Pirates Discussion: NL Central Cellar Showdown

Bryse Wilson hasn’t been dominant but he’s been effective.

One of Wilson’s bugaboo’s over his career has been a high walk rate. Over his last 49.2 IP including Friday night’s game he’s given up only six free passes. The issue is that he lives and dies by contact having also only struck out 28 batters in those same innings.

On this night Bryse Wilson completed seven innings for the first time in his career. With Wilson relying heavily on pitching to contact, he’s also dealt with handing out the longball often. The Cincinnati Reds scored all their runs on homeruns with Nick Senzel hitting a two-run homerun in the second inning and then TJ Friedl with a solo-shot in the fifth.

For majority of the game Reds’ starter Graham Ashcraft was finding very little pushback from the Pirates offense giving up only three singles through five innings. In the sixth inning the Pirates would find a way to breakthrough.

Kevin Newman who himself is on a bit of a hot stretch started the sixth inning off with a single. Ben Gamel singled with one out to put runners on first and third. Then with two outs and Rodolfo Castro up to bat, Ashcraft spiked a breaking ball that got away and allowed Newman to scamper home for the Pirates first run and cut the score to 3-1.

Bryse Wilson pitched a scoreless 7th to complete his evening before the Pirates offense went back to work in the bottom half. Greg Allen and Bligh Madris both singled to start off the bottom of the 7th to put runners on 1st and 3rd. With one out Kevin Newman lifted a deep flyball to center field that would score Allen. One batter later Bryan Reynolds would finish Ashcraft’s evening with a single and the Reds decided to bring in reliever Alexis Diaz to face Gamel. Gamel didn’t wait long hitting the first pitch he saw to right field scoring Madris and tying the game.

With the score tied three-all, Duane Underwood Jr. took over for the 8th. Derek Shelton pulled Underwood Jr. after the fourth hitter he faced singled to put runners on 1st and 2nd with two outs as the second batter of the inning had reached due to an Oneil Cruz throwing error. Wil Crowe replaced Underwood Jr. but the first hitter managed a RBI single before Crowe struck out the next batter to end the inning.

With the Reds taking a 4-3 lead, the Pirates offense couldn’t get anything going in the bottom of the 8th. Crowe came back out for the 9th inning and pitched a scoreless inning after working around a Rodolfo Castro error.

On this night though, the Pirates were ready for some Friday Night Fireworks in the bottom of the 9th.

Fresh off collecting his first hit since August 7th, Madris decided he’d like to have another and hit a leadoff single. Tucupita Marcano was brought in as a pinch-hitter for Jason Delay and moved Madris over to 2B on a sacrifice bunt. Newman wanted a little more than a single, so he hit a drive to left center that dropped in for a RBI double and tied the game at 4-4. Afraid of Reynolds’ hot week, Reds’ manager David Bell went to the bullpen to bring in LHP Ross Detwiler and intentionally walked Reynolds.

Gamel stepped to the plate for a lefty on lefty matchup that ended in a 3-2 hit-by-pitch and loaded the bases. Up came Michael Chavis — who is another player in a slump that could use a big hit — lining the second pitch he saw to left field and walking it off 5-4 for the Buccos.

This win moved the Pirates ahead of the Reds and into fourth place in the NL Central. We get to wake up and do it all over again.

Reds @ Pirates

Time: 7:05 PM EST

Pirates Starter: Tyler Beede (1-2, 3.72)

Reds Starter: Justin Dunn (0-1, 8.64)

Beede Notes: This will be Beede’s fourth start on the season for the Pirates. Beede has slowly built up his pitch count having thrown 74 pitches his last outing. Beede needs to show now that he can pitch deeper into games.




1. Jake Fraley (L) RF
2. Jonathan India (R) 2B
3. Kyle Farmer (R) 3B
4. Mike Moustakas (L) 1B
5. Donovan Solano (R) DH
6. Nick Senzel (R) CF
7. TJ Friedl (L) LF
8. Jose Barrero (R) SS
9. Austin Romine (R) C

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The Pirates have another horrible game in front of a big fireworks crowd. Sad.


This confirms my first thoughts on Stout. He’s a 3 batter LH specialist, or an end of inning vs LH batter. His stuff doesn’t play against RH’s. Actually should say very little stuff.

Wilbur Miller

GMBS’ waiver wire claims haven’t worked yet. No reason to think that’ll change.


Stout’s ERA goes from 2.76 to 5.27 in 0.1 innings. Oof.

Make that 6.59… and a chance for more.

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How can B-Rey go from being locked in just 2 nights ago to looking as bad as he has tonight? Such a strange season for him.


Yohan Ramirez is pretty nasty!


You don’t mess with the Yohan.


Welp, tyler beede is back I guess, not sure who was here in the interim

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The entire offense is looking inept against a guy who has gotten no one out this year


It’s frustrating and as if they have no game plan. But that can’t be right because Cherington praised Shelton for his game planning just yesterday.


9 times out of 10 when some terrible pitcher comes to town who we think we should be able to hit, we make him look like Greg Maddux-so frustrating.


Oneil 🙁


The strikeouts are becoming worrisome! The error was probably more an an inexperienced Madris. I’m sure most 1b man pick that or at least knock it down.


You’re right about the error. They have to give it to Cruz but it’s 90% on the first baseman. Another example of having someone playing first who doesn’t know how to play the position.

Watch it in slow motion. Madris stuck out his glove, closed his eyes, turned his head away and swiped at it instead of watching the ball into his glove. That’s why he whiffed on it. Not his fault, he’s not a first baseman. Please put someone over there who has played the position regularly.


So is everyone watching the stillers so far or?


switching back and forth between Stillers and little league world series.


Thanks for the reminder, switched over just in time for Pickett TD pass 😁


I think it’s time for Pickett in Pittsburgh. Trubisky has a nice Western PA ethnic name but the fact he couldn’t do it in Chicago is a tell and I don’t think Mason has what Pickett has. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.


Pretty sure this guy has B.C. claim written all over him if he makes it to the Pirates. Has been injured a little lately but still putting up good numbers and was dominant in the past.

“As for Moronta, 29, he had a tremendous showing with the Giants in 2018 and 2019 but has faced adversity in the subsequent seasons. Over that ’18-’19 stretch, he threw 121 2/3 innings with a 2.66 ERA and 29.3% strikeout rate. That also came with a high 13.8% walk rate, though it was still a very encouraging breakout, with Moronta racking up 27 holds in that stretch.
Since then, he’s thrown 23 2/3 innings for the Dodgers, though he hasn’t quite returned to his previous form. Through 23 2/3 innings, he has a 4.18 ERA. He’s still getting strikeouts at a healthy 27.6% clip, but is also still giving out walks at a 10.2% rate. The key difference might be the long ball, however, as Moronta has allow five this season after only allowing eight over that two-year stretch with the Giants.
Despite that increase in homers, Moronta could find plenty of interest on the waiver wire, given that he still has the ability to set down batters on strikes. He’s still owed roughly $370K for the remainder of the season, not a huge sum by MLB standards. That means he could be retained via arbitration for another two seasons by any club that wanted to give him a shot. Since the trade deadline has now passed, the Dodgers will have no choice but to put him on outright waivers or release waivers in the coming days”


Hope Beede has a better game plan today, he has the stuff, command is shaky, but his sequencing has been questionable and that is easier to fix than command. Should begin with shelving the two seamer and going back to his 4 seamer on top of the zone.


Hopes a good thing!

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