Morning Report: Is This the Best We Have Seen From Jameson Taillon?

Jameson Taillon is making his sixth start of the season tonight. He has a 1.19 ERA, 0.76 WHIP and a 3:26 BB/SO ratio. In his worst outing, he allowed two runs. Taillon is dominating in Triple-A, which was the level he was at pre-injury. The difference is that back in 2013 after he got to Indianapolis, he allowed two runs in one of his best outings, not his worst.

Taillon put in three full seasons before his injury, working his way from Low-A where he made his debut in 2011, up to Indianapolis for six starts at the end of 2013. What I wanted to do here is look for his best five game stretches each year, just to compare what he is doing now, with the Taillon we saw in the past.

In 2011, Taillon was very limited with his pitches. So even when he had good games, he never pitched into the sixth inning all season. In fact, the majority of his 23 starts were four innings or less. That makes it hard to find a comparable streak to what he is doing now. His best month was June, when he had a 2.70 ERA in 16.2 innings(four starts), with no walks and 18 strikeouts. His best stretch of five games included all of June and his first July start, when he allowed two runs over 3.2 innings.

Taillon had a stretch near the beginning of the 2012 season that is very similar to his current one. That streak actually gives him something to shoot for with his start tonight. From April 13 through May 4, while with the Bradenton Marauders, he made five starts and threw 27 innings. Taillon allowed 17 hits, four walks and he had 27 strikeouts. He posted a 1.33 ERA. In his next start, he threw six shutout innings, so he would need a strong performance tonight to match this 2012 stretch.

After that impressive streak, things actually fell apart for him. I was here for it and there was some panic among the fans. From May 16 through June 13, he had an 8.13 ERA over 31 innings. He surrendered 41 hits, ten walks and opposing batters had an .891 OPS. He finally brought joy back to Pirate Land when he followed that up with a one-hit shutout over seven innings.

That wasn’t all he did that 2012 season, as he actually finished better than he started. In six outings from July 30 to August 26, he had an 0.82 ERA over 33 innings, with 20 hits, six walks and 27 strikeouts. This current streak he is on is impressive, especially due to missed time, but it’s something we saw twice with him during the 2012 season, with the last two starts of the second streak coming after he was promoted to Altoona.

In 2013, he had a terrific month of June, at least for ERA. In 23 innings, he posted a 1.96 mark. The only issue when you compare it to the current streak is that his WHIP was 1.26, which basically means an extra runner every two innings. He also had 13 strikeouts, so that was a low rate for him back then. His best five game stretch was a 2.30 ERA, which includes all of June and his July 1st start, when he allowed two runs over 4.1 innings.

So we have seen Taillon pitch this well twice, but between those two streaks in 2012, he also had his worst stretch of his career. I don’t think too many people will mind if that repeats itself, because that bad stretch will be before he gets called up. You wouldn’t mind that trade-off if it means seeing him pitch lights out after the trade deadline in the majors.


Source: FanGraphs


Today’s Starter and Notes: The Pirates won 10-5 over the Cardinals on Sunday afternoon. They now travel to Cincinnati to play the Reds. Jon Niese will be on the mound, making his seventh start. He has given up at least four runs in all but one of his starts this season, including all three road performances. The Reds will counter with Dan Straily, who has a 3.56 ERA in 30.1 innings. He faced the Pirates on April 29th and allowed two runs over six innings. He also faced them on April 10th as a reliever and threw three shutout innings.

In the minors, Jameson Taillon will be making his sixth start of the season. He is second in the International League in ERA with a 1.19 mark(0.02 behind first place) and first with an 0.76 WHIP (just ahead of Chad Kuhl). Taillon has not allowed more than two runs in any start.

For West Virginia, Mitch Keller also makes his sixth start. He is second in the South Atlantic League with an 0.96 ERA and first with an 0.61 WHIP. Keller is sixth in the league with 34 strikeouts.

MLB: Pittsburgh (17-14) @ Reds (13-19) 7:10 PM
Probable starter: Jon Niese (5.94 ERA, 14:25 BB/SO, 33.1 IP)

AAA: Indianapolis (15-13) @ Syracuse (17-12) 6:35 PM (season preview)
Probable starter: Jameson Taillon (1.19 ERA, 3:26 BB/SO, 30.1 IP)

AA: Altoona (14-16) vs Trenton (16-12) 6:00 PM (season preview)
Probable starter: David Whitehead (5.64 ERA, 22:14 BB/SO, 22.1 IP)

High-A: Bradenton (14-15) vs Ft Myers (17-13) 6:30 PM (season preview)
Probable starter: Alex McRae (2.61 ERA, 12:11 BB/SO, 31.0 IP)

Low-A: West Virginia (16-13) vs Hagerstown (20-9) 7:05 PM (season preview)
Probable starter: Mitch Keller (0.96 ERA, 2:34 BB/SO, 28.0 IP)


Here is the 11th strikeout of the game from Tyler Glasnow on Saturday. It tied his season-high for strikeouts.


5/8: Cole Tucker added to West Virginia Power roster. Logan Ratledge assigned to Extended Spring Training.

5/7: Billy Roth added to West Virginia Power roster.

5/6: Jung-ho Kang activated from disabled list.

5/6: Mel Rojas Jr. assigned to Extended Spring Training.

5/5: Jason Rogers optioned to Indianapolis.

5/2: Jason Creasy placed on disabled list. Brandon Waddell promoted to Altoona

5/2: Tate Scioneaux promoted to Bradenton.

4/30: Jared Hughes activated from the disabled list. Rob Scahill sent to Indianapolis.

4/27: Sam Street placed on the temporary inactive list. Jose Regalado added to Bradenton.

4/25: Pedro Florimon added to Indianapolis roster. Antoan Richardson released.

4/25: Austin Meadows added to Altoona roster. Justin Maffei assigned to Morgantown.

4/25: Jake Burnette placed on disabled list. Logan Ratledge assigned to West Virginia.


Three former Pittsburgh Pirates players born on this date, and a game from 79 years ago that seemed like the Pirates were playing the Pirates. Players born on this date include 1952 first baseman Tony Bartirome, who was signed the previous year by Pie Traynor. His playing career wasn’t that memorable, but older fans might recognize the name because he was the trainer for the Pirates for 19 seasons, include two World Series (1971 and 1979) seasons. So you could say that Traynor signed the trainer.

Also born on this date, Culley Rickard, who played for the Pirates from 1941-42 and then again in 1947. In between, he served three years in the military during WWII. He had his arm broken by a line drive during the 1942 season, with the incident happening when he was throwing batting practice. Finally, catcher Dan Sullivan, who caught one game on Opening Day of the 1886 season when the Pirates (then called Alleghenys) played their only Opening Day doubleheader. He went 0-for-4 with two errors and it ended up being the last game of his five-year career.

On this date in 1937, the Pirates faced a Braves team that used six players that had either already played for the Pirates, or would later in their career. The team was also managed by Bill McKechnie, who played for and managed the Pirates. The Braves (who were also called the Bees back then) used former/future Pirates Deb Garms, Vince DiMaggio, Al Lopez, Elbie Fletcher, Tommy Thevenow and Guy Bush in the game. Pittsburgh won and moved to 11-3 on the season. You can view the boxscore here.

  • Maybe Tallion just has a new fully functioning UCL.

  • The difference between Taillon during the 2016 season and past seasons? Taillon used his rehab time to get to the place he needed to be in order for him to reach the next plateau on his developmental path. His mechanics have improved to such a degree that he does not need to overthrow his fastball because he can now keep the pitch low in the strikezone and can easily pitch to spots because he has eliminated the erratic movements in his delivery.

    What is telling about his current run of strong games is he has achieved this success after missing two years and has dominated AAA and AAAA hitters.

  • Kris Mosley
    May 9, 2016 1:40 pm

    With the way this club is hitting, we really just need at least 6 solid innings from the starters every night. Even with Watsons slight struggles I still trust the back 3 of the pen every night.

    The starters not going deep has exposed the middle relief by putting them into too many medium to high leverage situations.

    Every single lineup regular has a wRC+ above 100…
    And Kang is only going to make that better.

    The middle of June can’t come soon enough to give the pitching staff some reinforcements.

    • Kris Mosley
      May 10, 2016 8:43 am

      Of course last night we get almost 7 solid innings, and the bats are quiet.

  • NMR, Yes, the Reds, who I think they are 3-3 against? A nice pitching dominated sweep would do a lot to make me feel pretty good about where this team is headed. I wish they would just go get a bullpen piece right now instead of tinkering around. They almost have too much confidence in their ability to make guys into pitchers. We all know they are going to acquire a bullpen guy or two in two months so why not get one now?

    • My thought, and I know we disagreed on this over the winter, is that they just really aren’t interested in actually competing for the division. The Cubs are clearly in another class, the club management has put together is absolutely good enough to compete for a wild card spot, and that’s enough for them. The value of a few extra wins, to them, isn’t worth it.

      I don’t necessarily like it, as a fan, but objectively it isn’t terrible strategy. Build a team good enough for the wild card, put some fans in seats, save resources, and leave plenty of openings for prospects (after “they’re ready”, of course).

      After a month+ of baseball, this seems to be pretty clear, but I’m obviously biased.

      • I think this is absolutely accurate.

        Considering the Pirates only topped the Cubs by a game last season, then Chicago went on a spending spree with Zobrist, Lackey, and Heyward…and the Pirates countered with Jaso, Vogelsong, Nicasio, and Feliz…I think it was rather evident the Bucs weren’t attempting to be the better team.

        This team was hoping for a WC while praying that Rizzo, Bryant, and Arrieta would slip and fall down a flight of stairs prior to opening day.

        • And beyond this, while it would have been far better to bring in Happ and a bullpen arm, that doesnt put us on CHC’s level.

          So while we all can agree we could have and should have brought in more depth this offseason, anyone thinking Happ+1 bullpen arm=us being on the Cubs level doesnt appreciate how silly the Cubs are making the league look right now.

          • Anyone think that an .800 win % is sustainable? I’m too lazy to look up the 1927 Yankees record. But I bet they won only 2 out of every 3.

            • They wont sustain this, but a start like this does make them actually winning 100 games more likely.

              I thought they may be more “really good” than insane, but another half month of play like this and they’ll fall into 95 wins unless it all goes awry.

      • freddylang
        May 9, 2016 1:05 pm

        You could be right but there was no way to predict the Cubs would be this good. Even if you though of the Cubs as a 95-100 win team the pirates were a 98 win team. Getting rid of walker, Pedro, and a few relievers wasn’t reason to think they were far away from Cubs…but only adding Niese and one ok reliever basically was an ultra conservative approach to keeping up with the Cubs and cards. I understand not giving up the farm for a #3 but I feel like they left money on the table for a decent reliever at least. Take one schlub out of the pen and put one guy with a 3.00 era and 1.2 whip in there and I think it makes a big difference…especially with all the high scoring and close-late games they played. I think they also are banking on a rare AAA rotation giving them a boost…I just hate conceding even 1-3 wins in April/May in the best 1,2,3 at the top division in baseball in maybe 10 years.

        • freddylang
          May 9, 2016 1:11 pm

          …and the thought of this fo playing for a wild card sickens me. They of all fo should know better than to think that is enough. Hoping Glasnow/taillon bail you out looks even better now than 6 weeks ago but it’s still not the most stable plan for repeating a 95+ win season. You are not wrong to say they were reserved to the fact they wouldn’t win 98 this year. But they were probably hoping the cards would win 90 and the Cubs 91, and maybe they could squeeze out 92,93 with breakthrough youth, better defense, and a more consistent offense. The Cubs have blown that to hell.

          • I disagree. It might sting to quasi-punt on a season, but the Pirates were caught in-between. They didn’t have the players on the roster to compete with the Cubs, and they didn’t have them ready at AAA. Outside of overpaying on the FA market or greatly depleting the farm system with trades, there wasn’t much to do except roll the dice on some low-cost help.

            Everybody wants to win, but: “LET’S WIN NOW!” is a dangerous road to go down. Heck, look at the Yankees who are paying 4 players, all 35+ years old, over $80M this year or the Diamondbacks who made a disastrous trade and committed $200M+ to bolster their pitcher staff and neither team is at .500.

            I’d say the Pirates did the smart thing…put the players on the field who can get you to 90ish wins, hope a few things break the right way, and get the young guys up and ready to fully contribute in ’17.

            • Totally agree. I’d rather take a bunch of swings with a WC berth and hope to get hot for a month than to go for broke and mortgage future years for a slightly better team in one season.

            • I agree with most of what you said here, Blaine. The part I disagree with is “Outside of overpaying on the FA market or greatly depleting the farm system with trades, there wasn’t much to do except roll the dice on some low-cost help.”
              There were better options available, options with a better track record than Ryan Vogelsong and Jonathan Niese, and options that would not have broken the Pirates budget. What’s done is done, but at this point, it is quite apparent that they did not adequately replace Burnett, Happ, Bastardo, and Blanton, and we now have to hope that the Bucs can stay within reasonable distance of the Cubs until Taillon and Glasnow arrive, and then hope that those two can jumpstart the starting rotation. That and some tweaking in late July is our only hope. I do not see this pitching staff, as presently constituted, as being even good enough to garner one of the wild card berths.

              • Yes.

                No single narrative has been overplayed on Pirates internet than “mortgaging the future”. It’s such a ridiculous myth.

                The Pirates have such a strong system and financial standing that Huntington couldn’t have “mortgaged the future” if he tried. One damn trade or signing – hell, one of each in the same year – only hurts your club significantly in the future if your system was crap in the first place, and in that case, you may as well push the chips in now because you’re going to suck in the future anyways.

              • I don’t disagree there were better options available.

                However, the reality is…it was hard to know what they were.

                For instance, Rich Hill looked like a huge overpay for Oakland…and he’s been a stud. Bud Norris looked like one of the steals of low-priced free agents and, prior to the season, I would’ve killed to have him over Vogelsong…oops…

                And, let’s not forget…as far as better options…I’ll be the first to say give me a plate of crow for all the bitching I did about S-Rod and how the Pirates could’ve spent less and gotten more.

                I will not argue the Pirates didn’t adequately replace their losses. They paid Happ about $3M last season…they weren’t going to replace his production for that. They only paid Burnett $8.5M in 2016, and that was because A.J. was crazy enough to leave $4M on the table with Philly…someone of his quality is not going to be pitching for less than $13M.

                So, yeah, the Pirates didn’t replace what they lost, but they weren’t a lock to do it unless they were comfortable increasing payroll another $20M+…in addition to raises…and we all know that’s not going to happen. I mean…look at the price of BP pitching this season…as solid as Bastardo was through his career, he came to the Pirates for $3.1M in ’15…this year the team spent $3.9M for a reclamation project in Feliz.

                And now I’ll just say this and let everyone get super-pissed 🙂

                Niese has pitched like garbage this year, but the Pirates are 5-1 in his starts. As bad as he’s been, it’s hard to paint a picture where his performance has hurt the Pirates. About the best you can do is claim that, because he doesn’t go deep into games…maybe he’s wearing out the BP arms. That’s really about it.

                While the Pirates have major holes with regards to their pitching, I still tend to look at the bright side…right now they’re sitting two games ahead of last year’s pace. The sky isn’t falling quite yet.

            • Come on, man! You’re better than week “Yankees” straw men.

              There’s an *enormous* gap between “Yankees” and literally never taking a risk, which is the end of the spectrum where the Pirates currently sit.

              • Not straw-manning it…I was simply pointing out that when teams get in a “We’ve gotta win right now” mode, it can be very dangerous. No, the Pirates aren’t going to go out and sign a bunch of guys to bloated contracts, but to get into a position where they’re overpaying is going to have long term consequences…and they probably aren’t going to be good.

                The post I was responding was about keeping up with Cubs. Between Lackey, Heyward, and Zobrist, the Cubs committed $47M+ in 2016 payroll. The Pirates weren’t going to hang with that by signing Happ.

            • franchises that want to win championships don’t really get caught in between. 98 win team…if you want now you just don’t punt…you spend a little more or give up a little more. They did neither. It’s ok, they did what they did. It’s a conservative approach they have…but at some point you have to take some risks to win it all. Just resigning yourself to the fact that the Cubs are good is nonsensical. Someone is always gonna be good when you have the cards in the division. Still, it’s not to say they won’t take some risks down the road this year with their young talent pool.

        • The Pirates may have been a 98 win team…but there was some luck involved in that. In the past 15 seasons, there’ve only been 21 95 win teams in the NL…

          Even with the Pirates and Cubs averaging 97.5 wins last season, the average win total for a Wild Card team since 2012 is just 91.

          So, putting out enough to win 90 isn’t all that shabby.

          • freddylang
            May 9, 2016 1:49 pm

            90 wins is great. But putting more wins and maybe the division out of reach in April/may is t ideal. Especially when you got knocked out in the play in two straight years. I would take the play in again this year though. It’s at least a 50/50 raffle ticket. I still can’t believe the mlb has the nerve to call that game a playoff.

            • The Pirates aren’t out of the division race at all.

              The Cubs will come back to earth. And, if they don’t…the Pirates were never going to contend with a 130 win team 🙂

              • freddylang
                May 9, 2016 2:21 pm

                Hey! They are only on pace for 129.6 wins! They definitely aren’t out. Nothing a 2-8 stretch for the Cubs can’t fix. But the Cubs loaded up and got the hot start…so the bucks will be playing catchup all summer. At least they have the experience doing it last year. The other thing is while the pirates are out getting decent bargains at the deadline the Cubs will get whoever they want…although they may not need to do anything too extreme.

            • I’m with freddy on this one.

              How many more seasons should fans be content assuming nothing more could’ve been done to win the Division? First it was the Cardinals, now the Cubs, before even that stretch the Reds and Brewers all somehow managed to win Division titles, yet I’m supposed to believe that there’s nothing management could’ve done along the way to win one of their own, and avoid the one-game playoff, without damning the organization to rebuilding hell? Hey, that may be true, but it’s an awwwfully convenient excuse.

              There were no shortage of folks who predicted the exact mistakes this FO made over the winter, and while solving those issues wouldn’t have put them neck-and-neck with the Cubs they would’ve kept them a hell of a lot closer to “shit happens” range.

              • I’m very content with a team that has the 2nd best record in all of baseball the last three years, and I believe will win 95+ games this year and finish 2nd in the division. Some luck needs to break your way to win the World Series. The front office is building an organization that can run a 570-600 win pct team each year and that’s all I expect at this point in the season. If summer rolls around and we have a shot at the division, then I trust they will make the right moves then.

              • freddylang
                May 9, 2016 3:37 pm

                Yes. For me as a fan the “I’m just happy they are fielding a solid team” period ended last summer when I saw how good they were with happ in the rotation and a few decent relievers added. Then when they drew the Cubs in the play-in and finished just behind the Cards it made me think of the first two months and what just a few extra pitchers would have done for them. Everyone knew that Niese as your #3 was not ideal. We hear how important is to lower the arbitration cost by avoiding the super two…that is fine but as a team that won 98 games you should be willing to pay more to not have Niese as your 3. Regardless of what is at Indy it’s kind of embarrassing. I don’t want to harp on the Happ thing either but what if they didn’t find Nicasio? I don’t know…they just seem a little deficient with what they started with compared to a team that thinks of itself as a World Series contender. The Royals can spend a little because they know they are good and they want to make sure they stay that way…so can the Pirates.

                • Yes, yes, yes. *This* is exactly why I was far more critical towards the beginning of winter than I have ever been at any moment under Huntington.

                  Maybe I’m the sucker, but I truly believed this club was close to reaching their peak, and it was practically possible to do so. Once it became clear those moves would not be made – hell, even attempted – I became pretty damn jaded, admittedly.

                • That’s over now, though, my expectations have been lowered, and as long as they make the wild card and actually get their prospects quality big league experience in preparation for next year I’ll consider the season generally successful.

  • Over/under on HRs against Niese at Great American = 3?

    Should be Tailon starting for the Bucs IMHO

    • 3.5 on the homer call—- Starting pitching is not relevant with this team. They average 4.5 innings per start. They could bring up JT or TG and put them in the bullpen and use them for long relief. This means every game with this staff.

    • freddylang
      May 9, 2016 1:14 pm

      can I double down on 3 in 3 innings?

  • Howabout those relievers that we could’ve/should’ve kept?

    Bastardo has a 2.51 ERA / 2.65 FIP with a 1.2 WHIP.
    Soria has a 4.11 ERA / 4.83 FIP, 1.50 WHIP.
    Joe Blanton has a 6.04 ERA / 5.88 FIP and a 1.63 WHIP.

    We were doomed no matter who we kept or brought in?

    • John Dreker
      May 9, 2016 10:44 am

      I believe the only one they really tried to keep was Bastardo and those aren’t bad numbers from him. Mets just really wanted him and paid for it. He’s getting $6.6M next year

      • They gave Bastardo a 2 year-8 million offer that we all knew was gonna get beat. That just showed how bad the market was w LH stud relievers. I’m betting NH comes up big Co e the deadline unless Locke proves to be a big reliever which I have my doubts.

      • did you check out the Phillies closer with 11 saves?

        • I always liked that guy, he was nothing but effective for the Bucs.

        • John Dreker
          May 9, 2016 1:11 pm

          I did and I thought they should have kept Gomez last year. I don’t think he is a legit closer type, but he was/is a solid long reliever

          • I thought Gomez was excellent in that role. Soria gave me the heebie jeebies every time he came in last year it seemed. Glad they didn’t keep him.

    • Happ 4-0 with 2.50 ERA/4.44 xFIP and avg fGS 57

      Pirate starters Avg fGS
      Cole 51
      Liriano 51`
      Nicosio 50
      Locke 44
      Niese 38

      The right move would have been to sign Happ – pass on Niese – get a prospect or two back for Walker and use Niese/Voglesong money to pay Happ

    • At leAst one of the three for sure lee.

  • Regarding Taillon and Glasnow………..

    Just countin’ the days til sometime in June!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • So you could say that Traynor signed the trainer.

    Good line.

    • Yes Smoochie very good line. It brought a little bit of sunshine for the week.

  • Really nice to see the big club affirm their dominance over a disappointing yet fairly potent Cardinals club. Also great to see John Jaso break out of an ugly slump, and the offense in general bounce back after getting dominated by good pitching.

    On the not-so-nice side, Clint Hurdle continues his quest to embarrass Huntington by demonstrating his eight-man bullpen contains four, at most, actual Major League pitchers.

    Now back to beating up on a AAAA club before resuming their Major League schedule.

    • Mr. Futon Man:
      I agree with about 87.67% of your comments. Jaso has been a big addition which has totally shocked me. Many want to bring Bell up now but Jaso has achieved significant consideration to keep his position. Can you imagine if we had these results from our first base position last season? Totally agree about Manager Blowhard.

      • Cole gets the least respect from umpires for an elite pitcher that I have ever seen. He rarely gets the corners. I think sometimes he has a mental issue with the umpires and their lack of willingness to give him some pitches

        • Problem is he has the wrong letter on his uniform: If his shirt said “NY”, “LA” or a “C” with an Ursine on it, he’d get them all day

        • I’ve been saying for the last two years. If they did one of their studies on what pitcher gets more strikes called balls that would be interesting. Again, through black and gold eyes.

    • Well I am not sure that was “dominance” – but I quibble. And the Reds have played the Bucs well – especially at the band box that is Great American…
      Lots of folks seem to think Cole pitched OK yesterday – but that was not a quality start for an elite pitcher – 100 pitches to get to through 6th is not close to what this team needs from him.
      Looks like his next start is vs Arietta in Chicago – that should be telling…

      To your point on the pathetic bullpen, I found it ironic that Hurdle had to use Liriano to pinch hit because of the short bench to carry one more incompetent relievers…

      • I do think some of the Cole worries are overblown right now, but still, he clearly has yet to find his command. Couldn’t tell you if it’s general rust, a bit of the injury lingering, or mechanical, but whatever the reason he’s still not right.

        Such a great point about the bench. Rodriguez and Joyce playing out of their minds over the first month has covered over what in reality is an extremely shallow bench, due in no small part to the bullpen. My goodness. There’s not even any way to twist stats to fits a silver lining narrative right now with the pen.

      • Get you starters to start having quality starts of 6-7 innings and maybe we could send a reliever down. but, we cannot wear out the four good relievers we have,

      • Well Bruce, you don’t make the rules in regards to a quality start. Cole did in fact have a quality start, as did Locke in the Cardinal series. Perhaps, you should keep your focus on No List and Sean Hurdle

        • What “rule” are you refering ro – which rule book should I look it up in?

          Bill James came up with the Game Score medic because he thought that the whole Quality Start idea was silly…
          Cole had a game score of 57 in St. Louis – good – not great – 60 is considered by many to be the threshold for quality starts in the Game Score world

  • freddylang
    May 9, 2016 9:53 am

    Cole is 43-23 with a 2.91 fip for his career so taillon and Cole are nowhere near him in anything other than potential. Taillon has higher floor than glasnow but Cole’s floor has already been established, and it’s in a high rise apartment. He has had nearly an elite start to his career. His fip is 3.10 right now for this season, real close to his career number. If i have one gripe about Cole it seems to me like he struggles too much sometimes compared to his stuff. He is cruising along then gets into a jam and big inning. Then after the game you see how few baserunners he had yet he gave up 3-4 runs. It’s like the opposite of the pirates offense where they have 15 baserunners and score 3. I still feel like Cole will have a year this all evens out and he has about a 2.30 era. I hope before he is a yankee

    • Plus he has turned into a hockey yinzer!

    • Cole will be a Dodger or Angel when the time comes. Career stats are for “settlers” – the Cole of 2016 looks like s #3 for most rotations – too many pitches and too many runners.

      • Career starts are for settlers but yet you focus on 6-7 starts. Plus Cole was solid yesterday against a solid lineup so he appears headed in right direction. Cole grew up a huge Yankees fan by the way.

        • Good starters go 7+ innings – not 6.

          • freddylang
            May 9, 2016 1:25 pm

            You are impossibly negative Bruce. You are gonna undo everything Cole has done and imply he’s not a good starter. There are plenty of starters that average about 6 ip per year and are pretty damn good. Cole has not been efficient this year but he faced the Cubs, cards, who are patient good hitting teams and the Rockies in Colorado right? Not to mention he was hurt and was a little behind coming in. His season is a disappointment so far but it is hardly something to lose faith in him over. One dominantstart for 7-8 innings and he’s pretty close to we expect him to be statistically.

          • Agree BH. NUMBER 1 starters halt a looking streak. Number 1 starters demand the clubhouse respect. Number 1 starters go on short rest or notice. Pitchers that are No. 1 are Hamels, Palmer, Clemons, Ryan. Cole is a #3.

          • Well then, there were 3 good starters in the MLB last year.

      • Agreed and patient, good hitting teams can wait him out and sit on that fastball that he relies too much on.

      • piraterican21
        May 9, 2016 12:18 pm

        I want to start by saying that you are entitled to your opinions, but you are quite the Debbie downer, but I love it. You wrote how bad Jaso is yesterday or the day before and he went out and had a 3 hit day with a hr and double, so what I’m saying is to keep it up!

        • Jaso WAS in a horrible slump before the Cardinal series – that is factual. He is still hitting just .238 over the past two weeks after yesterday’s three hit game. Would be nice if he is out of his slump but remember we though Cutch was on his way after 3 HR game in Colorado.

          • Gee Bruce, you really like to cherry pick stats in order to make a point. Jaso is having a great year, not to mention he doesn’t have one single error

    • Nah….West coast. Take your pick, Dodgers, Angels, maybe Giants but that maybe to far north. I don’t think Padres.

      • Cole very well could head west but he loved the Yankees growing up…and the Yankees are always in the running for a top free agent

        • A big thing to consider….His family, wife’s family are all out west. New York is a long way and with the Yankees they won’t get too many chances to see him pitch. No matter where he goes he will add big time to the 8M bonus.

  • Maybe Cole is just in a funk but I’m starting to wonder if both Glasnow and Taillon have higher ceilings than Cole. At the very least, I think Taillon has the higher floor. He seems more cerebral than Cole. He may not have the pure stuff that Cole does but he seems to have a better grasp on preparation and pitching overall.

  • In deference to Elizabeth Warren and her “POW WOW CHOW” the Atlanta Braves should go back to their original name THE BEES. Now batting for the BEES Chippa Jones.

    • John Dreker
      May 9, 2016 8:21 am

      Their original name was the Red Stockings, because the Braves actually started as the famous Cincinnati Red Stockings team in 1869 that went undefeated. Then the core of the team became the Boston Red Stockings in the National Association in 1871 and when that league transformed into the National League five years later, they were a charter member. I personally like the 1890’s name the best, the Beaneaters. They were also called the Doves for awhile, but that was named after their owner John Dovey, not the bird.

      • Now batting for the BEANEATERS Chippa Jones.

        • freddylang
          May 9, 2016 9:57 am

          Now batting for the braves…Freddie freeman and a bunch of nothing…although it’s good to see chase d’arnaud up and having a few good games for the braves.