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Wednesday, November 30, 2022

Pittsburgh Pirates Continue to Spend International Bonus Pool Money; Add Colombian Shortstop

The Pittsburgh Pirates signed three international players on Wednesday, making it 41 players total signed since July 2nd. That number doesn’t include two pitchers who had their contracts voided due to prior injuries. The Pirates have signed 14 of those players since they were one of 29 teams to lose out on Shohei Ohtani. All of those 14 recent signings have been since Junior Vizcaino took over for Rene Gayo as the Director of International Scouting.

As mentioned on Monday, the Pirates recently signed catching prospect Yeison Ceballo, who is still 16 years old. They inked another 16-year-old today in pitcher Joelvis Del Rosario, who is two months younger than Ceballo. They also got 17-year-old pitcher Valentin Linarez and infielder Mariano Dotel, who recently turned 18 years old.

Dotel is the interesting one at this point because we don’t have much info on these players yet. He is the son of Mariano Dotel, who played five years in the minors as a shortstop, topping out in Double-A. His father also trained him, so he at least comes from good genes and training.

We should get more info on those players soon, which we will include in our international signing tracker. That tracker has been updated since Monday with info on players recently signed. Those players include three right handed pitchers from the Dominican.

Miguel Peralta, 18 years old, 6’3″ 190 pounds

Linse Carvajal, 18 years old,  6’2″ 170 pounds

Oliver Mateo, 20 years old, 6’2″ 170 pounds

We don’t know any bonus info, but seven of the 14 players signed since December were first-time eligible to sign during this 2017-18 signing period. That likely means they got a bonus of $50,000+ and that “+” could easily be well into six figures, especially for Ceballo.

The Pirates had $2.26 M in their bonus pool in late November. They traded $500,000 to the Philadelphia Phillies for Nick Burdi, then reacquired the same amount in the Andrew McCutchen trade. They got back a little money when Wandi Encarnacion had his contract voided last month, but he signed at age 20, so his bonus was very likely less than $25,000 and may not have affected the bonus pool at all. That’s because bonuses of $10,000 or less don’t count against the pool.

With the 14 signed players, I wouldn’t be surprised if the pool is now in the $800,000 to $1,200,000 range, based strictly on what comparable players receive. I could be off if any of these players received a large six-figure bonus, but I think we could still see more signings before they are done on June 15th. If you remember, last year Jean Eusebio was signed in February and received a $550,000 bonus. That bonus was only known because we talked to Eusebio the day after he signed, otherwise it wasn’t announced anywhere. So there could be a bigger bonus without us knowing or even finding out down the line.

It’s possible some of these young players signing now had a high bonus demand going into July 2nd. It’s also very possible that they have made strides since July 2nd. Some of those young players who improve a lot at age 16, end up waiting to sign at 17 in hopes of getting larger bonuses when teams have more to spend during the new signing period. With the Pirates having a large remaining bonus pool, they would be able to convince some of those players to sign this year. If we find out anything new on these players, it will be posted in the international signing tracker, so feel free to save that link.

UPDATE Thursday 6:30 PM: Pirates signed 17-year-old Colombian shortstop Edgar Barrios on Thursday. He has an extensive amateur track record, dating back to little league. I found info from 2010 on him. He was recently the MVP of a major tournament played in Colombia and he was one of the leading hitters in the under-18 league for the best players in the country. Basically, he has been very good for a very long time. Looks like a solid pickup for the Pirates with their remaining pool money, which continues to dwindle. The signing tracker has been updated. Barrios is the 42nd player signed.

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John started working at Pirates Prospects in 2009, but his connection to the Pittsburgh Pirates started exactly 100 years earlier when Dots Miller debuted for the 1909 World Series champions. John was born in Kearny, NJ, two blocks from the house where Dots Miller grew up. From that hometown hero connection came a love of Pirates history, as well as the sport of baseball.

When he didn't make it as a lefty pitcher with an 80+ MPH fastball and a slider that needed work, John turned to covering the game, eventually focusing in on the prospects side, where his interest was pushed by the big league team being below .500 for so long. John has covered the minors in some form since the 2002 season, and leads the draft and international coverage on Pirates Prospects. He writes daily on Pittsburgh Baseball History, when he's not covering the entire system daily throughout the entire year on Pirates Prospects.

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BuccosFanStuckinMD

I assume there has to be a site or source that shows all of the Pirates International signings this year and the signing bonuses for each player? I suspect they haven’t signed one player for $500k or more….yes, they are spending their pool money now, but using the same failed strategy as in past years. Quantity over quality. When any of these signings actually turn into top 100 prospects and make it to Pittsburgh, I will cease and desist in my annual criticism of the organization’s International FA decisions….

TNBucs

So Barrios is 17 and there is info on him going back to 2010 when he was 9 or 10? Crazy. But it does sound like a good signing–a SS who’s been an MVP in a major tournament.

Darkstone42

Strategy: Sign every catcher. All catchers will be Pirates. Hope one works out.

Robert J

All lies. Fake news. We all know Nutting is pocketing the $2m.

Arik Florimonte

But, the decision to spend it affects or not affects actual money. If they don’t spend it, they have it, and if they do spend it, they don’t. The limit doesn’t change that. So this seems like a distinction without a difference.

In talking about bonus pool money acquisitions, I can see where people would be confused, given that it is is usually reported along the lines of “Pirates traded for $500k in international bonus money.” It does sound like they are adding money unless you dig deeper or read this site. If someone already believes Pirates are pocketing the money, the reporting language doesn’t help to explain what’s going on.

joe s

Whether we think the players are good or not, cheap or expensive it doesn’t truly matter. They all are a crap shoot at this point in their respective careers, however by not signing the alleged high ceiling talent it doesn’t give us the hope we need that some day some way the Pirates can return to former glory and win a world series.

leefoo

I like the quantity over (supposed) quality signings. Big bonuses for LA kids have failed 85-90% of the time.

IC Bob

Seems to me we are doing the in between strategy. I wouldn’t have a problem with dumpster diving as long as we got at least one big or two big signings. every team signs a boat load of guys under 50K. We like to get 8 just above dumpster signings.

BuccosFanStuckinMD

On one hand, its good to hear they are spending their bonus pool. But, it also appears they are stubbornly still dumpster diving, choosing quantity over quality. Its mind blowing that they continue this miserable failure of a strategy…need a new owner and front office….

Darkstone42

Difficult to say that with such certainty before the bonuses are even announced, isn’t it?

BuccosFanStuckinMD

Count how many players they have signed to date, with their available pool money – its not a stretch to assume otherwise. I guarantee you, if the team signed any of these guys for $500k or more, it would be trumpeted by the organization, this site, and elsewhere…if I am wrong, please correct me….

Darkstone42

I’m not sure they would, at least right away. They’ll likely announce several bonuses at once, well after the signings are announced. We also don’t know who else they’re actively pursuing, or their price tags.

I think it’s significant that they wanted that $500,000 back in the McCutchen trade. I don’t see them signing few or cheap enough players to not bother dipping into that.

Brian Z

It’s not a failed strategy, they are making money hand over fist….sounds like a great business strategy to me. Oh wait, did you mean winning? Silly bucco fan, championships aren’t for the Pirates.

Mark H

Thanks for the update. This is one reason I subscribe. And I’m really impressed with your thick skin when you make an effort to provide prospect news knowing you are going to get some of the same old comments.

Paul

John, keep up the great work! The complexity of finding talent in baseball is so complex. Thousands of kids trying to get a chance to prove themselves. The competition at such a young age while at the same time living away from family must be stressful. I always wonder what happens to all of the kids who washout before the age of 21.

Scott Stauffer

This FO just loves shopping in the bargain basement.

Ken

Could any comment be sillier. We know nothing about these players and don’t know what they cost. Further we don’t know who else will be signed. Further most of the big money signees end up being total busts. Statistically you are better off with a lot of mid-range players than one signee who gets most of the bonus pool.

IC Bob

If statistically you are better of doing what the Pirates are doing how come our team is choke full of international talent?

BuccosFanStuckinMD

well one thing is certain, these guys aren’t likely on anyone’s top 100 available LA prospects

capirate

I’m not sure that really matters much. At their ages it is probably much more a question of physical attributes and projection than skills. Most of them won’t develop a huge amount beyond what they already are, but some probably will.

BuccosFanStuckinMD

And using this same strategy over the past 10 years, who are the LA prospects that the Pirates signed who have turned into productive major league players in Pittsburgh?

TonyV

And if they didnt sign international players folks would complain that they didnt spend the $.

Eric Marshall

A lot of pittsburghers just love to complain. Hopefully we net someone out of this group of signings. Looking forward to better results from Junior Vizcaino.

eric i

You guys are going to have to hire somebody else just to keep track of all these guys. Sounds like the DSL and Dominican academy won’t be short on bodies.

emjayinTN

Lots of talent, but since only one guy is Top 50 (Pie at No. 48), I guess we now have a fist full of lottery tickets? Have the Pirates lost any foothold they previously had in Venezuela?

leefoo

I guess we’re not going after Juan Pablo. Sigh.

jimmyz

At this point I assume Juan Pablo is going to wait til July 2nd and sign next signing period. Not a lot of teams have much international spending money left.

BuccosFanStuckinMD

I know we are talking about one specific player here, but what are the Pirates excuses for not signing any of the top 50 to 100 LA prospects each and every year for 8-10 years now? They are usually not even in the conversation….

Bridgevillebuck

Love to hear if the Pirates ever actually went for somebody instead of just getting quanity. I wonder if these most recent signings are guys nobody wanted last July 2nd. Its great they got 41 guys but the failure rate must be enormous….

thecrow124

If any of the signings were 6 figures, they are likely low six figures. It seems like anything in the range of $200k or above we find out pretty quickly what the bonus is.

IC Bob

Watch out for the Bucs in 2025!!

William R. Maloni Sr

The Altoona version or the big team playing in Terre Haute??

jiaqic

2520!!

genealley

2525 for you older guys

Daryl Restly

In the year 2525, if the Pirates are still in town. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic

jiaqic

I’ll seriously consider cryosleep in that case

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