Pirates Game Discussion: Pirates at Padres, 10:10 PM

The Pittsburgh Pirates (18-26) are on the west coast for game two of a three-game series against the San Diego Padres (29-16), with first pitch tonight at 10:10 PM. The Pirates will send out JT Brubaker (0-4, 4.64) for his ninth start of the season. He will be opposed by former Pirates starter Joe Musgrove (5-0, 1.90), who is making his ninth start of the season. In 52 innings, he has 51 strikeouts and an 0.94 WHIP.

Cam Alldred cleared waivers and was sent outright to Indianapolis.

Here are the lineups:

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1979andCounting

Do we have enough guys to even have a congratulatory line!

tedwins

Heck of a win👍

PirateRican21

Raise it

1979andCounting

The shocked call of the year by Brownie! Fumbling all over wtf the score was……like can he add 1 +3! Priceless.

TNBucs

I’m watching the replay now, and wow did Brown have a rough inning. Not only did he fumble over the score but he then spent several minutes talking about whether Perez would play 1B despite him being pinch hit for to start the inning.

PirateRican21

I was screaming at the TV saying the same thing. I’m one of the few non family members that like Joe over Brown. And really like the joe and Neil together.

bscat

I could abide Joe Block if he’d stop talking all the #$**& time.

PiratePrimate

Past his bedtime

1979andCounting

Key!!!!

PiratePrimate

Play to win on the road 🙂

Tim Williams

A thought on that Mitchell at-bat: This guy can’t find the strike zone, and knows they’re trying to bunt the tying run to third. Mitchell was late on two bunt attempts, trying to disguise it from the start. I don’t know why he didn’t show bunt the entire way, getting himself set early against a pitcher struggling to find the zone.

Doesn’t matter though, because Ke’Bryan Hayes is amazing.

PiratePrimate

We got this one. Tim, who’s coming up? Gamel’s out, Chavis is out. . . . Who’s getting the call tonight, I mean, this morning?

1979andCounting

Is there still a taxi squad travelling w team?

Wilbur Miller

Trying to disguise the bunt was futile because the Padres were probably thinking the same thing I was, and assuming that whatever the dumbest thing to do was, Shelton would do it.

TNBucs

It wouldn’t surprise me to hear Shelton say he wanted Mitchell to K to ensure they couldn’t intentionally walk Hayes 😉 Or maybe Brown will say that for him.

tedwins

Yes, alls well that ends….

tedwins

How about that👏👏

patrick_kelly

Play for the win. Fuck this bunt shit.

Wilbur Miller

Shelton has an uncanny ability to come up with the wrong strategy.

jon6er

He was built for those moments!

Wilbur Miller

Fortunately, Key says “Eff Shelton’s strategery.”

TNBucs

The 9th was our model for success–talent will need to overcome the incompetence of the managing.

PiratePrimate

Exactly. You play to win on the road and tie at home. I don’t know what this bunting shit is.

tedwins

Yup

Wilbur Miller

Diego’s out at second wondering, Does he even know who I am?

TNBucs

It is strange with all the lefties in the lineup and Castillo showing that he’s not overmatched that we’re not seeing him in the lineup more. I give Shelton credit for sticking with Suwinski but he should have been doing the same with Castillo.

PirateRican21

No shit. Better than Castro, VanMeter, Marcano and yet he sits.

jon6er

F U Shelton!

jon6er

WTF did Shelton get Yerry up for, just to show he’s not locked in the closet.

jon6er

Wow get somebody that has these guys ready to play. Mitchell has to call Chavis off on that.

PiratePrimate

This is ’62 Mets comedy hour

MWT

Cal Mitchell has a “Gregory Polanco after having shoulder surgery”-level throwing arm.

PirateRican21

Yeah, and was never moved to LF????????

jon6er

Yeah not sure that teaching moment Tarik Brock gave him about fielding the ball is going to help much, lol.

jon6er

Stratton comes through again……

PiratePrimate

Better teach Mitchell to play 1rst with that arm

TNBucs

Strange that they haven’t tried this given his arm, the prospect depth in the OF, and the lack of depth at 1B. But of course Shelton and Cherington believe that you can introduce players to new positions in the majors, so maybe that’s still to come.

PiratePrimate

Somebody needs to tell Peters the Cocker Spaniel look only works if you throw strikes

Wilbur Miller

Pirates’ catchers now on a 2-for-47 (.043) tear. Takes a unique eye for talent to assemble a duo like that.

John Fluharty

And the painful thing is I really don’t have any other options available right now.

Wilbur Miller

They’re paying for BC punting the off-season. He’s really done a terrible job.

PirateRican21

Give Taylor Davis a chance, I mean who cares.

jedeweese

Shoot, Sangy would be better.

ironmike56

Anybody have a theory on what is wrong with Hays? No power and his fielding has become …..erratic.

skliesen

This didn’t age well.

PirateRican21

His power is due to his swing. IMOof course. He lets the ball get so deep that he bats like a left handed pull hitter. Sometimes he even shanks the ball.

ironmike56

He doesn’t look at all like the power line drive machine he was as a rookie. They said he was fully recovered from the hand injury but you have to wonder. How much longer does this go on before it becomes a major concern.

John Fluharty

Lower back issues.

ironmike56

Some of his most damaging errors this year looked like lack of concentration or situational awareness.

PiratePrimate

Long term contract

PirateRican21

Ever get to use it, so why not for a RBI dribbler!

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jedeweese

Thanks, Joe.

PirateRican21

Hayes’ vacuum is broken.

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jedeweese

Defense hasn’t been a problem in the outfield

jon6er

When they play outfielders, lol.

jedeweese

AdministrativeSky236

With vogelbach and chavis out, we currently have 3.5-4.5 somewhat competent/dangerous major league hitters. Need more depth there if we are going to score at all

PirateRican21

Good at bat by Reynolds there. He looks different today…..

AdministrativeSky236

Huge AB imo, can almost see the confidence starting to come back for him

PirateRican21

Well, he looked good for two at bats.

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TNBucs

A smart team will try to acquire Brubaker–with his stuff I think he’d be the next pitcher to take a big step forward once he had the chance to work with a better coaching staff.

PirateRican21

He needs to do what Holmes did, simplification of his arsenal and location. Sinker, slider, change bottom of the strike zone.

PirateRican21

So I guess there’s gonna be a Beede sighting today……

jon6er

Well he left Yerry in the closet last night and brought Underdog in to blow it so if it’s close tonight he will try to bridge Stratton to Bednar. We’ll see Yerry next blowout.

1979andCounting

Just thinking what Musgrove, Taillon, Cole, Morton have done after leaving Pirates…..all TOR guys now! Morton’s a little off this year, but no denying last 5 years. Neal really could identify talent although Cole and Taillon were really easy consensus picks.

So where am I going with this……well is it even possible that BC hits on so many TOR pitchers?
Hopeful for one or two…..Roansy has a chance.
Not sure I see anybody else. And this years draft is hitter-heavy.

jedeweese

Who is the “unexpected now” MI-fer that goes for a pitcher trade. I think Bae…

jon6er

It’s possible. He’s having a great season so far and he does things running the bases like Reynolds but actually better. He’s lights out better at second than Tucker or Newman and much better offensively. I saw him really run down some balls playing center also.

TNBucs

Of course Brown simply thinks the poor play in the field is “bizarre” instead of actually suggesting that it’s a symptom of poor coaching (focus, preparation, etc.)…then proceeds to repeat Shelton’s excuse that they’re missing Newman and Perez.

b mcferren

cal mitchell hits the cutoff man

respect

1979andCounting

Someone said last night……candy arm…….true true.

PiratePrimate

PFP is a foreign concept to the Pirate organization?

AdministrativeSky236

Fielding practice in general only occurs out of position

AdministrativeSky236

I know very small sample size, but mitchell’s hard hit rate is over 50%. Even if not always translating to hits shows he’s fighting up there

PirateRican21

Stay with that sinker Brubaker, stay with it and ditch that 4 seamer.

PiratePrimate

VanMeter knows the clock is ticking. He’ll figure out a way to atone tonight

jon6er

They actually traded a 20 year old pitching prospect for VanMeter which considering Pirate pitching woes is baffling to me no matter how much or how little that prospect is regarded.

TNBucs

You mean that 20-year old who has 28 K’s vs. 8 BB’s in 27.1 IP and a 2:1 GO/AO ratio? Who needs a pitcher like that?

jon6er

I was just looking at his season, lol. Going like, WTF?

docdon385

Scary Pirate lineup but unfortunately not for the Padres.

Someone rationalize how this lineup wouldn’t be not only better but easily doable and far more useful for long term development.
SS Cruz
RF Mitchell
3B Hayes
CF Reynolds
1B Martin
LF Gamel, at least for now
2B Castro
DH Suwinski
C Perez, because someone has to catch

Just a couple of phone calls and some rational thinking would make it happen. Some might say it will happen soon, but who can tell. It could have been today or even yesterday or last week but it hasn’t happened for reasons only the privileged few who hold power can say, and they just continue to say the same old stuff. “He’s still got work to do.” “We’re happy with where he is.” Meanwhile the Pirates start a first baseman who needs a map or GPS to find the bag. Oh well, I guess.

bscat

can’t see Castro’s value . . . sorry . . . Bae or Castillo, maybe?

jon6er

I still think Bae is a guy you want with all that speed and he has power can play outfield and 2nd base very proficiently.

b mcferren

Bae not on 40 man roster

jon6er

I understand that but if he keeps playing like he is he should be!

PirateRican21

And risk losing Tucker or Hembree or Newman or Fletcher, you crazy, sir.

jon6er

The last couple of hits I saw Tucker have in Indy were of the dinky variety, lol.

PirateRican21

I saw the AAA game today, he is lost at the plate. Have resisted the call to cut bait, but I’m on board now.

TNBucs

I think he can be a major leaguer but I think that’s going to take getting a fresh start somewhere else.

jon6er

Waiting to see how VanMeter handles some of those errant missiles coming from Rodolfo, lol.

TNBucs

Somewhat related to Musgrove starting against us tonight, Mackey has an article up about Holmes. The short version is that it’s the same old story–the Yankees were able to help Holmes make a couple of tweaks while also putting him in a better position to succeed which is what he attributes to an increase in his confidence and why he’s been able to live up to his potential.

He didn’t say anything critical of the Pirates but this quote says a lot…”the change of scenery was pretty good, especially when you’re sharing a locker room with guys who expect to be in the playoffs and want to be here because they want to win a World Series”

1979andCounting

Holmes is now the Yankees closer. Repeat that a few times to let it sink in. 1 run allowed in 26 IP. I’ve watched a couple of his outings, including closing last week. Just tough as nails in high leverage situations with tying/winning run on base. I’ll always remember Wehner saying Holmes had the best stuff on the team.
He’s got 99 and helluva lot of movement. Nothing he throws is straight. Really happy for him, I was always his biggest fan.

TNBucs

Imagine a rotation of Musgrove, Taillon, Brubaker, Quintana, and Keller (or someone better) with Holmes closing. Of course this assumes we’d have made better coaching hires who could have brought out the same quality out of Musgrove, Taillon, and Holmes. Then to really suspend reality, imagine Nutting paying to extend those three.

We wouldn’t have as much talent in the minors of course but we could still look forward to Mitchell, Martin, Cruz, Peguero, Davis, Gonzales (though I’m not expecting much from him), and of course we’d still have Hayes and Reynolds to build around.

jon6er

You’re not seeing the big picture here, we have Josh VanMeter playing first base😖

b mcferren

Bednar > Holmes

1979andCounting

By what measure? It’s a dead heat at best.

jon6er

It’s sad to say but I can’t blame anyone that’s glad to get out of this organization. I didn’t say Pittsburgh because most players on all the sports teams like the area!

AdministrativeSky236

The whole culture shift will hopefully happen naturally as we start to see more success, but they need to target a vet FA or two who can contribute on the field and boost the culture off of it. Martin/burnett, etc were invaluable in the last run for that reason and it will need to happen again

PirateRican21

This new pitching strategy is awfully similar to the last, trying to make everyone a four seamer or pitch up when this is not your strength, just like everyone throw a sinker and a slider even if it isn’t your strength.

b mcferren

Cantina is responding

b mcferren

why all this messing around?

call up Mason and Oneil

jon6er

Playing first and batting 5th, ‘Josh Rodriquez’!

AdministrativeSky236

Love seeing their confidence in cal to have him batting leadoff after just hitting second! On the other hand, dont love who is starting at first… I certainly do not love JVM but he really is never put in position to succeed with how much he’s just thrown into poor situations

jon6er

So much for BC and DS bullshitting us with there “we put the team and players in position to win and succeed” or some such nonsense.

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