Prospect Watch: Glasnow Gets Roughed Up, Newman Continues Hot Streak

P2 Top 30

A look at how the current top 30 prospects did today.  Note that this list doesn’t include players currently in the majors. If a player is in the majors, he will be removed, everyone below him will be shifted up a spot, and a new player will be added to the bottom of the list. If a player is out for the season, he will be removed and everyone below him will move up a spot. Removing these guys doesn’t mean they have lost prospect status. It is just an attempt to get 30 active prospects on the list. Rankings are from the 2016 prospect guide, and links on each name go to their Pirates Prospects player pages.

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2. Austin Meadows, CF, Altoona – Disabled List

3. Josh Bell, 1B, Indianapolis – [insert_php] display_top30(605137,’B’,’20160421′);
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4. Jameson Taillon, RHP, Indianapolis – [insert_php] display_top30(592791,’P’,’20160421′);
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5. Alen Hanson, 2B, Indianapolis – [insert_php] display_top30(593700,’B’,’20160421′);
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6. Harold Ramirez, OF, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(623912,’B’,’20160421′);
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7. Reese McGuire, C, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(624512,’B’,’20160421′);
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8. Elias Diaz, C, Pirates – Disabled List.

9. Nick Kingham, RHP, Indianapolis – Disabled List

10. Ke’Bryan Hayes, 3B, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(663647,’B’,’20160421′);
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11. Kevin Newman, SS, Bradenton -[insert_php] display_top30(621028,’B’,’20160421′);
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12. Yeudy Garcia, RHP, Bradenton -[insert_php] display_top30(650817,’P’,’20160421′);
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13. Steven Brault, LHP, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(643230,’P’,’20160421′);
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 14. Stephen Tarpley, LHP, Bradenton – Extended Spring Training

15.Cole Tucker, SS, West Virginia – Disabled List

16. Chad Kuhl, RHP, Indianapolis – [insert_php] display_top30(641771,’P’,’20160421′);
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17. Max Moroff, 2B, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(621559,’B’,’20160421′);
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18. Mitch Keller, RHP, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(656605,’P’,’20160421′);
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19. Clay Holmes, RHP, Altoona – [insert_php] display_top30(605280,’P’,’20160421′);
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20. Willy Garcia, OF, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(591994,’B’,’20160421′);
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21. Brandon Waddell, LHP, Bradenton – [insert_php] display_top30(663399,’P’,’20160421′);
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22. Tyler Eppler, RHP, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(621169,’P’,’20160421′);
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23. Barrett Barnes, OF, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(608627,’B’,’20160421′);
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25. Gage Hinsz, RHP,  – Extended Spring Training

26. Adrian Valerio, SS, – Extended Spring Training

27. Adam Frazier, INF/OF, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(624428,’B’,’20160421′);
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28. Kevin Kramer, 2B, Bradenton -[insert_php] display_top30(596012,’B’,’20160421′);
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29. Jordan Luplow, OF/3B, Bradenton – [insert_php] display_top30(656669,’B’,’20160421′);
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30. JT Brubaker, RHP, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(664141,’P’,’20160421′);
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P2 Top Performers

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Prospect-Watch-Indy

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Tyler Glasnow made his third start on Thursday night, coming off a game in which he threw five shutout innings, with no walks and nine strikeout. In the bottom of the first inning, Glasnow started the first batter 0-2 before issuing a seven-pitch walk. The next batter grounded out to shortstop with the runner in motion. The ball wasn’t hit that hard and the play at first was close for an out, but the runner kept going and got into third base safely. The next batter walked, and that was followed by another walk to load the bases. Glasnow was not close to the zone with any of those balls and his curve was really missing bad.

With the bases loaded, the next batter did Glasnow a favor and swung at the first pitch, grounding out to first base. It brought home a run. The next batter also swung at the first pitch and hit a weak pop out to Alen Hanson at second base. Glasnow was in trouble in this inning, running his pitch count up to 21 before those last two batters. You usually wouldn’t get two straight batters swinging at the first pitches after two straight walks. He finished the inning throwing ten of his 23 pitches for strikes. All five curves he threw were out of the zone.

In the second inning, the third straight batter swung at the first pitch. This one was an out on a slow hit grounder to second base. Two pitches later, the next hitter flew out to the warning track in left center. The inning ended quickly with a four-pitch strikeout of the opposing pitcher (Homer Bailey), who looked like he was told not to swing. Nothing fancy, just four consecutive fastballs. It was a much needed short inning for Glasnow, who worked hard in the first.

The third inning started with a high fly out to the warning track in left field. After missing on one two-strike curve, Glasnow threw another that got a weak grounder to first base. It was the first curve he threw for a strike. It was followed up by another curve for a strike to the third batter. He got that batter to ground out to third base on a curve to end the inning. It was another quick inning, getting through the second and third on a total of 17 pitches. Five of the ten pitches this inning were curves, three for strikes. This was the only inning where the curve looked good.

The first pitch of the fourth nearly left the park, hitting high off the right-center wall for a double. The next batter put a bunt down for a single to put runners on the corners. After retiring eight in a row and not giving up a hit, Louisville got two hits on two pitches this inning. Glasnow struck out the next hitter on a curve in the dirt, his second strikeout of the game. The fourth hitter drove a long line drive to center field that Danny Ortiz ran down for a sacrifice fly. That was followed by a 3-0 count to the next hitter, with Glasnow coming back with three straight strikes to get the third out and his third strikeout. He showed his first signs of frustration on the mound this season in this inning, but it was actually right before those last three strikes to end the inning. He was up to 54 pitches at this point, 33 for strikes.

Louisville started the fifth with an opposite field bloop single to left field on the first pitch. Glasnow hung a curve to the next batter and he hammered a single to left field. The third batter hit a hard grounder to right of Josh Bell, who couldn’t get the glove down on it. It looked like an error, but they gave it a single, and it scored a run. Glasnow started missing badly to the next hitter to run the count full, before giving up a line drive single to center field that Danny Ortiz almost made a terrific catch on.

Glasnow struck out the next batter on a curve, his 22nd pitch of the inning and the first out. Two pitches later he got out of the inning on a 5-4-3 double play. He was showing frustration again this inning when he missed on pitches and he was throwing over to first base a lot, probably close to 20 times total in the game. This game highlighted why Glasnow isn’t ready for the majors yet. He is a two-pitch pitcher and when one pitch isn’t on, batters can look for the other. He threw around 20 curves this game and 5-6 were strikes, with a lot of the others missed badly. He gave up a lot of hard contact and it ended with him giving up twice as many runs as he allowed in his first two starts combined.

Jared Hughes took over next, coming off an outing yesterday in which he looked rusty with his command, missing on half of his sixteen pitches, which were all sinkers. He made quick work of the opposition in this game, getting two grounders and a strikeout. He mixed in his breaking ball this time and needed just 11 pitches to get out of the frame, seven going for strikes. This appearance looked much better than Wednesday’s outing.

Cory Luebke made his first rehab appearance after going on the disabled list last week with a hamstring injury. He threw two shutout innings, allowing a single and a walk. The single was just a slowly hit ball towards first base that Luebke fielded as Josh Bell charged in, leaving no one at first base for the out. He threw 29 pitches total, 20 for strikes.

Indianapolis lost 6-5 on a walk-off sacrifice fly in the bottom of the 12th. Homer Bailey started for Louisville and dominated early with five strikeouts through three scoreless innings. Alen Hanson was the only one to collect a hit off him until Jason Rogers homered to lead-off the fourth inning. It was the third homer of the season for Rogers.

The Indians scored two more runs in the fourth, starting with a Gift Ngoepe single off the left field wall. It was an embarrassing moment for Ngoepe, who thought the ball was foul and turned his back to the play, staying in the batter’s box. The ball got away from the left fielder and it’s possible Ngoepe may have got a triple on the play instead of a long single. In any event, it didn’t cost Indianapolis, as Tyler Glasnow reached on an error with two outs, scoring Ngoepe. They tallied their fourth run in the sixth inning, as pinch-hitter Dan Gamache brought home Willy Garcia with a single. One inning later, Garcia drove home Jason Rogers with a single to give Indianapolis a 5-4 lead.

Prospect-Watch-Altoona-Curve

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Cody Dickson made his third start on Thursday and went five innings, allowing four runs on six hits, with two walks and five strikeouts. He threw 86 pitches, 56 for strikes, and had a 6:4 GO/AO ratio. He looked good in the first inning, but things slowly fell apart from there. Dickson was up in the zone a lot and he had a lot of trouble with his curve. He also had a significant amount of trouble with the only lefty batter in the inning, walking him on four pitches, then hitting him in the helmet on a curve that didn’t break. There were a lot of hard hit balls, a couple going for outs, mostly off fastballs up in the zone. Dickson also made a lot of pick-off throws in this game, somewhere in the 15-20 range.

Frank Duncan followed Dickson and allowed one run over three innings, striking out four batters. In two games since joining the team late due to a Spring Training oblique injury, Duncan has allowed one run over 6.2 innings, striking out nine batters.

On offense, the Altoona bats were quiet. Harold Ramirez had a nice double down the first base line for his only hit. He’s hitting .157 through 51 at-bats. It was his third double of the season. Erich Weiss hit his third triple of the season and also drew a walk. He is hitting .318 through 13 games. Barrett Barnes and Jose Osuna singled for the only other hits. Osuna drove in the only run in the 4-1 loss. Reese McGuire walked for the eighth time. He has just three strikeouts in 33 at-bats.

Prospect-Watch-Bradenton

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Bradenton won 4-2 behind some strong pitching from starter Austin Coley and some nice hitting from the top of their lineup. Coley came into the game with 10.13 ERA in two starts, which were both abbreviated outings. He held Palm Beach to one run on two hits in this game. He needed just 68 pitches to get through his work, with 46 going for strikes. Coley had some control issues in his first two outings, but he didn’t allow a single walk in this game. He finished with four strikeouts and a 6:2 GO/AO ratio.

The bats put together 12 hits and a walk, while striking out just once in the game. Lead-off hitter Kevin Newman went 3-for-5 with an RBI, giving him a .407 average this season. He extended his hit streak to nine games. Kevin Kramer had two hits, scored a run and drove in a run. He is hitting .236 through 14 games, though he has looked better than the stats indicate. Connor Joe was in his usual third spot in the order and he had two hits and scored a run. He is batting .192 through 13 games.

Jordan Luplow hit his sixth double of the season and drove in two runs. Elvis Escobar and Jeff Roy scored the other runs for the Marauders. Bradenton hitters went 3-for-7 with runners in scoring position.

In the bullpen, Miguel Rosario threw two perfect innings, striking out two batters. Luis Heredia followed and allowed his first run of the season, giving him a 1.04 ERA. He picked up his second save by going two innings, allowing two hits, with no walks or strikeouts. Heredia threw 28 pitches, 18 for strikes and he had a 5:1 GO/AO ratio.

Prospect-Watch-WV-Power

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West Virginia was rained out. They will play a doubleheader tomorrow.

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  • I’m starting to doubt we see Glasnow this year, maybe a Sept cup of coffee. He’s nowhere near ready to contribute in a positive way to an MLB team….MLB hitters would eat him alive. I think a full year of AAA would be highly beneficial for his growth.

    • I don’t disagree with this. I’m not down on him either, but I think the time would definitely benefit him.

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    • I completely agree . He looks a long way away to me. These people calling talk shows thinking he’s gonna do a cole 2013 are taking a lot of funny pills.

    • Right now? Yeah. But, at some point, either in June, or September, or even next year, it will click. And he’ll be brought up.

      It will be like a light switch. Three starts like that, and the next will be in the majors. Wins/losses aren’t relevant. Control and that third pitch are.

  • I hope Rogers turns out to be more than a AAAA player. The Bucs could use some pop.

    • ” …use some pop ” to do what ? That isn’t going to help the pitching deficiencies right now.

  • What does NH do if Glasnow is not ready and Taillon is innings challenged?

    Or will we be out of it by the time that matters?

    • They have no shortage of prospects, even redundant ones, to use at the deadline if need be. That’s not his MO, but I’d say almost any other GM in the league save for Tampa Bay wouldn’t see this as a problem at all if they thought one arm was needed for a title run.

    • Depending on the timeline, Taillon could come up and throw into late August or September and if/when he is shut down its basically for the playoffs.

      That isnt ideal, but you’d still roll with Cole-Liriano-Niese in the playoffs and now you’ve given Glasnow months to also possibly be useful as opposed to forcing the issue in June.

      • I’m confused as to your meaning. In this scenario where Taillon is shut down by September are you insinuating Glasnow could have some innings left to fill void in rotation for end of season and possible playoffs?

        • I was saying they could feel that Taillon can go until that timeline, and roll with Cole-Liriano-Niese.

          Which would also allow for the chance that Glasnow does develop enough by late August that he can be used as a September call up in a more aggressive role.

  • I got on last night with the IOS app. However, all of the web language shows up. I assume that the developer knows about that?

  • I have gotten hammered many times for this, but two pitch pitchers end up in the bullpen or become Juan Nicasio-type pitchers.

    • Glasnow’s issue isn’t that he throws two pitches it is that he cannot consistently throw them for strikes.

      There is conventional wisdom you need three pitches to start but that doesn’t always hold Burnett, Ben Sheet, David Wells, and one Phillies starter with a ERA- of 95 were all fastball curve. Chris Archer, Garret Richards and famously Randy Johnson are/were fastball slider.

      You can be an effective starter with two main offerings, how much does Tallion throw his change up? Throwing a change up isn’t going to help if Glasnow cannot command the fastball.

      • Archer also throws a changeup that comes in about the same speed as his slider.

      • AJ didnt throw his change a ton, but he did throw it. 5-7 percent of the time during his most successful years.

        So while he leaned on his two better pitches, the third one was there and used enough. Glasnow isnt throwing it 5% of the time, and its likely not good enough to use that much.

        There is a difference between using mostly 2 pitches, and only having 2 pitches that are useful.

        Johnson ran with FB-SL-and a splitter, so effectively 3 pitches with different movement. Thats technically FB-SL, but Glasnow isnt throwing a quality two seamer or splitter.

        • If you are throwing two pitches >90% of the time you are a two pitch pitcher for all intents and purposes.

          • No, you really arent.

            Yes, you have two main pitches that you throw because they are your best pitches. But if you are throwing something 10% of the time, its not just a show me pitch.

            Arrieta uses his FB and cutter 85% of the time. That doesnt make him mostly a 2 pitch guy, because his curve is a big reason why the other stuff plays to the level it does.

            Glasnow never has to use the change up more than 5-7 percent of the time, but he cant survive if the pitch isnt good enough to be used that much. The point of the 3rd pitch is to have it be good enough to force hitters to respect it.

            • If you honestly think that Cole’s change is anything more than a show me pitch, then you don’t know what a show me pitch means…

              • Actually if you read what i said, his third pitch is his curve ball.

                Gerrit Cole operates his change up as his 4th pitch for anyone caring to watch.

            • Three pitches/start is the difference between a show me pitch and quality third MLB offering?

              Glasnow’s issue is fastball command, which is the starting point for every pitcher, lack of a change up is ancillary, and very much so.

              • Right now, Tyler Glasnow doesnt have a show me change up. He has a crap change that no one will offer at.

                Meaning he’s a 2 pitch guy. Thats a world of difference from a guy like Arrieta, who has an average 3rd pitch and uses it to allow his other stuff to play up.

                Tyler Glasnow doesnt have a change that will do anything for him right now, and that means he needs great command of everything else just to be ML ready.

                • And while we’re at it, anyone care to throw out the number of 6’8″ 23 year olds who enter the show with even *good*command?

                  It may eventually come, but this is even more unreasonable than the changeup, IMO.

                  • Fair point.

                    His control is likely to always be what he deals with. Getting it to consistent enough would seem to be the goal, but on those days where it aint good having a change up he can throw more than twice a game would be helpful.

                    If nothing else, there is no reason he shouldnt be focusing on it now and if it doesnt get better oh well. Right now, he should be throwing it a ton and working on grips that help him throw it for strikes.

                • Throwing a change up 5-7% of the time is good enough for Burnett but not Glasnow, Burnett would be insulted if you called him anything but a two pitcher pitcher, he once threw 20 plus changes so the Marlins would stop asking him to throw one.

                  Only you have labeled Arrieta a two pitch pitcher, throwing a curve 15% of the time each time through the order and an occasional change, doesn’t seem like two pitches to me.

                  The heart of the issue is does Glasnow need a third pitch to be MLB starter, I say no, because there are good number of major league starters pitching, which various degrees of success, with two pitches.

                  • And im saying you are using a really bizarre standard for what constitutes a 3rd pitch.

                    Apparently AJ would have said “yeah i use that change about 6 percentage of the time, but i dont consider it my 3rd pitch its really just this thing i do.”

                    There arent a lot of pitchers that have a totally crap 3rd pitch that survive. To do so, you need plus control. And even so, you’ll have platoon issues since you get hammered with only one offspeed offering to both sides of the plate.

                    • If you are throwing your 3rd and 4th pitch combined < 10% of the time I don't think you have much of a third pitch. That seems fairly logical to me.

                      With platoon splits it all depends on the arsenal, if Glasnow's threw primarily a two-seamer I agree with Foo, without a change up the probability of ending up in the bullpen is high.

              • That’s a dangerous oversimplification.

                Of course fastball command is Glasnow’s biggest issue, but trying to simplify the need for a changeup down to overall pitch percentage misses the point entirely.

                The point of two secondaries is to have something that works against both left and right handed hitters, which you obviously know. A right handed pitcher facing a minority of left handed hitters is very obviously going to through the secondary pitch used to get those hitters out a relatively small percentage of the time, but those are still very real, very valuable pitches.

                • Dangerous?

                  Four-seamer/curve isn’t sinker/slider, you can attack both handed hitters throwing a four seam-fastball and a curve.

                  I’m fine with my 90% cut off for two pitches, it is arbitrary but if a pitcher’s two primary pitches have terrible platoon splits he’ll be facing a lineup stacked with opposite handed hitters and won’t be throwing those two pitches as much.

                  • Dangerous in assuming that just because a select few have succeeded it means anyone can.

                    And FWIW, I’m not even close to saying Glasnow needs a third pitch just to be a big leaguer. With tightened command, I have little doubt his two plus pitches are plenty for a starter’s workload.

                    I also think “just” becoming a big league starter would be massively disappointing for a kid with his talent.

    • I wouldn’t say that…Cole is essentially a 2-pitch guy (FB-slide) he has a show me change, but nothing special. Randy Johnson is another (FB-slide). If you got a good enough FB, with movement and can locate (pitching in and out, up & down) then you can get by with just 2 pitches. Key for TG is being able to command his FB and CB, if he can ever figure that out, then he will be a very good MLB pitcher with 2 pitches and a show me change piece.

      • Cole throws his FB-SL-CB all over 10% of the time or more.

        He also has the change up. So Cole operates mainly with 3 pitches, and occasionally drops a 4th. He uses the FB and SL more, but that isnt the same as only having 2 pitches.

        Cole is not in any way a 2 pitch guy.

        • I said essentially….When he pitches it’s primarily FB-slider.

          • Every pitcher in baseball uses 2 of his pitches more than others.

            Every pitcher is “primarily” something. Thats not the same as what the discussion is with Glasnow.

            When Jake Arrieta pitches, its primarily FB and cutter. But he has a solid curve and no one calls him basically a 2 pitch guy. Thats not what that is.

            • I think you’re missing the point. Luke.

              • No, you are conflating using pitches a ton with their quality.

                Every arm will use 2 pitches the majority of the time.

                That is not them being 2 pitch pitchers. And thats a huge difference between some guys and Glasnow. Glasnow doesnt have an average 3rd pitch. Guys like Arrieta do, and use it to compliment their best stuff. Tyler Glasnow has no compliment to his 2 quality pitches, and that means when his command is off he is hammered.

                • Cole doesn’t have an average 3rd pitch.

                  • Yes, he does. You’re flat-out wrong.

                  • Cole’s rookie year his changeup was fantastic down the stretch. He didn’t use it a ton but got GREAT results with it and that’s when his fastball and other pitches started to play so well.

                  • Thats just false. Its not me being argumentative, thats just not true.

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  • When I first saw Glasnow’s box score, I wondered if it was an issue of him being forced to throw more change ups. By the sound of the write up, it appears that wasn’t the case.

    • Sounds like he didn’t throw any from the write up…I wonder why he is being so stubborn about throwing the change up? Obviously if you don’t have your breaking ball working for you and the opposition is sitting on your fast ball then it would be preferable to have that third pitch to keep them off you…I hope pirates brass force the issue sooner rather than later and make him throw 10-15 a game from here on out…

      • He IS 22……I was even more of an idiot at 22 than I am now (hard to believe, I know).

        • Oh I remember being that age as well….Good times, he has been so used to throwing 97mph past everyone and getting by that probably thinks he is good to go…couple more outings where they lay off the curve that isn’t consistent at all and crushing the fastball and then maybe he will see that those a little bit older may know what they are talking about. If not, they can simply say throw the change or stay in AAA…

      • NH kinda challenged him to throw more changeups. Apperently it didn’t sink in.

        • I’ll give him 1 more start before i really begin to get all over him. He was throwing the curve a good amount tonight, so i have just enough give to hope he was working the curve a lot tonight and his next start sees a noticeable amount of change ups.

          Because if not, he really is just not listening.

          • Well, the guy’s kind of been working on some other things. This is why he’s in the minors. People jumping on this guy is so aggravating; as if him not throwing enough change ups is the only thing. On a night where he can’t even control his first two pitches, ppl want him not commanding a third pitch as well.

            • Actually, giving him a pass is just as aggravating since it isnt the first time they’ve made it clear where he needs to work.

              I want him showing enough care to even try to develop the pitch. Last year i understood it, work on command a ton and repeat the delivery. Get the FB-CB where you want it.

              But you cant excuse it now. He’s absolutely at the time where he has to place change up development at the top of his list. Work on command and throw that change up 10 times a game. Because while he does need to keep working on command of the two better pitches, he’s got to do that same work plus a ton on the change.

              Ignoring the change up is a mistake that only gets magnified once he reaches the majors and still tries to only throw 2 pitches 95% of the time.

  • Newman is a hitting machine so far this season. Looks like he will.move to Altoona sooner then expected.

    • I think they have a fairly set schedule for him and it isn’t based strictly on performance at the plate, more of a natural progression for a player of his caliber. It could be the All-Star break like normal, or they may go when Tucker is ready to join Bradenton (those two reasons may coincide)

      • All SSS, but his OPS has risen considerably as he has moved upward from Short-Season to Lo A, and now in Hi A. This is the level where a lot of hitters experience a regression, but he seems to thrive on matching up against better pitching. At the present time he is riding a streak where he has raised his average from .290 to .407 in the just the past 6 games.

        Austin Meadows is close to joining Reese McGuire in Altoona, and I hope the Pirates allow the 3 of them to be teammates possibly even before June.

        • All-star game in the FSL is June 18th, so if you want me to guess a call-up date for Newman to Altoona, it’s a June 16th announcement, possibly June 19th if they let him play the AS game. I’ve seen both happen and I’m not sure what they base that decision on, probably just rest for the player

      • We have had this discussion before – I really think you risk doing harm to a player by leaving him at a level where he has nothing left to prove. Every player is different – but real competitors need to be tested and challenged. Get him to a place where he has to work a bit, make adjustments, dig a bit deeper rather than going out every night and getting two or three hits off of guys who are “easy” for him to hit.

        • The problem is that they want him to play shortstop and right now he is marginal at it. He could probably play there full-time, but you wouldn’t get anything more than average defense from him. Rushing him through the system because the bat is advanced would indicate that they are fine with him being a marginal defender, whose current level of play would stay the same, while the game speeds up the higher you go, leading to worse defense short-term. Or they could give him time to adjust to game speed at each level and move him at a natural progression.

          If a shortstop with defense like Gift Ngoepe was in High-A had a hot streak with the bat like Newman, then you could think about moving him right away, because the bat would be catching up to the defense and then you’re not challenging him two ways. Newman needs to play shortstop because he is far from the best in the system at that position. They want a complete player when they call him up, not just to get him to the majors as fast as possible and hope he turns into a complete player.

          Adjustment to game speed is the big issue in the minors. They are all playing the same game and everyone can play the game. Newman has an advanced bat, but that doesn’t mean he is ready. The other day he lined one into the gap and decided out of the box he was going for two bases. He was out by so much that the announcer had time to tell you he shouldn’t be doing that, he’s going to be out by a lot, then the tag was made. That is part of getting used to the speed at higher levels.

          I saw him unnecessarily rush a throw on force play at second base, then one play after throwing the ball away, he threw the ball underhand from about six feet away from Kevin Kramer and handcuffed him with a low throw. Then he rushed a throw from an awkward angle on a routine grounder that beat the runner by a good 15 feet. It was all internal timing issues, not physical. Just part of getting used to the speed.

          • Thanks for the great response…

            Did not realize he had work to do defensively

            Hopefully he can make progress over the next few weeks and move to Altoona mid -June and continue to develop.

            Hopefully he won’t develop bad habits beating up overmatched pitchers

  • Glasnow looking really meh tonight. On a night like this he would get eaten alive by mlb bats. Hard to believe what a disaster our mlb rotation has become.

    • I love our expectations have changed. We’re 8-8 and our pitching staff is a “disaster”. Not just disappointing but a disaster.

      • We have one of worst rotations in baseball based on DIPS. A number 2 pitcher pitching as bad as he has since before he met searage. A back of rotation guy who changed his delivery and has a fip over 6. And a 2 pitch reliever masquerading as a starter.

        • I get what your saying but help is on the way and Liriano will pitch better.

          • Help when? In mid June. I hold out hope for Taillon and although I think he should be better than our 4 or 5 guys I don’t view him as same pedigree as Cole who came and contributed mightily as a rookie. I can’t just assume Liriano returns to his prior form. There are a few red flags within his plate discipline numbers which make me curious if there is something more going on than we know.

            As far as Glasnow and this talk about his arrival? I laugh when some mention Super2 concerns because as others have said I’m not at all convinced he should be called up at all this year based on some of the stuff I’ve seen.

            As far as contributions this year I’m I actually have higher hopes for Kuhl. I’m not saying he doesn’t have work to do or that his ceiling is nearly as high as Glasnow’s but his command/control look much closer and if he can refine his secondary pitches I think he might be OK.

            NH and co have a pretty good track record but there is no excusing the pitching Hurdle has to work with. And that’s not Monday morning quarterbacking. Could have at least given him another quality reliever to work with. They mentioned in Winter that they would stretch out Nicasio as insurance. And with Ryan Vogelsong and Jeff Locke is it really any shock you had to cash in that insurance.

          • I think Liriano has to be a bit of a concern for *why* he’s pitching so poorly.

            Guys have just stopped chasing. It’s only two starts, but those two starts were against really bad ball clubs, and they combined to chase about 13% less than Liriano averaged last year while also whiffing 6% less. He’s actually thrown a slightly *higher* percentage of pitches in the zone.

            If hitters don’t chase Liriano, Liriano isn’t much a pitcher.

            • Exactly

              • FWIW, Liriano has never gone two starts with a chase rate under 25% since becoming a Pirate.

                It’s only two starts, but it’s two starts that haven’t happened before.

  • Any reason why Glasgow shows DNP?

  • Glasgow looks like he is ready to start for the pirates. Three walks in one inning. Matched the results Bucs are getting in San Diego.

  • Whoa!

    Awesome new format. You folks really using our subscription money to improve.

    • ? What are you talking about? This was the format all last year too.

      • The pictures for each team with “game notes” written into the pictures are rather recent. Started that about ten days ago, give or take. Gives it a nicer and cleaner look.

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