Pirates Game Discussion: Pirates vs Rockies, 6:35 PM; Chad Kuhl Returns

The Pittsburgh Pirates (16-24) take on the Colorado Rockies (19-21) at PNC Park on Monday night at 6:35 PM, in the first game of a three-game series. The Pirates are sending out JT Brubaker (0-4, 5.50) for his ninth start of the season. The Rockies are countering with former Pirates starter Chad Kuhl (3-2, 3.86), who is making his eighth start of the season. He was doing great until his last two starts, which resulted in ten earned runs in 7.2 innings.

Prior to the game, Yerry De Los Santos was added to the active roster.

Here are the lineups for today:

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1979andCounting

Some game takeaways:
1. Thankful I don’t have to watch Kuhl heave it, I mean pitch, anymore.
2. Shelton needs to call a PFP on Thursday. What’s the point of having PFP only in Bradenton, when none of our pitchers are good at fielding/throwing.
3. Kebryan has very good hand eye coordination……he might challenge for a batting championship. The ball is dead this year, might as well take the slashes, dinks and high OBA.
4. Brubaker’s confidence is growing.
5. Bednar makes All-star team. If Shelton doesn’t burn him out first.

emjayinTN

Nice list of takeaways, and this team is playing at the highest level possible for the talent level. Counting at least 3 players who will be popular as the trading deadline approaches – Daniel Vogelbach, Michael Chavis, and Ben Gamel, and possibly 2 or 3 RP’s such as Chris Stratton, Duane Underwood, and SP/RP guys like Chase De Jong, etc.

However, IMO, no list is complete without wondering when Shelton will be shown the door, and could the Pirates have a more inept pairing of Catchers than Michael Perez and Tyler Heineman? Why not try something different like DFA Heineman and call up Jason Delay? Perez at least provides a LH hitting batting Catcher.

Wilbur Miller

The one thing Shelton can’t f*** up is Bednar. Hard to imagine what the record would be without him.

mikeschalke

That’s true if he had more Bednars we wouldn’t be bashing him like we do.

Last edited 1 month ago by mikeschalke
Wilbur Miller

There really aren’t many Bednars. The guy is elite.

jon6er

Maybe not but I’m sure he can Yerry!

ricramer

A win is a win, eh?

roibert.kasperski

Got one more than the Rox. All that matters.

roibert.kasperski

Whooo Hoooo!

skliesen

This offense is so…God awful. Even the way they score a run doesn’t look MLB quality.

PiratePrimate

It pays to have power in the middle of the lineup

roibert.kasperski

Yoshi! Yoshi! Yoshi!!!!!!!!

roibert.kasperski

A new land speed record for Tsutsugo!

Last edited 1 month ago by roibert.kasperski
PiratePrimate

It’s pretty clear that Castro’s either gonna win this game or lose it.

roibert.kasperski

Just a bit outside……..to 2nd base…..

TNBucs

So Walker just justified taking Crowe out because they wanted to keep his pitch count down. He was at 13 pitches.

Hopefully we’ll win it in 9 because the move just cost us Bednar for a possible 10th.

MWT

If you’re not going to be good, you might as well be interesting.

Castro is definitely having an interesting game

Last edited 1 month ago by MWT
TNBucs

I don’t know how they overturned that and I almost wonder if Castro’s “taunting “ played a factor. (I was fine with Castro’s safe call over Diaz but it would have drawn a flag in the NFL.)

roibert.kasperski

I know. The one shot from the 1st base side looked like Diaz might have gotten Castro’s left calf right before his foot hit the plate. I only saw that angle once and NY can blow it up in high def. Bummer.

TNBucs

That’s possible. It didn’t look clear enough to overturn but we don’t have access to the views they have. I’d love to see MLB share their camera shot when they overturn a call. There doesn’t seem any reason not to.

roibert.kasperski

Just realized Crowe is in. Just got home during the bottom of the 7th.
belated Happy Crowe Day Y’all!!!!!!

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Wilbur Miller

The Pirates’ two catchers are now batting a combined .098.

PiratePrimate

But they’re great pitch framers

Wilbur Miller

Actually, they’re not. Heineman seems to be pretty good, but MPerez ranks 56 out of 75.

PiratePrimate

Well, then, Perez is there for his bat and that’s why Shelton didn’t PH for him.

roibert.kasperski

I was taking the great framers as sarcasm. Maybe the both are really good at putting up house walls and roof trusses. That would make them great framers just not the pitch kind 😀

Last edited 1 month ago by roibert.kasperski
jon6er

“pitch farmers” fixed it!

TNBucs

The catchers are who they are; we have a GM who evidently didn’t think we’d actually need decent catching depth.

Wilbur Miller

Just saw a shot of the stands on twitter. There can’t be 3000 people there. The GM must not have thought they need fans, either.

TNBucs

I’ll never fault someone for going to a game, but poor attendance sends the right message to Williams.

Wilbur Miller

Williams getting the message.

Wilbur Miller

Why are all these LH hitters batting in key spots against a LHP who’s terrible against RH hitters? Where did Chavis go? Is Shelton watching the game?

jon6er

With Chavis and Castillo on the bench Shelton must be considering it one of his stupid f***ing teaching moments or he’s really that stupid!

Wilbur Miller

This is some of the worst managing I’ve ever seen. Mind-numbing incompetence.

jon6er

Dude probably thinks he’s really good at it since he keeps harping he puts it all in place but they just don’t execute. just because you have a bad roster doesn’t mean you can do ‘stoopid’ shit!

TNBucs

My biggest concern with Shelton is his ego—not once have I heard him suggest that he can do better. It’s only the players who need to get better.

chappy

Castro racking up the negative points…

roibert.kasperski

Then……..he doubles ….. then takes 3rd on the line out…..,and then…….out on the bang bang play…..

Last edited 1 month ago by roibert.kasperski
Wilbur Miller

That’s a real fearsome 4-6 Shelton has deployed.

jedeweese

Well, got spiked? Got glove.

chappy

Reynolds! Right-handed batters hitting .352 against his guy. How did Reynolds turn into the worst #3 hitter in the league?

PiratePrimate

Chad Kuhl is a lucky man. He’s got a good fastball with great movement and he’s got a pretty wife and a sweet little baby.

kja1970

Is Ke’Bryan Hayes good enough to be the best player on a championship team?

PirateRican21

No and don’t think he ever will be that guy. A nice piece, if he ever figures out how to make contact in front instead of letting every pitch get way in his kitchen he could be 3rd 4th best player.

PiratePrimate

Not yet

PirateRican21

phieralph

Castro runs us out of another critical inning/run. Gets hand cleated at 2nd. This is not fun to watch.

bucsws2014

How do you beat the throw by that much and still manage to get yourself out.

chappy

See Nyjer Morgan…

PirateRican21

Worse over slider.

phieralph

He’s not hurt.

phieralph

He’s hurt!

PirateRican21

Brubaker game came off the rails last game around now,

jedeweese

Nice job by Brubaker

bucsws2014

Liover seems a likeable chap.

PiratePrimate

He was popular in Missoula and I talked to a couple of his teammates one night in a bar here and they said he was a great guy and everyone on the team knew he was going to be a major leaguer someday.

phieralph

When he first started talking, I thought I heard a southern accent, which totally threw me. He is not Southern.

phieralph

Dang. The Pirates vs. the Pirates, huh?

Who did we trade Conor Joe for?

I love his game… And his sweet, silky hair.

phieralph

NEVER MIND

MWT

The bottom of this lineup is soo bad

PirateRican21

It is, but at least they all hit the ball hard that inning.

jedeweese

Slap Jack

PiratePrimate

Drive Jack

roibert.kasperski

The Chad we saw. Got out of it by leaving 2 on but he threw 34 in the 1st. Will see how long he can last now.

Tim Williams

Chad Kuhl is a starter.

That is all.

Wilbur Miller

Well, I thought they might actually have a big inning.

Then again, I suppose they did.

PiratePrimate

That’s a BIG inning with Tsutsugo and VanMeter in the middle of it

roibert.kasperski

Dang!! If Vogy slices it just a bit more..

Last edited 1 month ago by roibert.kasperski
PirateRican21

Never fear, VanMeter is here!!!!!

Last edited 1 month ago by PirateRican21
PirateRican21

Almost, in other words same old story.

roibert.kasperski

Missed it by that much………

PirateRican21

Gamel looks like a Duck Dynasty character with his beard, trust fund baby without it.

Last edited 1 month ago by PirateRican21
jedeweese

Call it sour grapes if you will, but I am GLAD we started off with a run against Kuhl.

roibert.kasperski

Hey If I remember right, If Kuhl got through the first, he was good. He would tend to get himself in a hole in the first and 2nd. innings. and then pitch great gut the Bucs could not score enough to get back in it

Wilbur Miller

Didn’t even have to wait until we were down by ten.

Bill

Fangraphs on Diego Castillo: “A few analytically-minded team personnel advocated for Castillo’s inclusion in our in-season updates to the Top 100 because he has elite in-zone contact rates, hits the ball in the air a lot, plays the middle infield, and has performed on paper at the upper levels.”

Derek Shelton on Josh VanMeter:

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PiratePrimate

I’m not sure Derek Shelton fills out the lineup card without approval. Something seems hinky about this whole month of sitting Castillo in favor of VanMeter and playing him in RF. Watching Castro play everyday instead of Castillo just seems weird.

mikeschalke

Connor Joe and Diaz with a bomb each and Kuhl with a shutout. Book it!

jedeweese

well…

PiratePrimate

Not tonight. Kuhl’s the one who gets bombed. He gives up, at least, two, maybe three jacks. Chad can’t pitch on the road. Brubaker picks up his first win of the season.

jeffw3000

Except for his last 2 starts Chad has been good no matter where he pitched. 10 of the 16 Earned Runs he gave up this year were in his last 2 starts. Against the Pirates he will probably throw a 2 hitter tonight.

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