Pirates Game Discussion: Pirates 1, Reds 0

The Pittsburgh Pirates (14-19) take on the Cincinnati Reds (9-25) in the finale of a four-game series at PNC Park at 1:35 PM on Sunday afternoon. The Pirates are sending out Jose Quintana (1-1, 2.70) for his seventh start, while the Reds are countering with rookie Hunter Greene (1-5, 7.62), who is also making his seventh start.

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Wilbur Miller

Have to say, when they signed Quintana, I thought the best-case outcome was Tyler Anderson. Now I’m thinking extension.

Shultzie31

Don’t think there’s any chance of extention but a hell if a trade chip perhaps

Wilbur Miller

I can’t get interested in BC trading for more guys to block with sub-replacement deadenders. He hasn’t developed a single non-crappy SP. It’s time to find other alternatives.

skliesen

And he’s probably thinking I’m the next Kevin Gausman.

Wilbur Miller

Yeah, but they could try.

mikeschalke

As Al Davis once famously said “Just WIN baby”

Last edited 1 month ago by mikeschalke
Wilbur Miller

Or, “Haha, eff the Reds!”

steve_zielinski

A Unicorn game!

PiratePrimate

It really is a unicorn game when it’s on the front end of a two team parlay and the back end’s up 7-0 🙂

1979andCounting

Wow, that’s one for the ages!!

jimmyz

Feels like the reverse outcome of our generation’s version of Harvey Haddix’ masterpiece.

jimmyz

Given the dubious nature of Haddix’ gem I think the timing being slightly off makes it perfect.

jon6er

Yeah baseball has really screwed him in regards to not crediting him a no hitter after 9 innings because the game went to extras. He completed pitching 9 innings and that’s good enough for me.

jon6er

It further incenses me that baseball ignores the fact that it 9 and 12 innings of a perfect game and is a feat in itself that had never been accomplished before in modern baseball.

TNBucs

Haddix’s game should be the answer to “What’s better than perfect?”

jon6er
skliesen

I have good news and bad news….

jimmyz

The bad news to me is that Hunter Greene looks like the real deal and is gonna be on the Reds for awhile. This year’s Buccos getting no hit is more ho hum than bad news.

Stephen B

Well…there’s something you don’t see every day. Win a game in which you were no-hit.

jimmyz

Never been more excited for an RBI ground out in my life.

jimmyz

I love Rodolfo’s energy. He’s been giving props and minor celebrations to anything positive all day. Only guy to react at all about that line out to Yoshi by Moustakas.

Mtgj

I noticed this as well. His energy is great.

jimmyz

I need 9 runs in this last inning and a half to keep hope alive for turning 5 bucks into 3 grand on a crazy parlay. Let’s go Bucs!

jon6er

Good luck and hopefully the Buc’s score the majority of the nine, lol.

jimmyz

Agreed but one run on a bases loaded with one out situation isn’t gonna cut it. Never expected to hit on that bet anyway but came a lot closer than I thought I would.

jon6er

I always liked those parlays because they pay and yeah the risk is high but I never liked betting 5 dollars just to break even, lol.

1979andCounting

Why is Yoshi playing up on the grass to Drury with 2 outs? Get him behind 1st base, maybe knock down a ball to prevent runner on 2nd from scoring. I have no spread charts……just looks very wrong.

docdon385

Am growing very tired of finding reasons for not playing the young guys and for keeping Cruz, Mitchell, Contreras, etc. in the minors. There is no reason for it now and watching these guys trying and failing to hit a kid (talented or not) like Greene is just the latest reminder.

Just watched Cruz miss a pitch and still hit a screaming line drive homer down the left field line for Indy. I know he’s been hitting under .200 but is now looking like he’s about to go on a tear. I for one would like for it to happen in Pittsburgh. Come on Cherington, get your head out.

Shultzie31

Take it easy, van meter is about to break out

skliesen

Quintana deserves better support than this, but I’m sure Reds fans are saying the same.

Gotta love a good old fashioned pitching duel. Too bad they don’t let them finish what they started anymore.

jimmyz

I decided to go to the game to see Hunter Greene pitch. Don’t like the Pirates’ futility against him but love seeing 7 innings of no hit ball from anyone. Especially love seeing a pitcher hit triple digits on his pitch count in today’s game.

PirateRican21

Just tune in, no hit but the guys looks hittable. Good job by Q looks like. Second lefty BC has picked up for cheap and produced (T. Anderson). Let’s hope we are able to win the bullpen game.

jimmyz

Seems like Buccos hitters have been sitting on Greene’s fastball all day but he’s been making them look bad by being effective with breaking balls and keeping his heater out of the zone for the most part looking for chases when he does throw it to them.

1979andCounting

I have a dream……Contreras = Greene.

Catch_22

Man, I hope you guys are right and Castillo is the next Moncada.

You fellas enjoy complaining and getting off on negativity. I’m going to enjoy the day

1979andCounting

The conversation should be where’s Chavis? 107 OPS+. He’s getting too many days off imo. While Vanmeter and Castro and Castillo are getting ABs.

jimmyz

In my opinion those are the wrong guys to be worrying about taking AB’s from Chavis. Chavis should be playing first base 5 out of 7 games. Tsutsugo brings nothing to the table and Vogelbach should be primary DH. Removes Chavis from the 32 man royal rumble of mediocrity for middle infield duties as a side benefit.

Catch_22

I’m guessing that Chavis and Castillo would struggle with right on right at 100+ mph.

Catch_22

Diego Castillo wRC+ 69
Josh VanMeter wRC+ 68

Diego Castilo 0.0 fWAR
Josh VanMeter 0.0 fWAR

Diego Castilo 91 PA’s
Josh VanMeter 62

This fixation has gotten way past weird

agent00

castillo is a rookie…vanmeter is not. castillo could improve…..vanmeter has shown that he cannot. not sure why you’re defending vanmeter here

Catch_22

VanMeter is 27, not 37. He certainly can improve.

What I’m saying is they’re basically the same player. Replacement level types.

agent00

pretty odd to declare castillo a replacement level player after 86 at bats, but go off i guess

Catch_22

You guys think every rookie should start everyday. Then, when it’s apparent that they aren’t good in 2 years, you complain about them and want the next marginal rookie to start.

wash, rinse, repeat

Mtgj

Couldn’t agree more. I like Castillo, but people on here go crazy about every single thing.

Wilbur Miller

As opposed to playing a career failure every day. Riddle, EGon, VanMeter and countless others. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Catch_22

When you have to grossly exaggerate to make a point, you probably don’t have a point.

None of the listed guys played everyday, except maybe Egone.

Wilbur Miller

VanMeter’s started 12 of the Pirates’ last 15 games. Riddle had one stretch where he started eight straight games (went a blistering 4-for-26). And let’s not forget Polanco, Philips Evans and Jarrod Dyson. But I guess you have to count against that the long list of veteran failures who contributed to the Pirates under BC:

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jon6er

Diego Castillo 91 PA’s
Josh VanMeter 711

Catch_22

You’re acting like Castillo is Bobby Witt.

Wilbur Miller

No, he’s not. If this is the best argument you have, give it up.

Catch_22

Certainly not the best argument.

Objective evidence is my best argument.

68 wRC+ 69 wRC+

Wilbur Miller

Wow, given the disparity in ML experience, that’s pathetic. Again, give it up.

Catch_22

Castillo is just a guy. Acting like he’s some wasted hidden gem is odd.

Wilbur Miller

So that’s the “objective evidence?” With a straw man to boot. Always a sign of solid arguments. You’ve got at least three in this thread. It’s like a treatise on what to say when you’ve got nothing to say.

Last edited 1 month ago by Wilbur Miller
docdon385

All this bickering about Van Meter versus Castillo or Chavis leading no where and probably missing the reason. Most likely it’s Shelton trying to look smart again by putting 8 lefty hitters against the righty Greene. There might be a slight hitch in that thinking though as by what I find going into this game lefty’s are hitting .275 against Greene and righties .305 with minimal differences in number of at bats.

Too much thinking instead of playing can always cause problems. Maybe we need to get Shelton to wear woman’s underwear like Nuke La Laloosh so he stops thinking about the game so much.

adicesa14

I am exasperated. Vanmeter is in the lineup and Castillo is sitting!

PiratePrimate

Think of it as Castillo already has a job. He’s not going anywhere. They’re still in the process of making that decision about VanMeter.

jon6er

That works Dr. Freud, lol.

jon6er

‘Clint’ Shelton showing us baseball fans he’s in charge of lineups but lacks common sense.

roberto

Nice article about Taylor Davis over on FanGraphs. Wants to move into management after his retirement.

Wilbur Miller

He should know a lot about how to build a super-cheap loser. And about how to find terrible catchers.

PiratePrimate

But they bat left handed. Left handed hitting catchers are like redheaded women. Even when they’re bad, you can’t leave them alone.

jon6er

VanMeter at second base along with the ghosts of Tucker, Evans, Riddle, Elmore….

agent00

coaches must really dislike castillo. very odd to see

jon6er

Just another wasted 3-5 at bats on a less talented older player. He made a bad throw yesterday which was further complicated by another rookie being out of position to potentially take a cutoff throw but I doubt him not playing today is anything more then Shelton being Shelton.

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