Pirates Game Discussion: Pirates vs Rockies, 6:35 PM; Roansy Contreras Starts

The Pittsburgh Pirates (17-24) take on the Colorado Rockies (19-22) in the second game of a three-game series at PNC Park on Tuesday night, starting at 6:35 PM. The Pirates are sending out Roansy Contreras (1-0, 3.52) for his first start of the season, and his second career big league start. His mound opponent will be veteran lefty Kyle Freeland (1-4, 4.85), who will be making his ninth start of the season.

Prior to the game, the Pirates added Contreras and Cal Mitchell to the roster.

Here are the lineups:

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PiratePrimate

The Ghost of Sean Rodriguez will haunt this franchise until they win again

jon6er

VanMeter is the Ghost of Sean Rodriguez.

Wilbur Miller

Hey, he’s all the way up to .195, which puts him sixth on the current active roster. He’s angling for cleanup.

Since the Dodgers’ series, the Pirates are batting .183.

Wilbur Miller

Good to see Mitchell, but he can’t turn this teeball lineup into a major league one. They’re still at least four bats away from being even decent.

jon6er

Well I guess the ‘Oviedo Memorial Locker’ has new resident in Yerry!

John Fluharty

Hoping a couple of those bats are already on the team and just need some time.

PiratePrimate

Only four? You mean there’s hope?

John Fluharty

Well, lose shmoose. Contreras had a great outing and Mitchell had a pretty good debut.

PirateRican21

What a freaking disappointment Reynolds has been.

mikeschalke

A total bust so far this year for sure.

John Fluharty

Really starting to fear that he may be a one year wonder.

chappy

He really has had two strong years, his rookie year and last year, but he looks more like ‘20 Reynolds. He has made some strong outs, including tonight, but he is killing them.

1979andCounting

Still not buying the contact play……especially with 5 IFers. Don’t like it, never will.

PiratePrimate

Sean Rodriguez

jon6er

Shelton’s willing to over use their best pitcher rather than open the locker and let Yerry out!

1979andCounting

These two teams both need the ghost runner to score a run. I’ve come to like it too. Lots of drama and some stratagery

John Fluharty

I like it in one sense. I challenges teams to try to play small ball by moving the runner over and then sacrificing him in.

capirate

I hate the ghost runner. I would be OK with it perhaps starting in the 12th inning.

waitwhat

Also a big fan of guy on 2nd (and 7 inning double headers)

ricramer

watered down baseball

waitwhat

Yeah, but games are long enough as is. Save the “true” baseball for the playoffs, I don’t need 17-inning regular season games in my life or seven hours of double header ball.

ArkyWags

No they’re not “long enough “ as is, if they adhere to the pitch clock. That will shave 20-30 mins off a game, as it has in the minors.

The 17 inning games happen maybe a half dozen times per year, so they aren’t an issue. The ghost runner is a solution in search of a problem. It’s a pathetic gimmick.

roibert.kasperski

Well poop!

phieralph

Cal is up! With the game on the line!
Let’s go!!

waitwhat

womp womp

skliesen

Bummer

phieralph

Van Meter pinch hits for Castillo, you have got to be kidding me.

capirate

I was hoping he would strike out!

jon6er

Last night he wouldn’t pinch hit a right hander in a crucial situation. I think we’ll see VanMeter all year because he’s the teachers pet, lol.

John Fluharty

And he gets an infield hit. Shelton is a genius lol.

roibert.kasperski

Thought he had Castro in on the ball that could have been over the bag……

phieralph

Lol, a lose, lose. He just takes AB’s away.

waitwhat

Shelton depriving Diego a chance to be a hero, you monster.

John Fluharty

Off topic, but I just read about the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in Texas. Makes it hard to care about the outcome of a baseball game. I have 2 grandsons and I can’t imagine losing them. Thoughts and prayers to those families

phieralph

27 school shootings this year.
34 all of last year.

jon6er

There is nothing more cowardly then killing children!

PiratePrimate

Those and the 1.5 million others lost to gun violence in this country in the last 50 years?

John Fluharty

When it’s children it his me harder.

PiratePrimate

A lot of kids in that number

John Fluharty

Yeah, and 1 is too many.

agent00

i wonder how much trade value reynolds has left

waitwhat

Seems like a lot of bad luck driving the early struggles, but I will also mention my priors and say I was very on board trading him for oodles if it was out there as inherently his value could never be higher than it was coming into this offseason based on contract, years of control, and results.

waitwhat

I would very much like if Diego or Cal were the heroes tonight.

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

Sooo, does Shelton hold an accountability meeting for himself on blowing this game by leaving in Underwood far too long?

PiratePrimate

Nah, he made the perfect move! He just went brain dead between innings and forgot to take Underwood out, It happens.

waitwhat

I mean it was an error to start the inning, otherwise he gave up one hit. His stuff was still fine. Stratton not being able to get LHP out seems to be the bigger issue there than Underwood, but even then, seems like you would blame the defense if anything.

Last edited 1 month ago by waitwhat
jon6er

Regardless of what happened in the inning Underwood should not have come out for a third inning this late in the game. It speaks to the fact that Shelton doesn’t trust his bullpen so he goes veteran first with a guy who isn’t really a lockdown guy in Stratton. He might as well tried Yerry to see what they got. What are they going to learn pitching Yerry in a 8-0 or 0-8 games. If he pitches bad coming in doing a blowout is he going to get the Oviedo locker treatment till they send him back or dfa him.

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

I know the argument could come down to pitch count vs IP, but Underwood is coming off a season with a huge workload, and an IL stint. Feels like Shelton is just throwing him straight back into the fire immediately.

jon6er

Really good points especially since he led the league last year in appearances I believe. That’s just Shelton hoping to catch lightning in a bottle instead of manning up and managing the bullpen.

Last edited 1 month ago by jon6er
John Fluharty

Or you can blame the offense for not being able to score more than one run.

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

Well that part is a given lol

agent00

yes sirrrr

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

I wouldn’t have left Underwood in for a third inning, especially after just returning from IL

1979andCounting

It was an unearned run, so no.

phieralph

Well $h&t

phieralph

Great pitch sequence from Stratton!

Man, very iffy on him recently but that was great.

jon6er

I don’t trust Stratton at all!

PiratePrimate

I don’t trust Shelton at all! Leaving a reliever in for a 3rd inning? I’m beginning to think he gets a bonus for losses.

John Fluharty

Especially with a guy that just came off the IL.

jon6er

Hey it’s rookie night, where’s Yerry?

waitwhat

Good outing, battled to get Joe but finally missed on a pitch to Blackmon. Positive either way even if Stratton can’t strand them.

John Fluharty

Underwood out for a third inning!

Last edited 1 month ago by John Fluharty
waitwhat

One more note for Roansy tonight. 16/20 first-pitch strikes I think is a good comparison for why he’s just probably going to work out in a way Keller can’t. Roansy didn’t have great stuff or reliable secondary pitches most of the night, but he still got his fastball over and didn’t get hit hard on it. That seems to be the general issue Keller runs into in a general sense.

John Fluharty

keller wasn’t throwing his fastball as much as last couple of outings, which confuses me.

Last edited 1 month ago by John Fluharty
waitwhat

I just don’t think he has faith in his fastball, whether because he can’t locate it enough or he just thinks it’s getting hit too much.

waitwhat

I dunno, I know peeps despise Underwood. But the stuff is just so insane I can’t quit him.

patrick_kelly

He’s got the stuff. Just needs to show he can be trusted.

1979andCounting

Agree, if we can keep his arm fresh. Shelton over-used him last year. Led all relievers in appearances, maybe in innings too IIRC.

PiratePrimate

97 with movement rocks my boat

jon6er

Looks good but he’s pitching against a Pirate like offense right now. I don’t know what the Rockies numbers are away from Coors but usually not good.

1979andCounting

Early returns on Castro is he doesn’t throw accurately on the run. Most SS can.

1979andCounting

And he doesn’t do well with back-hands in the hole. Besides this, looks like a great SS…..lol.

patrick_kelly

Mblee24

I see a rotation forming. Quintana, Brubaker, Thompson and Contreras. Just need that 5th guy I’m hoping Keller but I’ve lost all hope in him. Brubaker has surprised me as I thought he should have been moved to BP. If these 4 solidify themselves that let’s Crowe, peters, Stratton, bednar, and underwood to round out a decent bullpen. Now if they can just start hitting.

waitwhat

Brubaker seems to have had a lot of bad luck this year so far as well. I’m also out on Keller. His control just isn’t good enough. He’s also terrible in first innings and it just seems to destroy his confidence the rest of the way much of the time.

PiratePrimate

The Pirates have a DH with a SLG. of .261? That’s more surreal than a pitcher puking behind the mound

roibert.kasperski

Who was that guy in Underwood’s uniform?

PiratePrimate

We need one of those monster innings where we score a couple runs.

John Fluharty

Okay, one on. Let’s go!

John Fluharty

Nvm *sigh*

John Fluharty

Nice quick inning for Underwood.

patrick_kelly

Now send him to the showers so he can’t screw this up.

jon6er

Block has been throwing Shelton’s name out there all night giving him credit for something I just don’t know what!

docdon385

All these announcers work for the Pirates. Some are worse than others but they’re all homers and have to say positive things about the team if they want to keep working there. Telling the players they lacked effort on Sunday, if Shelton actually did that, might qualify as one of the most obvious understatements in quite a while.

PirateRican21

I think they don’t lack effort, talent, now that they lack.

John Fluharty

I wasn’t paying much attention, but he did say Shelton was griping at the team for what he saw as a lack of effort against the Cardinals. I usually try to block Block.

Last edited 1 month ago by John Fluharty
jon6er

I’m pretty sure in an effort to cover his own ass he’s confusing being overmatched by a superior squad with a lack of effort.

agent00

cal!!! great to see haha. nice job taking second on the play too

Bucs'N'Pucks (Jeff Reed)

Yeahhhhh!!!!!! Woooooo!!!!! I haven’t watched this much of a game all season!!!!

Love how it’s the kids coming through on both sides.

TAKE SOME HINTS, BEN!!!

patrick_kelly

If Cal’s first hit and RBI leads to Roansy’s first win, that would be something poetic.

PiratePrimate

Maybe even epic. Who knows?

Colin

Calllll!!! Yessss!!

waitwhat

Okay Cal, deserves that after two competitive ABs and getting unlucky in first one.

John Fluharty

Woohoo! 1st hit and 1st RBI!

jedeweese

Whoo Mr. Consistency!

waitwhat

I have faith in Diego, gonna stick around for years to come. We should clearly only do trades with the Yankees.

1979andCounting

We got what we all expected from Roansy. Setting the bar high. Nothing wrong with throwing FB when you can command it and dominate with it.

PiratePrimate

Welcome to the rotation, Mr. Contreras. You’re sorely needed.

waitwhat

Decided to get nasty in that inning. Good for Roansy.

bucsws2014

This will be it for Roansy. If it were his 5th start I’d give hin the 6th, but 80+ in 1st start is enough.

John Fluharty

Contreras looking really good tonight.

PirateRican21

Money on Diego for first hit of the day for the Pirates.

John Fluharty

Got any lotto numbers running through your head right now?

PirateRican21

20-7-J-3000000-56-W-7
I take 10%

jon6er

Lottery numbers for tomorrow please, lol.

bucsws2014

good call

jedeweese

That fastball with the late move…a lot to like out of Roansy tonight.

PirateRican21

That is all he have had today, his fastball and he gotten through 4. I’m thinking he’s done for the evening.

PirateRican21

Wrong, imagine that! But Contreras found his breaking pitch and had perhaps his easiest inning!!!

PirateRican21

Is he tipping his slider? Not even a check swing.

PirateRican21

Good first at bat, not a hit but a good at bat.

agent00

hey i’ll take that. work the count full. hard hit ball. yes sir

PiratePrimate

Great, great AB

patrick_kelly

Great first AB for Cal.

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