P2 Top 30

A look at how the current top 30 prospects did today.  Note that this list doesn’t include players currently in the majors. If a player is in the majors, he will be removed, everyone below him will be shifted up a spot, and a new player will be added to the bottom of the list. If a player is out for the season, he will be removed and everyone below him will move up a spot. Removing these guys doesn’t mean they have lost prospect status. It is just an attempt to get 30 active prospects on the list. Rankings are from the 2016 prospect guide, and links on each name go to their Pirates Prospects player pages.

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2. Austin Meadows, CF, Altoona – [insert_php] display_top30(640457,’B’,’20160607′);
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3. Josh Bell, 1B, Indianapolis – [insert_php] display_top30(605137,’B’,’20160607′);
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4. Jameson Taillon, RHP, Indianapolis – [insert_php] display_top30(592791,’P’,’20160607′);
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5. Alen Hanson, 2B, Indianapolis – [insert_php] display_top30(593700,’B’,’20160607′);
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6. Harold Ramirez, OF, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(623912,’B’,’20160607′);
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7. Reese McGuire, C, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(624512,’B’,’20160607′);
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8. Elias Diaz, C, Pirates – Disabled List.

9. Nick Kingham, RHP, Indianapolis – Disabled List

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11. Kevin Newman, SS, Bradenton – Disabled List

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13. Steven Brault, LHP, Indianapolis – Disabled List

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15.Cole Tucker, SS, Bradenton – [insert_php] display_top30(657061,’B’,’20160607′);
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18. Mitch Keller, RHP, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(656605,’P’,’20160607′);
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19. Clay Holmes, RHP, Altoona – [insert_php] display_top30(605280,’P’,’20160607′);
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20. Willy Garcia, OF, Indianapolis -[insert_php] display_top30(591994,’B’,’20160607′);
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21. Brandon Waddell, LHP, Altoona – [insert_php] display_top30(663399,’P’,’20160607′);
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22. Tyler Eppler, RHP, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(621169,’P’,’20160607′);
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23. Barrett Barnes, OF, Altoona -[insert_php] display_top30(608627,’B’,’20160607′);
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24. Trevor Williams, RHP, Indianapolis – [insert_php] display_top30(592866,’P’,’20160607′);
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26. Adrian Valerio, SS – Extended Spring Training

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28. Kevin Kramer, 2B, Bradenton -[insert_php] display_top30(596012,’B’,’20160607′);
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29. Jordan Luplow, OF/3B, Bradenton – [insert_php] display_top30(656669,’B’,’20160607′);
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30. JT Brubaker, RHP, West Virginia -[insert_php] display_top30(664141,’P’,’20160607′);
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P2 Top Performers

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Trevor Williams got the start on Tuesday night, his fourth for the Indians. In his first start back with Indianapolis from an early season shoulder injury, he allowed two runs over six innings. That was followed by five runs over five innings in his last game.

In the first inning, Williams got three soft grounders on the first eight pitches. The problem was that the third one went against the extreme Indianapolis shift and it ended up costing him. In the last two games, both Chad Kuhl and Tyler Glasnow had their pitch counts hurt by ground ball singles that would have normally been routine grounders to the second baseman. The same exact thing happened to Williams with two outs and it led to two runs.

He gave up two bloop hits and two walks after the single, adding an extra 19 pitches to his pitch count. Six balls were put in play and none of them were hit hard. In fact, the second bloop hit was hit about five feet behind where Alen Hanson was standing during the extreme shift for the prior two batters. So not only did the shift hurt him on the first hit, not shifting led to the second run.

In the second inning, Williams issued his first walk. The next batter showed impressive power, flying out to the center field warning track on a pitch in on his hands. That allowed the runner to move up to second base. The next batter grounded out to third base for the second out. The last batter hit a routine fly ball to right field to end the inning. This wasn’t an easy inning, putting his pitch count at 47 pitches through two frames. Williams was using all of his pitches and keeping the ball down, but he was a bit erratic.

Williams started the third with an easy grounder to third base. That was followed by a double off the right field wall. The next batter walked on five pitches. Williams continued to get soft contact, with a bouncer to shortstop, which moved both runners up, as Pedro Florimon could only go to first base. The last batter lined out to left field. This was basically the same as the second inning. He mixed pitches, had control issues, and it ended up with him throwing 17 pitches, putting him at 64 pitches and 33 strikes.

In the fourth, Williams again had problems with the shift. Indianapolis apparently doesn’t have good scouting reports on the right-handed batters because a slow grounder to where Hanson stands on the shift, ended up as an infield single, with Hanson showing excellent range to get to the ball from the other side of second base. The next batter flew out to deep center and the runner tagged up to get to second. That was followed by a foul out to third base. Williams ended the inning on an easy out to shortstop. He kept the pitch count down to 13 this frame, but that still had him at 77 through four innings.

The fifth started with an eight-pitch walk, though he had the batter 0-2 right away. The next batter grounded a single between the third baseman and shortstop. A sacrifice bunt moved the runners up. That was followed by an intentional walk, which actually set a career-high for Williams with six walks in one game. It was also a tough way to end his night. Rob Scahill came on and allowed all three inherited runs to score.

Williams certainly started off strong in this game and there was a lot of weak contact, plus he kept the ball down. That’s about all the good you can say. He ended up throwing 96 pitches (51 strikes) in 4.1 innings. As mentioned, the walks are a new high for him and he failed to record a strikeout. In fact, there were only a couple swinging strikes all game. He is a pitch to contact guy, so the high ground ball rate and low strikeout number aren’t a surprise, but he also had quite a few batters at two strikes and kept getting foul balls or something put in play. Overall a very tough outing.

Indianapolis lost this game 9-6, with Scahill allowing three more runs before he was done. Alen Hanson had a solid game, going 2-for-4 with a walk, his 13th stolen base and two runs scored. Josh Bell connected on his sixth home run, a three-run shot in the seventh inning. Adam Frazier had a single, reaching base safely for the 28th consecutive game. He also stole his 16th base of the season. Max Moroff hit his seventh double and drove in two runs. Willy Garcia collected his 12th double.

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Altoona won 5-1 on Tuesday, scoring twice in the first inning and three times in the ninth. Cody Dickson got the start and continued his recent string of success, even if he hasn’t had the best control while doing it. Dickson allowed one run over seven innings, giving up two hits and three walks. He had two strikeouts and a very impressive 10:4 GO/AO ratio. In the first inning, he allowed a one out triple, which scored on a sacrifice fly. Dickson didn’t give up another hit until the seventh inning when a grounder back to him hit off his glove for an infield single. That was followed immediately by a double play, then a strikeout to end his night. He has now allowed a total of six earned runs in his last five starts.

Austin Meadows extended his hit streak to 16 games with a first inning single. Erich Weiss had two hits, including his tenth double. Harold Ramirez went 0-for-5, leaving him 2-for-25 in his last six games. Edwin Espinal raised his average to .305 with three hits. He played first base while Jose Osuna played outfield for the first time this season. Osuna is hitting just .247 now and he has hit just one homer since the beginning of May. Eric Wood had two doubles to give him nine on the season.

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Bradenton has off tonight.

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CHARLESTON, WV – JT Brubaker seems to have figured things out. Despite carrying a 3.70 ERA into tonight’s game, Brubaker has turned in consecutive sterling starts after a dismal five-game losing streak that encompassed most of May. He relies heavily on his fastball, which isn’t terrifically fast and often winds up in the seats. In his last three starts, Brubaker kept the ball low in the zone for outstanding results; in fact, his fastball seems to have more downward movement than it did earlier in the season.

Brubaker’s only mistake came in the third inning, when allowed a pair of singles and a double, which lead to his only earned run. On the night, he struck out nine and only walked one. His pitching actually improved over his last few innings. In his last three innings on the mound, he struck out two batters per inning and did not allow any fly ball outs.

As Logan Sendelbach knows well, though, a pitcher can’t do it all. The Power batters had a measly four hits in the first nine innings, and although two of those were homers by Tito Polo and Ke’Bryan Hayes, respectively, it just wasn’t enough to close the door on the Delmarva Shorebirds.

Unlike last night’s error-filled fiasco, tonight’s 16-inning marathon felt enjoyable. Delmarva scored in the top of the 10th to take the lead, but the Power answered back in the bottom half of the frame. From that point on, the Power failed to capitalize on their few advantages. In all but one of the extra innings, the Power had runners in scoring position, but they were unable to score.

The Shorebirds cracked the game open in the top of the 16th inning against Jess Amedee. Amedee had already pitched three innings and allowed four earned runs to put the game out of the Power’s reach. Delmarva won 8-4.

Since I have seen every reliever on the Power in the last 26 hours, I would like to take a moment to reflect on their performances. The top two performers were the first relievers out of the gate. Daniel Zamora displayed tremendous movement, and Julio Eusebio continues to be a powerful arm in the pen. The two combined for two hits and six strikeouts.

Tonight’s relievers didn’t have the same polish as last night’s. Tanner Anderson, Cesilio Pimentel, and Jess Amedee each got rattled when they made mistakes. Anderson, in particular, struggled with control with runners on base. Anderson uses a high leg kick, but with runners on, he must change his delivery entirely. Tonight, that seemed to throw him.

The final word from this looooooong night is this: the Power needs to find bats outside of Tito Polo and Ke’Bryan Hayes. Hayes is struggling with a high strikeout rate (He added two more tonight), and most of Polo’s homers are solo shots due to the combined facts that he is the leadoff man and that the bottom of the lineup isn’t producing. With his numbers, Polo should be near the league lead in RBI, but he’s not, due to this lack of production around him. Without a more consistent offense, the team as a whole will continue to struggle. – Abigail Miskowiec

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The DSL Pirates were rained out.

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61 COMMENTS

  1. Hot start? You mean his entire 2015 season? The guy is in a slump and you’re writing it off as a bad deal that the Pirates extended him.

    I don’t get you at all, constantly crying about something. On one hand you cry their too cheap, then they extend Cervelli and it’s a bad signing because he has slumped the past month.

    Personally, I just think you are a cry baby and no matter what the team or FO does, you will continue to cry, because that’s what cry babies do.

  2. Tito Polo has 10 homers. He is seriously starting to look very legit. It seems the Pirates have at least 4-5 legit prospects with very good upside at every level. That still surprises me sometimes. It doesn’t feel that long ago that guys like Rudy Owens and Robbie Grossman were top 10 prospects. I feel like they’d be in the 20’s in todays system.

  3. This is a game that will be decided by the bullpens…and that makes me a little scared…not so sure Nicasio should be out there for the sixth with an elevated pitch could and facing the top of the order for the third time…we shall see….

  4. Damn, Nicasio is pitching the game of his life tonight through 4.

    If it was all based on performance…Liriano would be the obvious choice for the pen.

      • Hell no, he’s not.

        But he is the #1 candidate for a mysterious DL trip. Another bad start and he’ll have some ache or pain that requires a 15 day stint…almost as sure as it’s purely coincidence that Taillon is suddenly ‘ready’ 🙂

        (Though, to be fair, I see Taillon being sent down after his start…and then recalled as soon as Liriano hits the DL…he’s just a little too close to the S2 date for comfort…saving an extra few days probably would be the wise move for the organization).

        • They could also use him for a while, and then when Glasnow and Kuhl are up later this year, let him skip a start then when they have more arms to play with, rather than reducing his service time now when they don’t have any other AAA guys to turn to. Plus, with his innings concerns, I would hate to see them worried about Super 2 now and then have to dial him back anyway later this season.

          • Something is going to happen with him. My crystal ball is fuzzy, but I think he makes the next start. What happens there, I think, sets the dominoes in motion.

            I don’t think the Pirates would do anything rash…considering the investment…but I think they could give him some time to find himself while they see what the young guys have.

            • Sorry, I was referring to Taillon above, in response to your speculation about them sending him back down.

    • I’ll take the confidence boost for him in that fine start and walk off into the sunset right into the bullpen. This “$13 million pitcher going to the bullpen” scenario has no traction. A few extra days off will help him. 2 spots just got better for pitching w JT arrival and Juan going to the pen.

      • Juan did a damn fine job…still wasn’t thrilled with him coming out for the last inning since his pitch count was high and he was about to go through the order for the third time.

        Kudos to Clint for pulling Nicasio as soon as he gave up the lead off walk.

        I don’t see Liriano going to the pen…true…the money will play a role…but he’s struggling. If he struggles again in the next start, I don’t think the Pirates have another option other than being creative with the DL rules and giving him a little time to figure things out. Regardless of how much he’s making, Frankie is pretty much a disaster right now…his performance this season is what pretty much what allowed the Pirates to grab him on the cheap a few seasons ago.

        • I can see them skipping a start or a DL stint for Frankie. He never had successful consecutive seasons in a row till he had 3 w the Pirates. He was expected to struggle one of these years. He will come around when the Pirates stretch him out during some extra rest.

  5. On a totally different note…

    Whenever I check a Blue Jays box score, I check in on Ke’Bryan Hayes and think…hmmm, I think the Pirates ended up with the better end of the Martin signing.

    🙂

    • No brainer – there was no way the BMTIBB would pay Martin anything close to what Toronto did – and there is no way the same front office should have hamstrung the Bucs with a silly Cervelli extension – that will haunt them for years.

      • Considering Toronto signed him, I’m guessing there was no way anyone else was offering him that much money!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

        I totally agree about Cervelli. The Pirates were in a pinch though, I get that…but this signing won’t look good in 2018…that’s my call.

        • Hope you and Bruce enjoy your time together out on that limb together for the next few seasons.

          • Nah…I fly solo…never go on limbs with anyone 🙂

            But…really? I don’t think it’s a stretch to speculate that, at least, the third year of the Cervelli deal won’t be in the Pirates best interests.

            • Hopefully it will look better than how the third year of the Liriano deal looks right about now.

              The deal had to be at least 3 years in length, or there wouldn’t have been a deal. So it really isn’t fair to look at year 3 in a vacuum.

              • Yup…I agree.

                The Pirates pretty much had to make this deal after the injury to Diaz (and still might’ve had to even if he hadn’t gotten hurt…but, at least, his hopes of progression gave the team a Plan B). Through that lens, it makes the signing perfectly understandable and I have no problem with it. Though, I’m not looking at year 3 in a vacuum…it’s just that the likelihood that he’ll get better as he ages is lower than the odds his skills will diminish.

                • Not sure why the Diaz injury matters – unless things are worse than we have been told to this point. I thought we were told he would be back playing later this summer and available for September call up…

                  • You arent sure why the top depth at C going under the knife caused the team to re think their catcher spot?

                    Bullshit.

                    • Sorry, its gotta get annoying when people interrupt rambling about whatever narrative you cant let go that week.

                      Though calling in to daytime radio might be a good way to find similar fans with rants about all that is wrong with the team.

                    • No – it’s annoying when commenters on this site refuse to think openly and drink the Kool Aid that Huntington and Tim serve way too often. I DO take some satisfaction out of having a couple of things I said – and got slammed for have proven to be true – in no particular order.

                      1. Cutch is not/no longer a gold glove center fielder.
                      2. Sending Marte back to AAA when he was struggling was a bad idea
                      3. Sending Polanco back to AAA when he was struggling was a bad idea.
                      4. Walker was a below average defender at second and was not needed with J-Hay available to play second.
                      5. Ike Davis was a waste of time and talent
                      6. Cole needed to sustain his success before he was a top ten starter in the NL – right now he is not Matz who is not the Mets #1 is better than Cole right now – that may change – but facts are facts.
                      7. Locke was/is a serviceable #4/#5 starter – and provides surplus value +$12.7M last year – ($1.0M) at this point this year.
                      8. Kang needed to play more and sooner – and needs to play as much as his knee can tolerate – he may be the best player on the team if you adjust for at bats.
                      9. Cutch’s decline in WAR over the last few years was troubling – and something to watch this year – I was told that last year was an aberration – knee injury. Now we are told it is a sore thumb – maybe – but I have no idea why a sore thumb causes a player to swing and miss at pitches in the zone as much as he does this year.

                      I did not sign up for this site to be a cheerleader – I am a fan and want to see my Pirates win a World Series. I try and be fact based and objective. Those of you who think 30 Days of data should be ignored are entitled to your opinion. But 30 days is 80-100 at bats – the is NOT as SSS (Cervelli is at 95) …

                    • What Kool Aid am I serving? Going through your list:

                      1. I’ve been saying Cutch should move out of CF since Marte came up, which was in 2012.
                      2. I didn’t want to send Marte down.
                      3. Same with Polanco
                      4. I wrote many times that Walker was poor defensively at second.
                      5. This is the first one where we disagree, although I wasn’t a huge Ike Davis fan. I just thought they needed someone better than Travis Ishikawa. I also thought Andrew Lambo was the guy for the job.
                      6. We disagree on Cole, but I have a feeling this is a complex discussion.
                      7. I’ve been killed over the years for saying the exact same thing about Locke.
                      8. I’m not sure what this is about, since he was a starter by his second month in the big leagues.
                      9. I haven’t really given an opinion on this, except to repeatedly say that they shouldn’t extend Cutch now, because they don’t know if he’ll decline, or if Meadows might be a better option.

                      You accuse me of pushing Kool Aid and say that others don’t think openly and accept everything I say. Then you give a list of your independent thoughts that are exactly what I’ve said over the years.

                    • Thanks for the thoughtful response – you and I are at odds on Glasnow and Bell – i think Glasnow should be in the rotation and Bell should be playing first base. You say Glasnow is not ready and that Jaso is AWESOME – I don’t understand doing a two year deal with Jaso when you have Bell in the pipeline – made no sense unless you are trying to get one more year of control on Bell – or hell maybe two,

                      Logically – if Bell was a top prospect he should be able to produce at a 1-2 WAR level in his first season in the Majors. Jaso is on track to provide 1.5 to 2.0 WAR – and costs substantially more.

                      The good news is that we should know in two or three years who was right and who was wrong – the bad news is we will have to deal with that on twitter or via email…

                    • Bell wasn’t ready at the start of the year, which was the need for Jaso. He only costs $4 M, and a 2.0 WAR player is worth $14 M on the open market. So they can easily trade him this off-season, while giving Bell plenty to work on in the short-term.

                      You reference Bell’s prospect status with his ability to produce a 1-2 WAR now, but that’s not how it works. Prospect status is based on long-term potential. Just because he has good long-term potential, doesn’t mean he’s going to be as good as Jaso right now.

                      My opinions on Glasnow are based on having seen him pitch, talking to scouts who have seen him pitch, and talking to him about his game. He doesn’t look ready right now.

                      I’m not sure what you’re saying about two or three years from now. We’re discussing whether they are ready right now, or earlier than now. We both think they’ll be good in the future. It would be impossible to tell if you’re right that they should already be up, unless we can get an alternate reality going.

                    • “Try to be fact based and objective”

                      Take a toke for me big guy. Because you are high as a kite.

                  • If Diaz doesn’t get injured, I’d guess the plan was to play him at AAA and assess whether he was capable of taking over full-time duties in 2017.

                    Now it appears he’s only going to get a month or so of dedicated playing time…plus, perhaps winter ball. Probably not enough to make a string decision of whether he could handle being a #1 catcher…so that, I’m sure, was part of the reasoning behind the extension.

                • From an offensive perspective, you’re most certainly right, but his deal is just as much about helping to groom and nurture the young guns that are ready to burst on the scene starting today! Yes! Happy #FreeTaillonDay!

                  • Yeah…I think his defense and pitcher work is going to hold up. I do worry about the pitch framing though…not that I think his skills will slip, but I wonder how much longer guys who make “not strikes” look like strikes are going to be able to get away with it when they’ve gotten a reputation for it.

                    As well, I worry about the health. I’m not one of those that screams: “oh, look at how often he was injured before…it’s going to happen again!” But do think that, catchers in their 30s are DL stints waiting to happen.

                    Veryy happy to see Taillon up…though I think there’s a chance he gets sent back down to save a few more service days. He right on the cusp of S2 now…and, from the way I understand it (which could be wrong) he may still qualify for the extra year of arbitration. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him sent back down tonight then recalled in ten days or as soon as Liriano is placed on the DL.

                    • It was already stated that the Pirates can pull the same routine w Gerrit Coles situation in 2013 by creating a paper move and send Taillon down at the all-star break w/o even sending him down and reinstating him when the break is over or when his next start is to avoid S2 if need be.

                    • I got it off rumbunter.com. I remember it happening w Cole so it will happen again. I’m sure Tim will write about it.

          • I think those who liked and still like this deal are the ones out on a limb – see above – already producing at below replacement level. He could turn it around but right now Stallings might be just as productive

            • Now that ^^^^^, I disagree with. It’s tempting to look at a small sample size and try to project out, but to call this deal bad “now” is jumping the gun.

              As far as Stallings, the kid’s barely batting .200 at AAA. I doubt he’s going to be taking any major leaguer’s job soon.

      • 3 whole years! But seriously the catching position is kind of shallow, not only in the organization, but throughout the game. It might not work out but it’s a gamble I’m glad the team made

        • Yup…I see both sides of that argument. The Pirates will regret it, but they really didn’t have a choice.

          For all of us armchair GM’s…those are the calls that none of us want to make.

          • Actually, I thought the price they got him for was a steal in terms of WAR/$ relative to market rate. If they even get 4 WAR over three years, it’s a club-friendly deal, and I think they will get more than that if he stays healthy.

            Now, I acknowledge that value is one thing and dollars are another, and $11M per will hamper their payroll in other ways, but they also have the majority of the team locked up that long anyway, and the pitching staff will be much cheaper during those years once all the rookies are up.

            • WAR/$ is okay to an extent. I don’t disvalue it. Heck…look at S-Rod this season…if he just contributes a tad for the rest of the season, the Pirates get 1 WAR for $2.5M…that’s about a third of the going rate and no one complains.

              The problem is when it doesn’t work out in a season…if Cervelli contributes 2 WAR/season for ’16 and ’17…yeah, you can look at the totality of his deal and say: “well, if he doesn’t do anything for ’18, it’s a wash…$31M for 4 WAR. However, if the Pirates are giving up 7-9% of their ’18 payroll for a guy who puts up 0 WAR…for that year it is a disaster…regardless of the overall perception.

              • Agreed that it would still be eating up ’18 payroll, regardless of overall contract value. But in 2018 you’ll have Taillon and Kuhl ($1M) instead of Liriano and Niese ($23M) and you won’t have a $10M closer.

            • Over the last 30 days Cervelli produced -0.2 WAR and ranks 22nd among NL catchers – Stewart ranks 18th.

              Since signing his deal he has been below replacement level…

              It may be a slump and he may bounce back – but I have said since day one this is a very risky deal

              • Yes, he is slumping right now, but I’m not worried about a 30 day sample. And I still don’t see the severity of the risk. $10M/year for a starting catcher of Cervelli’s caliber is just not that much, especially when they eventually call up every other prospect you are clamoring for and they don’t owe $10M on a closer. Their payroll will not be a concern in 2018.

              • You’ve also thrown a fit over Rodriguez and cried about No list….How is that working out for you?

      • Ridiculous as usual Bruce. You suggest a universally lauded deal in favor of the club is a poor signing? What possible reason do you have for a statement like that?
        There is limited depth at AAA too.
        I would suggest that the FO has been very intelligent about signing key players at very team friendly terms.

      • When’s your subscription expiring? You are getting more senile by the day! Do you realize how easy they could trade Cervelli if they really wanted? Theres NO no trade clause and we are talking 3 years. It’s a bargain contract. This isn’t even half of what the Kendall contract was 16 years ago. PLUS Stewart can easily be traded to make Diaz the backup.

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