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Tuesday, December 6, 2022

A Look at One of the Biggest Middle Infielders in the Pirates’ System

BRADENTON, Fla. – Back in January, during Pirates mini-camp, Clint Hurdle was standing behind the second base bag watching the middle infielders taking batting practice. Hurdle noticed one infielder who stood out for his size and yelled out to the player, loud enough to be heard all over the field.

“That’s the biggest second baseman I’ve seen since Bobby Grich!”

Hurdle asked the player if he knew who Bobby Grich was. The player wasn’t aware of the infielder who played 17 years in the big leagues. He received homework to look up the player later that day.

The infielder was Erich Weiss, and when I asked him about that conversation a month later, he instantly remembered Grich’s name. Weiss is only listed at 6′ 2″, 200 pounds, and you can probably find second basemen who are listed bigger. But those listings seem to be off. I’m just shy of 6′ 4″, and when I was talking with Weiss, he was as tall as me, or slightly taller. He might also be a little over 200 pounds, although he’s definitely in shape.

In fact, Weiss is in enough shape that the Pirates started getting him reps at shortstop during defensive drills at the start of Spring Training. They gave him time at shortstop during instructs in 2015, but that was just to keep him agile. This time around, he might be an option for shortstop, at least as an emergency option.

“Just [playing] everywhere really,” Weiss said. “Second, third, and short. Just to keep me on my feet, learn more about other positions, in case I have to go over there.”

Weiss played some shortstop in high school, but mostly played second base. He went to college, where he spent more time at third base. The Pirates drafted him as a third baseman in the 11th round of the 2013 draft, and gave him an over-slot bonus to sign him away from his final year with Texas. He played third base the first year, but moved to second base the following year, where he has shown good skills for a tall infielder. That doesn’t come easy for a guy of his size.

“It’s a lot of practice,” Weiss said. “Being taller, you have to stay lower to the ground. It’s a lot of leg work. Make sure your legs are strong, flexible, because you’ve got to get down there, and for that to happen you’ve got to have flexible and strong legs. It takes a little work to get used to it. I’ve dealt with it my whole life. Just field it and throw it.”

The Pirates are no strangers to giving players additional positional flexibility. It seems that every infielder they have can play multiple positions. The middle infielders usually try out shortstop or third base, depending on which one they haven’t played. The corner infielders might get some work in the outfield. This has become necessary due to how many infield prospects there are in the upper levels. In order to maximize playing time, and maximize the chances of a player getting an opportunity in the majors, the player needs to play multiple positions.

This approach really benefits a player like Weiss. Despite his size, he doesn’t hit for a lot of power. He gets on base at a good rate, has some power, and hits for average. This combination profiles more as a utility player in the future, which means the best way for Weiss to increase his value going forward would be to add more positions. He’s currently fighting for a spot in the Triple-A lineup, and will have plenty of competition, making that versatility all the more important.

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Tim started Pirates Prospects in 2009 from his home in Virginia, which was 40 minutes from where Pedro Alvarez made his pro debut in Lynchburg. That year, the Lynchburg Hillcats won the Carolina League championship, and Pirates Prospects was born from Tim's reporting along the way. The site has grown over the years to include many more writers, and Tim has gone on to become a credentialed MLB reporter, producing Pirates Prospects each year, and will publish his 11th Prospect Guide this offseason. He has also served as the Pittsburgh Pirates correspondent for Baseball America since 2019. Behind the scenes, Tim is an avid music lover, and most of the money he gets paid to run this site goes to vinyl records.


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Michael Sanders

I like when you Google Eric Weiss, Harry Houdini comes up. Maybe we can have our own Harry on the infield.


I like how his name came up as one of the players the Cards looked at when they were in the Astros scouting database


You’re a mean one, Mr. Grich.

That joke was too obvious to not make.


Baseball Reference lists NW as 6’3″


This might be a good time to give him some exposure at first base also. If he’s an infielder by instinct he might do well there, and perhaps develop more power as he ages.


wasn’t Neil talling than Weiss? I’ve never really heard of a player listing himself shorter than he is……….literally ever.

William R. Maloni Sr

In the NFL, too.


Thats really odd……..so some of the players signed at 16 for example- could DEFINITELY be really wrong. Are numbers updated once they hit MLB? How does it work


awesome, i never knew that.


Who gives the numbers is irrelevant to my point/question. Ball players are typically over stated, not understated in terms of height.

John Dreker

Case in point, Carlos Munoz weighing 225. He was 250 last year according to him, 258 the year before. They still use his VSL weight from when he was 17


Maybe Tim’s really only 5’11??


Exactly what I thought. Walker is as big or bigger than Weiss. Grich one of most underrated players ever along with fellow 2B Lou Whitaker. Whitaker should definitely be in the hall and Grich has an argument.


Whitaker ended up with more WAR for his career than Andre Dawson.

Plus, I am a huge Grich fan.


Trammell too. You have guys that are similar to Barry Larkin and Larkin gets 90% of vote and trammel took 15 years to get 40% of vote. It’s out of whack. Whitaker and Trammell should go into HOF together. That’s 140 WAR in the same middle infield for 15 years.


140 WAR? Wow! Agreed! I wonder how Whitaker and Trammell have gotten so over looked. I don’t think Detroit was very good during those years, as I recall the pitching was lackluster. Do I have it wrong? Well they had Jack Morris. I think all their rookie cards were 1978. I remember accumulating them, but alas these guys have remained under appreciated 30+ years later.

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