Pirates Discussion: Home Field Advantage

Over the last seven days, the Pittsburgh Pirates have had the sixth highest OPS (827), and the fifth highest slugging (.503) in the league. Five of the six games they’ve played in the last week have been at home.

There has been a lot of player movement recently, but on a larger scale, the Pirates are 20th overall in home slugging this season vs. 25th on the road. While their home OPS is 21st in the league, and tied also for 25th on the road.

The Pirates currently have eight left-handed position players rostered, with Bryan Reynolds being a switch hitter making it nine against a right-handed pitcher.

In the upper levels, the Indianapolis Indians have six left-handed hitters, and one switch hitter. The Altoona Curve flip the script, only having four left-handed hitters, and no switch hitters. That’s not including Canaan Smith-Njigba (60 day IL), and Tyler Heineman (Paternity List) currently on the 40 man roster.

It could just be coincidental that the players seeing early success happen to be left-handed, but may also have been a key component in acquisitions to use PNC Park to their advantage.

Taking Jack Suwinski as one example, as fans and onlookers have made comments about how his “Swing is made for PNC” , he currently carries a 1.008 OPS at home, while only .519 on the road. 

The team as a whole isn’t likely to carry Greensboro affiliate type splits over a full season, that tend to drastically skew towards home power, but it’s possible the Pirates are building to be a “powerhouse” at home. 

YANKEES @ PIRATES

Time: 7:05 PM EST

Pirates Starter: Mitch Keller, (2-5, 5.14)

Yankees Starter: Luis Severino (4-3, 3.35)

Keller notes: Keller will look to get back to his recent stretch of success, after hitting a speed bump in Washington. He carries a 1-0 record and 3.89 ERA in his last seven games (six starts). His ERA by month has been slowly declining, going from 6.62 in April, to 5.19 in May, and finishing off June to the tune of a 4.10 ERA.

How Mitch Keller’s New Sinker Complements His Other Pitches

LINEUPS:

Pirates

Yankees

1. DJ LeMahieu (R) 1B
2. Aaron Judge (R) CF
3. Matt Carpenter (L) RF
4. Giancarlo Stanton (R) DH
5. Gleyber Torres (R) 2B
6. Josh Donaldson (R) 3B
7. Joey Gallo (L) LF
8. Isiah Kiner-Falefa (R) SS
9. Kyle Higashioka (R) C

 

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TNBucs

Position players pitching has gone from a novelty to an embarrassment for the game. We need either a run-rule (save pitching like the runner-on-2nd rule) or simply let managers like Shelton concede games.

Wilbur Miller

“Bring on the clowns” is the Pirates’ new motto. And Dumbo and GMBS are perfectly OK with the weekly farce. It appears Nickels is, too. Fuck the fans.

jtkuch

This is getting ridiculous

b mcferren

nerds ruined baseball

b mcferren

Chavis audition for the Braves

Wilbur Miller

GMBS’ waiver magic is still working.

roibert.kasperski

Wild thing!! Judge actually swung at Ball 9. He then did his best Haywood impersonation and launched the grand slam. That one was definitely not too high. If Banuelos would have hit Hicks……

phieralph

Cool Yankees feed Trivia :

Who are the 6 Pirates career NL MVP’s?

bucsws2014

off top of my head: Groat, Parker, Cutch, Stargell, Bonds, Clemente.

phieralph

:0

Dick Groat 1960 Willie Stargell 1979 Roberto Clemente 1978 Barry Bonds 1990 1991 Andrew Mccutchen 2013

AND , I think you’re right about Parker. I saw it and tried writing it down to remember. I think I missed Parker. Well done, sir. You are Ultimate Pirates History Trivia Warrior.

Last edited 1 month ago by phieralph
bucsws2014

Parker shared one with Keith Hernandez IIRC.

kellea01

It was Stargell who shared the 1979 MVP with Hernandez.

PirateRican21

PirateRican21

Clock struck midnight!

bucsws2014

Before anyone says ‘3rd time thru lineup’, these are just crappy pitches.

PiratePrimate

Still, a solid start for a young pitcher against a very good team. Good teams don’t miss mistakes

ArkyWags

Pretty generous curve you’re grading on.

PiratePrimate

School of ineptitude. The grade curve is generous

john_fluharty

I agree it’s a pretty solid outing in spite of the runs he gave up. Starting to get optimistic on his future.

PirateRican21

You are a kind person, 4 runs, 10 hits!

PirateRican21

I love the leash Keller gets……

PirateRican21

Was not referring to Shelton, at all.

PirateRican21

I obviously don’t believe there’s anything else but what he has shown, but I hope you are right!

SBRO

The counterpoint to that is, he’s still giving up way too much contact on his pitches in the zone. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a hell of a lot better than he’s pitched since…always. But what I see peak Keller now as is a #4 starter, not a top or even mid-rotation anchor.

PiratePrimate

VanMeter’s due to crank one out

PiratePrimate

In AAA

jtkuch

In another org

PiratePrimate

I’m still trying to figure out why Reynolds didn’t catch that. Did he misjudge it on the leap because the ball went by his glove?

phieralph

Gotta love the relay and tag from Van Meter to Perez.

Lovely baseball right there.

jon6er

Those plays at the wall are Reynold’s Achilles heel in center.

jon6er

Keller turned around and looked at that stupid defense and threw the ball away, lol.

john_fluharty

Waiting for Brownie to say yippee ki-yay a double play. It’ll happen someday lol.

jon6er

Brault pitching bottom eighth in Indy.

phieralph

FOR WHO

jon6er

Cubs

phieralph

Braults Batting Stats because… It is beauticious.

phieralph

my sweet angel, steven brault , :'(

jon6er

They did say early in the broadcast that Keller was discussing grips with his “good buddy Holme’s” before the game, lol.

joebaseball

He just needs to keep throwing strikes because walks are killer.

PirateRican21

Three against Gallo, so a little skeptical! 😁

skliesen

The placement and velocity of his 4-seamer is 🔥🔥🔥 tonight!

jtkuch

Man, Cruz looks pretty smooth turning 2

skliesen

Keller making his best pitches when he needs to the most. That’s encouraging.

Catch_22

VanMeter to Cruz is a pretty slick DP combo

jon6er

Might be too late, lol.
Or maybe not, lol.

Last edited 1 month ago by jon6er
PirateRican21

Feeling less and less anxious with each throw Cruz makes.

PiratePrimate

That’s the way Frank Lary used to pitch against the Yankees. We’ve found the new “Yankee Killer.”

skliesen

Gonna need to consult with John D about the veracity of your claim. Never heard of Frank Lary.

PiratePrimate

Great Detroit Tiger

bucsws2014

Dang, that’s a name from way back. I actually remember him as a Met in ’64-65,

PiratePrimate

I saw Spahn start a game for the Mets in Houston in ’65. He was 44 years old and threw a shutout for the first four innings. He got shelled in the fifth. I don’t remember seeing Lary pitch except on TV against the Yankees.

Last edited 1 month ago by PiratePrimate
roibert.kasperski

I suddenly don’t feel old now. I can remember back to the ‘67 and ‘68 seasons

PiratePrimate

Tresh’s bad hop to the throat, Maz’s HR and Willie’s basket catch are my earliest memories.

mikeschalke

I think the bad hop to the throat was Tony Kubek.

PiratePrimate

You’re right. I don’t know why I was thinking Tom Tresh when I typed that. This stuff is confusing my thinking.

skliesen

That was a blown opportunity. Horrible AB’s by Vogie and Tsutsugo.

PiratePrimate

And Suwinski

jon6er

Suwinski’s result was the same but his ab was no way horrible as the other two guys.

bucsws2014

At least foul that off, Vogey. Damn.

What a waste of a 1st inning.

PiratePrimate

Matt Carpenter. Saw him for the first time as a senior at Elkins H.S. in Missouri City,
Texas outside Houston. He was playing 3rd. His father was the coach and if someone had told me I would be watching him play major league baseball 20 years later I would have never believed it. I don’t think he was drafted out of high school. Yeah, 13th round out of TCU three years later. How many players left from the 2009 draft?

Last edited 1 month ago by PiratePrimate
PirateRican21

The scouting report on. Carpenter is faulty!

jon6er

That’s so dumb what they did. Just like they did last night and have the last several years they keep throwing him the pitch that kept in the majors so long, low inside pitches, lol.

hoptown

Josh F$&@ING Van Meter is starting again!!! His WAR is now -0.5 for the year. And it was -0.2 prior to this year. Over 650 PAs!! Over 3 seasons!! 🤬

skliesen

Say it with me V-E-T-E-R-A-N-OSITY!

PiratePrimate

Future Pirate World Series hero

jon6er

When Park and Marcano went down and Chang was dfa’ed that cleared the way for him.

hoptown

Chavis and Castillo can both play 2B. And I’d take any young player over Van Meter.

jon6er

True but VanMeter is to Shelton what Srod was to Hurdle!

PirateRican21

Well, let’s hope Keller’s control and slider are on today.

jon6er

Keller has gone from being counted on to be routed to he has a chance not to get routed. The only thing that hasn’t changed is he’s going to throw a lot of pitches.

bucsws2014

Only 15 in 1st!

jon6er

Pleasant surprise indeed.

bucsws2014

And only 12 in 2nd!

PiratePrimate

8:15 First Pitch

Wilbur Miller

Yankees may have lucked out. Forecast doesn’t look good.

skliesen

My weather app shows the precipitation is moving out soon.

PiratePrimate

They must stay in town and take their beating. Then they can give us everything we want for Reynolds

b mcferren

Jack Leiter and Josh Jung for Reynolds

b mcferren

Hosmer and Peguero to the Angels, Snell to the Pirates, SD wipes their hands

slider1971

I’ve actually been thinking of a starting pitcher option that we can control for a couple years and Snell is a name I would definitely consider.
I have to wonder if he has positive trade value right now? Between injuries and struggles this season along with the 3 years and $40 million left on his contract I don’t think it would take much of a prospect haul if Pirates are willing to take all the money?

PiratePrimate

Blake Snell? The Padres would pay the Pirates to take Snell if the Pirates were bold enough to offer something of value. He would be a gamble

agent00

RAS TN

NO MORE TRADING OF ACTUAL MAJOR LEAGUE TALENT…ENOUGH…

PiratePrimate

Unless someone comes along and gives you 2x as much as the player’s worth. It happens. Take advantage of it. And it could happen in the next couple weeks with Reynolds.

RAS TN

This is exactly what is wrong with the Pirates besides a lack of major league quality players, the constant churn needs to stop…If you have major league quality players you need to find a way to keep them and not constantly trade them for some hope and prayer…

ArkyWags

You know who has constant churn? Tampa. It can work. Reynolds was one of those hopes and prayers.

Last edited 1 month ago by ArkyWags
hoffmark83

Yes but Tampa wins first then has constant churn. You guys and the Pirates are more interested in having a farm system rated in the top 5 than having a winning major league team

PiratePrimate

They’ve had a good run

PiratePrimate

Hard to do with an owner who uses the team as a cash cow and not as a competitive franchise

skliesen

Tampa makes it work because they trust their scouts and player development team.

Wilbur Miller

Bullpen changes: Yerry and Banuelos added, Vieaux optioned, Brice dfa’d.

bucsws2014
skliesen

I don’t see the home/road split for Jack as a good thing. Probably too soon to be overly concerned with a road OPS of .519, just as it’s premature to get overly giddy with his home OPS of 1.008. Reasonable to expect movement towards the middle for both numbers. Be interesting to see which number makes the bigger move towards the other over the next few months.

skliesen

Yeah, that’s extreme. No way he maintains anything close to this split.

Wilbur Miller

To some extent it’s statistical noise, no doubt, but he really does seem to be made for PNC. Remember Matt Stairs?

It seems like Jack has struggled a lot, but everything is headed the right way. His OBP, which has been the main concern, is over .300 now, and his OPS+ of 122 leads the team. The OBP went from .150 in April (20 PAs) to .271 in May and .347 in June. It’s .583 in four July games. The H/R extremes will probably settle out to some degree as he becomes more of the hitter he’s going to be long term. But I could see him hitting 15-20 bombs a year at PNC.

NMR

Statcast has an “expected home runs by park” metric, which is super cool.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/jack-suwinski-669261?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb

Wilbur Miller

Not only is he made for PNC, he’s made for the NLC.

PiratePrimate

He’s made for PNC. He’s made to bat third! I don’t know yet if he’s made to play everyday but if he is, I can see 25-30 bombs in PNC. He looks that good. That swing is so short and compact he’s not going to look over matched. But it also generates so much power. I just have to believe he’s for real.

Last edited 1 month ago by PiratePrimate
Wilbur Miller

According to the internet, Q is a hot trade topic.

I guess that’s the sensible thing to do for a good offer, but will the day ever come to say, “Hey, this guy’s good, let’s keep him?”

PiratePrimate

Quintana, Vogelbach, a top prospect and cash to Toronto for Ricky Tiedemann

Last edited 1 month ago by PiratePrimate
roibert.kasperski

One reason why he is a hot commodity is a couple of the other guys who should be hotter are having issues. Mahle just went on the IL with a shoulder strain and Montas is missing at least a start with shoulder inflammation.

Wilbur Miller

Kinda how pitching works as the season goes along — last man standing. If it’s your guy, you win.

roibert.kasperski

Absolutely. The bidding wars shift to plan “B” The A’s and Reds misfortune may get the Bucs a better return than they otherwise would have.

docdon385

With Nutting as the owner? You’re joking, right? The really unfortunate part is that many fans appear to be just fine with trading good players for unproven prospects. That’s a cycle that will never stop and a team that can never win.

john_fluharty

If we adopt an approach like the rays, we will be trading major league players because we cannot afford the people. Right now that we can afford to keep Q, if it makes sense to do so. If we can get a kings ransom maybe we should move him. You’re right though at some point we have to choose which ones to keep and which ones to trade and which ones to just let walk as free agents if necessary.

skliesen

Be nice if Pirates had secured an option year. I doubt he’s interested in signing an extension now, but Pirates should definitely offer him something like a 2 year guarantee deal or even a 2 year and 1 additional option year with a buyout.

I think chances are slim they get a veteran SP who performs this well for them next season.

Wilbur Miller

One approach would be to try to gauge interest in an extension and, if it seems doable, try for it now. If not, then a trade is probably best.

skliesen

Seems like a great fit for PNC. I just wonder if he wants to marry himself to another year of DS & BC?

SouthernBuc

I like the approach with the expectation he would have no interest in an extension. However, if he loves Pittsburgh it certainly is worth asking and would be a lost opportunity. I guess I look at it as Q took the prove it deal (knew he would get plenty of chances in Pittsburgh), and now that he has proved it to date he is better served seeing what he can get in the off season. In the mean time having him pitch out the season without trading him is just a loss of assets (no matter what the return may be). While I doubt they would win a bidding war, if he does like Pittsburgh (and I assume he feels he was treated well), they can try to sign him again in the off season.

Wilbur Miller

My biggest hesitation over trading him is that I don’t see adding more MiL depth as having much value. They don’t need a couple more UT guys to be blocked by VanMeter, or LH hitting OFs to be blocked by Jake Marisnick. Or another middle reliever/5th starter. He’d need to fetch more than that.

PirateRican21

No need to remind anyone, but Cruz was obtain in a similar deal.

Wilbur Miller

It’s pretty striking which deals worked for NH and which didn’t. In his early ones, he aimed at MLB-ready prospects and hardly anything worked out. Same thing with the Cole and Cutch deals — the one player who worked out (until Musgrove went to SD) was the one guy, Reynolds, who was furthest from the majors. Cruz, of course, was an obscure lottery ticket.

This is all off the top of my head, but I think it was a pretty consistent pattern.

NMR

Musgrove posted 3.3 WAR his last full season in PGH and exactly 3.3 WAR in his first full season in SD.

I’m as big of an Endy fan as anyone, but Cherington should’ve gotten a ton more value than he did for Joe.

I’m guilty of it myself but it’s wild how nobody gives Huntington credit for that trade and largely handwaves Bryan Reynolds as well.

Atop 30 hitter and top 30 pitcher in all of baseball, acquired over the same period that did him in.

We’re fawning all over Cherington for the possibility that Roansy ends up as good as Joe.

Last edited 1 month ago by NMR
roibert.kasperski

Crick actually worked out well too. Unfortunately, he decided to smack the Pitcher Who Shall Remain Nameless with his pitching hand and tore up the tendons on his index finger. Of course he has never been the same since.

hoptown

What I would do. 7/6 edition.
1) Add Banuelos because they have to, option C Vieaux to AAA after serving as 27th man on Thurs.
2) When Newman is ready, DFA J Van Meter
3) When Peters is ready, option A Brice to AAA
4) Look to trade Gamel, Vogelbach, Newman, Quintana, Stratton, and Crowe, if you can get anything for them. Quintana is the only one with any real value. The others would get a low level suspect at best.
5) Listen to offers for Reynolds and Bednar, but I’d have to be blown away.

AdministrativeSky236

Why trade crowe?

AdministrativeSky236

Of course, anyone is available for the right price, I guess I just dont lump him in with there rest of that list that should all be on the move or DFAd

roibert.kasperski

Pretty much every reliever in the majors is a failed starter when you think of it. Very few of the guys who are any good in the bullpen were pitching strictly relief when they were drafted. Most started in HS and even college and they could mow the opposition down with a monster fastball and a secondary pitch. Many can not control the FB good enough as they move through the minors, develop a 3rt pitch plus improve the secondary pitch they had and eventually they wash out as a starter but are very good pitching to 3 to 6 batters out of the pen.

PirateRican21

Not an advance metric guy, could you possibly do an article or just
Post some of those numbers?

Mtgj

I agree. Crowe is looking like a back end bullpen guy. This 2022 pirates team is 2 good relief pitchers away from being a .500 team.
I was one of the few people that hated trading clay Holmes. I think trading Crowe now could be similar to that deal and I would be against that. This team needs to start building a good bullpen and unless you get an offer that blows you away, I like the idea of keeping crowe.

SouthernBuc

If you don’t like Seinfeld references, stop reading. I propose if the Bucs sweep the Yankees after sweeping the Dodgers, they should take their shoes off and leave them on the field. Always leave on a high note.

tedwins

Good stuff BNP….this offseason we need to grab the majority of lefthanded pitching options to limit teams taking advantage of our lefty hitting extreme lean🤔🤣🤣🤣🤣

PirateRican21

We did field an all lefty starting five not long ago.

tedwins

Do not sleep on Banuelos mate👏👏🤔🤔☺☺

RAS TN

Temporary help at best…has been around the block a few times and keeps becoming available AAAA…

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