Pirates Discussion: Give Drew Maggi His Major League Debut

If you look at Drew Maggi’s career stats, it would look like he’s been a career minor leaguer.

Drew Maggi has been in the majors.

The infielder was called up last September 18th by the Twins, but was optioned back down two days later without getting into a game.

The Pirates acquired the 33-year-old journeyman minor leaguer over the weekend, bringing Maggi’s journey back to the beginning. Maggi was originally drafted by the Pirates in 2010, and spent several years in their system.

That 2010 draft saw the Pirates fail to sign their sixth, seventh, and eighth round picks — all prep pitchers. They signed alternative options in the later rounds, including Maggi, who received $468,000 as a 15th round pick.

Maggi made it to Double-A in 2014, but was released heading into the 2015 season, which was his age 26 season. He stuck around in the minors, playing for the Angels, Dodgers, Cleveland, the Twins, and most recently the Phillies.

Last night, Maggi made his return to the Pirates’ system, going 1-for-3 with a double and a walk. On the season, Maggi has a .211/.347/.256 line in Triple-A.

This isn’t a performance that would warrant a callup discussion. Maggi’s career, on the other hand, is a different story.

The Pirates are a losing team in 2022. They’ve got players on the roster who shouldn’t be on a Major League team. They’re still giving time to players who won’t be in the organization long-term, as seen by the continued starts for Josh VanMeter.

The final two months of this season won’t be without meaning. They will give time for the youth movement to emerge and lock up a few spots heading into the offseason.

The Pirates could do something of meaning with the final two months and give Maggi a shot in the majors. I have no illusions that Maggi will help the Pirates any more than VanMeter. After 13 years in the minors, and a near-miss at making his debut in year 12, Maggi deserves his shot.

This could easily be done, adding a feel-good story to the 2022 season, while taking away literally nothing from any future season. My hope is that we see Maggi in Pittsburgh by the end of the year.

PIRATES @ ORIOLES

Time: 1:35 PM EST

Pirates Starter: Bryse Wilson (1-6, 6.20)

Orioles Starter: Spenser Watkins (4-1, 3.80)

Wilson Notes: Over the last month-plus, Wilson has provided some nice outings. He has a 3.62 ERA in 27.1 innings, though his advanced metrics aren’t as good, with a 4.41 xFIP. Wilson hasn’t been walking anyone, but also gets very few strikeouts and is prone to home runs. That hurt him last time out with three homers — though it didn’t hurt him as much that they were all solo homers. Wilson has been keeping the Pirates in games and eating innings, which will be his assignment today as the Pirates try to avoid the sweep in Baltimore.

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Pirates

Orioles

1. Cedric Mullins (L) CF
2. Adley Rutschman (S) DH
3. Terrin Vavra (L) 2B
4. A. Santander (S) RF
5. R. Mountcastle (R) 1B
6. Rougned Odor (L) 3B
7. Jorge Mateo (R) SS
8. Brett Phillips (L) LF
9. R. Chirinos (R) C

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roibert.kasperski

Any word on Godoy and what happened?

Wilbur Miller

Some vague thing like general body soreness or something. Day to day. No word on whether it’s Nick G type day to day.

hoffmark83

We all know day to day will turn into week to week and eventually he will be put on 60 day

1979andCounting

The Orioles broadcast suggested it looked like a cramp in his arm or hand??

roibert.kasperski

Thanks…..

EightMenOut

home plate collision rule may not be perfect, but, if not for the rule, Allen would have been faced with the following options in a 4-1 game, in the 7th inning, while running full speed down the third base line, 1) hard slide feet first and risk a leg injury to himself and a foot/ankle/knee injury to the catcher, 2) politely run the catcher over, and then be accused of not being a competitor or 3) lower his shoulder and take the catcher out, likely resulting in the catcher getting an injury and/or a concussion. None of those options are very good to choose from. The rule is better than watching people get needlessly injured. And you have to give Allen credit for the presence of mind to not run the catcher over, and let the rule play itself out, he would have looked bad if “new york” had not agreed with him.

Last edited 1 month ago by EightMenOut
ricramer

Marcano one AB from losing prospect status.

PirateRican21

You mean one pitch, seems that most of his at bats last exactly one pitch….

1979andCounting

Very nice win against a very hot team on the road. Orioles were 21-7 coming into today and on 5 game winning streak.

joebaseball

Another error by Cruz, he is simply not a SS.

roibert.kasperski

Going into today, Cruz had a better fielding % than Hayes. You saying that Hayes is simply not a 3B? As  docdon385 said, it’s just an error and everyone makes em.

docdon385

It’s just an error. Everyone makes them.

skliesen

Wish Hayes would pull the ball in the air more often. He’s already a 5 WAR player with the negative degree inside out swing plane swing he employs. If he started swinging like Reynolds, he’s an MVP candidate type player.

JimEastTennessee

Apparently he is working on his loading. Looked promising today…

1979andCounting

That’s two hits he’s pulled this series, so maybe somethings changing. Or it was just where the pitches were. Still very nice to see.

docdon385

This fffing rule needs to be changed. No one even knows what blocking the plate means including the umps. After seeing it called on Delay and some others this one was pretty blatant, but it needs to be way more specific and clear.

john_fluharty

The weird thing to me is that there’s never any ambiguity at second base when a runner is trying to steal second. The second baseman never parks himself on the first base side of the bag blocking the bag from the runner. He gets the ball and tries to swipe tag. The play should be exactly the same at home.

Last edited 1 month ago by john_fluharty
PirateRican21

I brought that before, the ball travel faster than the swipe, then why not receive the ball like infielders do, especially players from RF. Instead they receive it in front and then blindly swipe.

docdon385

Just had a thought, I know rather unusual but here goes. How about putting markings, a box or at least two clearly marked lines, on the baseline near home plate to mark an opening for the runner and a restricted space for catchers without the ball. Sort of like basketball has put a semi-circle under the basket to assist in calling offensive fouls. The catcher couldn’t be there until he has the ball, and if he is that’s illegally blocking the plate regardless. Catchers without the ball would have to set up next to that space but not in it and reach in to make the tag. The catcher would know where to be and where not to be and the ump should be able to quickly know the call. Haven’t really thought it through but it might at least add some clarity.

1979andCounting

It may bring some clarity to the HP ump or the catcher, but ultimately it feels like NY will be called on these rules appeals and they’ll have all the angles and see the timing of ball arriving, catcher position, etc.

skliesen

You think they make that call in a playoff game? Better yet, you think a runner pulls up like Allen did in a playoff game? No effing way…that Catcher is getting trucked!

JimEastTennessee

Except for Mr. Posey…

1979andCounting

That’s clearly a run scored by Allen

docdon385

In the old days Allen could have just run over the catcher but now that’s the Posey rule, and he would have been out regardless. Assuming I actually understand that rule and it’s still in existence and clear enough to call.

PirateRican21

How do you feel about sending the runner on that play with Reynolds next to bat, I know all about Reynolds numbers there, but if feels like a bad sent.

1979andCounting

Love it, when it’s Allen running. I think if he slides he knocks the ball out or it never even reaches the catcher. And you always force the issue when you have a 4 run lead.

PirateRican21

They got it right, and not because it was in our favor.

roibert.kasperski

Yep. Chinos was blocking the plate well before he needed to position to catch the throw.

skliesen

There’s clearly no rhyme or reason to this stupid rule.

1979andCounting

It’s really not that complicated. Yes, there’s still judgment involved. New York just goes thru and checks the boxes off……did catcher allow a sliding lane without the ball. The answer was no in this case.

John Dreker

We shouldn’t forget that Maggi was a pretty good AA player when the Pirates cut him. And the reason he got cut the same day as his brother who signed as a catcher over the 2014-15 off-season? They were out together with a friend from another team and missed curfew. To shows that missing curfew was a big deal, they were made an example of and cut the very next morning for all to see.

1979andCounting

“Maggi was a pretty good AA player when the Pirates cut him”

I’m trying to see any relevance about your curfew story to owing him a call-up in 2022?

John Dreker

They don’t owe him a call up, that’s not why I think it’s a good idea. No one owes him anything. The curfew story was matched with him doing well before being cut, directed at the people who said he’s a nobody. He has put in six years at AAA and check out his career stats. The guy should have played a big league game by now. He’s not a charity case, but he has paid his dues in baseball. I don’t see how anyone thinks it’s bad to get him one game when he’s already been in the majors. I think it’s ridiculous that the Twins sent him down without getting him into one game.

patrick_kelly

Hoka Hey!

roibert.kasperski

Who is next catcher on the roster?

John Dreker

Still Taylor Davis, he didn’t even leave the team because he cleared waivers in one day and got placed on the taxi squad

roibert.kasperski

Thanks. Did not know that is what happened with Davis.

ravidesai1984

Van Meter

(ducks to evade the incoming hate)

roibert.kasperski

Lol! I meant the next one to replace Godoy when he hits the IL
God help us if JVM has to play today. Even with a 5 run lead now.

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roibert.kasperski

Even with a 7:run lead 😁

1979andCounting

No off days this coming week. Going to be a test for the bullpen. Bryce’s pitch count was low, maybe his numbers third time thru the order is not good.

JimEastTennessee

I think I would make Cruz see 500 breaking balls a day…

roibert.kasperski

Did Chavis do something to another 1B somewhere? 2nd series in a row that he took a good shot from an opposing 1B.

patrick_kelly

These last few weeks have me coming around on Wilson. He’s been solid I think.

SBRO

BC has made it a point – 59 different players used on the roster this year – to give a whole host of guys a shot at playing time, if only for a few days. Some, like Sulser or Vieaux, are fringe arms who haven’t debuted in the show; some, like Tucker and Alford, are last chance saloon post-prospects; some, like Yu Chang or pick-a-catcher, just happened to be lying around when injury opened up space; and a few, like Eickhoff and Brice, are vets just aching to get back to the show.

They’ve all been DFA’d. None of them were going to stick around long, and on a bad team their presence hardly stands out as anything more than a puzzled look if we remember them at all.

But they probably generate some goodwill to players, and that’s not nothing. Drew Maggi hasn’t earned an at bat in Pittsburgh, and he’d be taking the spot of someone younger and with a higher ceiling, but Jesus Christ he would be far from the only one. JVM and Marisnick remain on the roster. It’s not defensible from a competitive POV. For a day, for a team that’s going to lose 90 games for the 4th year in a row (pro-rata ror 2020), to get Maggi into a game with a franchise he spent over half a decade growing up…and he would welcome the DFA that comes the day after, and everyone else would move on. It doesn’t stunt anyone’s growth. It’s not going to lose anyone a game, to the extent that they’re not losing games already by the bushelful. And this franchise, which is cheap and short-sighted and generally not good at baseball, can at least stand out as one of the employers who will give guys a shot just because. I don’t know if that helps in any way ever, but maybe that’s the point. Just do a player a solid specifically because you don’t have to and you stand to gain maybe nothing from it.

That I can defend. And then DFA him the very next day and call up the next one.

1979andCounting

Maggi hasn’t been with the Pirates org since 2014!! You can write a long essay, but it makes no sense whatsoever. If he were with the org his entire career, then I would not oppose it. But there’s no sense in single-ing this Milb player out for some feel-good moment.

PirateRican21

I’m with you, it has the same feel as a participation trophy!

Catch_22

Marisnick has been DFA’d

HeyFred

Marisnick released. Replaced by waiver claim Kevin Padlo.

Your theory has earned further consideration.

Last edited 1 month ago by HeyFred
jon6er

Someone should tell Block not to lie on tv when we can see for ourselves what’s happening. It was a nice play and throw by Allen but no way was he “way down the line and deep”, lol.

Catch_22

You should tell him. lol

1-800-BUY-BUCS ask for Joe Block

Last edited 1 month ago by Catch_22
b mcferren

there is a button to switch to the radio broadcast

1979andCounting

Elias was just interviewed on O’s broadcast. He stated that nearly every player on the MLB team has improved this season and he credited his coaches and players for all their work. He stated that he and Hyde sat down with Odor to ask him to play 3B a few days ago and Odor bought in.

Very forthcoming in his conversation, something neither Neal nor Ben are. He’s very excited with his club and with his farm.
He mentioned the Bowie lineup is explosive and they’ve got some good pieces in Norfolk.

b mcferren

no Blylevon and no Bonds

new pirates hall of fame is a joke

congrats to Murtaugh and Parker

PirateRican21

The Cruz K show is getting to be unwatchable.

b mcferren

he is convinced that he is a power hitter but it really isn’t necessary

before he was called up, there were all these highlights of him just flicking the bat and the ball going over the fence

all he had to do was make contact with the ball and his strength was enough to push it over the fence

he needs to stop swinging so hard – – – – just make contact

choke up on the bat – – – play small ball – – – – – use your speed – – – – drop a drag bunt

shelton and haines are ruining him

skliesen

You want Cruz to bunt?

Top 10 in MLB in HR’s & RBI’s since being called up and you want him to bunt?!!!!

I want him to CRUSH baseballs and make Pitchers afraid to throw him a strike.

b mcferren

I want him to get more fastballs and if he learns to drag bunt on a breaking ball and use his speed, then pitchers may be more inclined to throw him a fastball

Also what third baseman in his right mind wants to play in on Cruz with the amount of possible MPH that come off his bat

jon6er

According to Joe Blockhead, ‘Sheltie’ as he calls him claims since he’s young after more ab’s he will work it out, lol.

skliesen

He will improve with experience at pitch recognition and when they insert a legitimate RH power hitter to follow him in lineup, maybe he won’t see so many LH RP’s , too.

You guys are being overly critical of a guy who is one of the WAR leaders on the team despite only playing half the games.

PirateRican21

The only other choice is sent him down, so whatever, hope he improves since our return to glory days rest most on his shoulders.

b mcferren

same exact thing has happened to Suwinski

the problem is the people coaching them in the major leagues

bucsws2014

I was a long time Mets fan until I moved here. I lived through Dave Kingman. Cruz is much more watchable.

smizer

I don’t know if I’m posting this in the correct place, but did anyone else just hear Ben say that the Bucs had already put in a waiver claim on a DFA’d player, and didn’t get him? By my very quick (and un-expert) analysis, I think that means BC claimed 1Bman/corner David MacKinnon, who was DFA’d by the Angels on 8/4 and claimed by the A’s on 8/5. (I’ll let you experts confirm/debunk that, and provide analysis.)
Thanks.
sm

jon6er

“Pirates lead the league in watching strike three go by them”

docdon385

Sorry but I really don’t see the point. What’s the “meaning?” I don’t want to sound hard-hearted but why this guy in particular over others? Is this a special situation or is he some kind of special case? If so, someone educate me and I might change my mind. If it’s so he can have a story to tell his grandkids, I’d say he already has a pretty good one without getting a charity call up.

I’m pretty sure every long time Pirate fan on this sight or not would like nothing better than to get “called up” to pretend to be a major leaguer for a day, an hour or for five minutes for that matter. To just run out on the field with a glove and a uniform on and experience the grass and the crowd is something I still fantasize about at nearly every game I attend. Hey, Billy Crystal got to do it with the Yankees, but alas I’ve never earned that honor and am neither famous nor rich so it will remain a fantasy. So, someone please tell me, why this guy?

John Dreker

Is he really pretending if he was already up in the majors? Teams have rewarded longevity with minor league players plenty of times throughout the years. You don’t get too many 33-year-old minor league players without a big league game. I’m all for it, but more so because he sat on a big league bench for two days and didn’t get his chance to play. That’s just wrong to do to someone. His big league story is that he got to eat better meals for two days and he got his biggest paycheck since one of his signing bonus installments? That’s not a great story.

b mcferren

I think it would be really cool if, from time to time, the team would wear gold helmets similar to the shiny notre dame ones

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E34fTwqXMAAlSia?format=jpg&name=4096×4096

Catch_22

Can Maggi play 1b? If he can’t then why bring him up? Pirates have plenty of utility guys that need to be evaluated.

VanMeter is here due to lack of 1b depth. It’s so bad that they’re literally trying out a AAAA corner outfielder at 1b.

1979andCounting

The MLB is a professional sport. Used to be the nation’s “past-time”, still is one of the big 4 pro sports. It is a survival of the fittest endeavor, where only the best-of-the-best make it to the show. 30,000 paying fans show up every day at each of 15 ballparks across the country to see the game played at it’s highest level. Let’s keep it that way, the Pirates of all teams do not need to be giving a cup of coffee and a prospect’s roster spot to career over-the-hill Milb’s like a 501-c charitable organization would. Maggi received a half-million dollars to pursue his dream, and to play for the love of the game. Let’s be happy for the guy, I’ll bet he’s very happy devoting 13 years to his passion. Let’s stop with the “feel good” gestures.

John Dreker

That best-of-the-best has been long gone in baseball. You have 30 teams using 50+ players each year. Back when the leagues had 16 teams, sometimes they wouldn’t even use 500 players in a full season and now 1,500+ is a common thing. Through yesterday, 1,358 different players have appeared in the majors this year. You’re talking about 67% of the players used by the end of this year wouldn’t make the majors in the past. It’s far from as difficult as it once was to make it, so why would it be so important to keep one more out? Maggi has a .742 OPS in six seasons at AAA. At some point he should have played in the majors already.

Last edited 1 month ago by John Dreker
1979andCounting

I don’t even know where to start with your comment that the best-of-the-best is long gone……Roster size has increased over the decades due to CBAs from 24 to current 26, and 27 on doubleheaders, and 28 this year for 2 months. Starting pitchers used to throw near complete games, with a staff of 4 starters, and less bullpen arms.
Injury management is much more cautious and player-centric today, so more guys go on the IL and more Milb’s get called up. I’m all for calling up prospects and post-prospects too.

But Maggi is way past being a post-prospect at 33. Why “should he have played in the majors already”? Six franchises haven’t thought so……do you know something they don’t?

John Dreker

You’re telling me why best-of-the-best is long gone by explaining why it is long gone? Thanks, I guess….I knew why it was gone though, which is why I brought it up. Making it to the majors isn’t as big of a deal as it was in the past. That’s why the level of play is so bad now. You have hundreds of players each year who would have never made the majors before.

You did read the part about him being on the big league roster of the Twins, right? Because that’s a big part of the argument here. In fact, the idea may not even have come up without that vital info. That’s why he should have been there already, because he has been and got screwed over by the Twins. You could also look at his stats and see that he’s had a better career than many guys who get roster spots. You think someone who puts up a .743 OPS in 468 Triple-A games, while playing multiple positions, isn’t a guy who should have played a big league game by age 33 during a time when 1,500 guys are in the majors each year? He’s beyond qualified to have a big league game to his credit.

We should also not pretend like this has never happened before. Guys have been called up just because they paid their dues in the minors. It’s not like he would be a special case.

joesolo6181

I don’t care if Maggi gets an at bat or a few of them but isn’t it the point to put the best players on the field in order to try to win the game? Sentimentality should not enter the equation even for a terrible team like the Pirates.

john_fluharty

Not always. For example, you might have a veteran player who slightly better than one of your rookie players, but if you’re not in the playoffs and he’s not in your future plans you’re better off playing the rookie even if he’s not “the best player” currently.

John Dreker

So everyone on the current roster is better than him? Can you say that with a straight face?

capirate

Completely off-target, but I just came across this quote from Jon Goebel who is a minor league coach in the Rangers system. He proposed this idea for the MLB playoffs:

“I’m a big English Premier League fan, so another thing I’d do is create a player loan system. You would need to create some stipulations in terms of who is eligible (age, service time, etc.), but two hot topics right now are young players not getting paid earlier and small market teams not being able to keep their homegrown stars, right?

The EPL loan system works great – when you have young players developing into superstars on bad teams, the benefits are slim all around. You won’t see that player in the playoffs and they will inevitably leave their homegrown team. With a loan system, that player could be loaned out to a playoff team, garner vital experience in the playoffs, and their parent club generates revenue to then keep that player longterm down the road or be used in free agency.”

It is an interesting idea, though I would not be thrilled to watch a Pirates player help the Yankees win another World Series.

1979andCounting

Please stop. No thanks.

Cobra

“They signed alternative options in the later rounds, including Maggi, who received $468,000 as a 15th round pick.”

It’s amazing to me the $ spent on ENORMOUS gambles in the MLB draft compared to the penny pinching that occurs when we actually can sign established MLB players via free agency

roibert.kasperski

The “established” major league players a just as much a gamble. How many times have we seen all across the league where solid FA players suddenly drop off hugely after signing a multi year deal? Much more expensive gamble as several years of guaranteed money in multi millions opposed to a draft choice beyond the 1st or 2nd round is a onetime bet of a few hundred thousand. Both situations are gambles. More long term upside to gambling on a draft choice vs a short term upside to the Major League roster. Good teams will wager bets on both gambles. Richer teams can afford to bet poorly and bet again on another FA while paying the poor choice off. Many teams are in trouble for several years if they choose poorly.

Wilbur Miller

There are different ways to gamble. Cheringtoon’s adopted the practice of waiting to see who’s left on the board before acting. That makes additions cheap, easy and effort-free. That’s what he did with his Trifecta of Stoopid — Knapp, VM and Marisnick. By definition, that means you’re getting guys the other 29 teams don’t think are major league players.

There are better ways to gamble. In fact, there are no worse ways.

roibert.kasperski

Never said the Pirates were properly gambling. Just was pointing out a gamble on a major league FA is basically the same gamble as taken on a draft choice. Both are risky as we have seen this year. Absolutely the Bucs could do better. They should be better starting this off season as some of the top young talent is arriving and it is time to stop only looking for place holders and time to start looking for talent to fill gaps and enhance the young talent.

1979andCounting

You’re confusing unproven, total guesses on draft picks versus giving multi-year deals to actual MLB players who have already proven themselves.

Also to Wilbur’s point……waiver claims are not really true FA’s.

roibert.kasperski

Not counting waiver claims. Talking FA signings. Guys like Gallo for instance. Was still average to above average with Texas. Signed by the Yanks and off the cliff he he went. While I agree that usually proven MLB vets are better gambles, they are still a gamble. That is all that I am saying. @ Cobra seemed to me that gambling on vets was way better than gambling on draft picks. I simply said both are gambles and good teams gamble in both markets. Never inferred that the Pirates were gambling properly.

jon6er

Would todays starting catcher make it a Quartet of Stoopid?

bucsws2014

One day in the majors provides lifetime health coverage. 43 days in majors provides an annual $34K pension. I’m sure Maggi would greatly benefit from both, although odds of the latter are slim. JVM already has his benefits, so if Bucs are gonna roster a fairly useless guy, at least make it for a good cause.

Last edited 1 month ago by bucsws2014
John Dreker

That’s actually a rule that was misinterpreted for years. The players don’t get lifetime health insurance, they have the ability to buy into the mlb health insurance for life, which is as good of insurance as you can get

jon6er

Tim said he was up for two days last year in Minnesota but apparently didn’t see any action because he has no mlb stats. Do those days still count for either benefit?

Wilbur Miller

Pretty sure they do.

John Dreker

Yes, but see my comment to the original post

AdministrativeSky236

I didnt know either of these but im all for it!

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