 ERA and 0.81 WHIP so if you just take the numbers as a whole he is having a great season so far. Just 4 starts but a 4.3:1 k:bb ratio is great.

        • Read the writeups on his other starts. He was able to get AAA hitters out with an arsenal that wouldn’t work vs MLB hitters. Still needs a lot of work on the change.

          • Yeah. I know. I read all of those. I’m only pointing out how dominant he was in those starts. Does anyone else hate when someone tells you to “go read something” like they are the ones in the know? I mentioned nothing about him deserving a promotion. READ MY POST again and rather than asking me to read something. Glasnow needs work on his change? Thanks, I just crawled out of a time capsule from 2013.

          • He still needs to take a few mph off his change if it was coming in at 90-91. Not enough of a difference there. 86-87 would be ideal if he’s sitting 94-96 with his fastball.

    • If you watched his last start, you would be saying he might not be ready this year. Night and day difference. Third start was awful from a prospect standpoint. One great start won’t nullify how he looked in his first three. He needs to prove today wasn’t a fluke and keep using his change. Threw it more times today in the first four innings than he did in his first three games

      • IF he can do this, like you said, for 2-3 games in a ROW…then I think it will completely alter how you look at his first three starts and then you finally say “the talent, results, AND process are just too good right now” and bring him up…I think we need to see more starts where he is at least throwing the change-up effectively. This was AWESOME to see from him…and about damn time!

        • Not only throwing it, but the control of it was big time.

          • That’s still a shitty big league changeup. Just sayin’.

            • So long as he creates a separation in velocity and throws it for strikes, thats all I really expect in his first year. Obviously that means the control overall needs to be like it was today, but I dont think he needs an average ML change up to be an upgrade over Locke.

              Just get it to where he can throw it, for a strike, and not be floating. Force a hitter to not just sit on that FB and lay off any change up.

              He has time after this season to continue to work to get that better for the longterm.

              • Sure, it’s just that little part about velocity separation that’s missing. No big deal, right? 😉

                FWIW, Durham is 10th out of 14 IL teams in runs scored and 12th in OPS.

                • Well, that can be just as much about his FB as it is the change.

                  If he can sit 94-95 with the FB, throwing 89-91 with the change is good enough. But he cant dip the FB velo to 93 and still throw the change 91. Needs to repeat his delivery and stick in the mid 90s with the FB.

                  This game isnt enough to anoint him ready, but its a huge step since its the first time we’ve seen this many change ups throw for that many strikes. Bad team or no, his control of the change is an improvement.

                  • Good enough, only on the extremes of that spectrum, and only if it also has plus movement. Otherwise, that’s the batting practice fastball he’s been talking about. Especially without command.

                    Regardless, I still believe this is more or less a power play on Huntington’s behalf. Glasnow will throw some more changeups to make him happy, and he’ll get called up in mid-June like he always was going to.

                    • Well, the reality is if he doesn’t improve his change at least to the point of being a usable pitch, not plus, but serviceable, he’s not going to excel in the majors like people want.

                      “Power play,” or not, the pitch won’t get any better if he doesn’t use it. No one realistically thought he would be ready at the beginning of the season, and the change up was just one issue.

                    • Oh I certainly agree, without a changeup it’s highly unlikely he reaches his ceiling.

                      I just think that the time to mandate a kid develop a certain pitch has to come, oh, you know, more than two months before everyone in baseball realistically knows he’s going to be called up.

                    • NMR, I agree with Huntington and yourself about Glasnow’s need more an improved and effective changeup, my only question is…does Cole use his effectively enough either? I’ve been wondering for awhile if Cole needs to work on some his other pitches. His fastball, while really good, has limited him I believe. Primary reason, I dont think he’s really a top level ace yet.

                    • Boy, he’s thrown to such great game-callers that I have a hard time questioning pitch usage, and he’s shown no signs of a lefty-righty split through his career thus far. If I had to guess, his fastball command and ability to spin two different plus breaking balls has allowed him to get away with throwing relatively few changes.

                      I do agree, though, that he’s gotta miss more bats in order to improve, and to do that he’s gonna need to throw more offspeed pitches.

                      What makes Glasnow risky to me is that he’s got nothing to fall back on if/when the breaking ball is missing in an outing. So, so much like a young AJ Burnett.

                    • It comes down to 2 things in my opinion:

                      1) Will he be better this year than Jeff Locke/Juan Nicasio/Ryan Vogelsong options?

                      2) Will it hurt his development if he has some bumps in the road in the majors in his first year which are likely to happen?

                      If the answer to the first question is “yes”, which I think it could be and the second answer is a “no” then its a no brainer to call him up by June or July in my opinion. He can continue to work on stuff at the major league level while hopefully still being better than some of our current options.

                    • That’s exactly what I’d do with him. I think it’ll actually benefit him to hit some adversity, and his stuff is good enough that it’ll probably take big league hitters to do it.

      • Very true. I though he looked rather far away his previous start. This is wonderful step in right direction. If he can consistently mix the change up for a few more startsin early June may be realistic. And that would be wonderful news.

      • The term “mid-season form” is used for a reason. Glasnow isn’t there yet, but neither are a lot of guys. It’s April 27th.

        • There was a lot more to it than that. Mainly he didn’t use his change-up at all despite the fact the curve wasn’t working. He was also showing frustration/lack of confidence on the mound, which is something you don’t see from the other three top prospects there. The bad start was more than just getting hit around a little and his curve being almost useless in the game

  • Glasnow appears to be cruising so far.