Pirates Discussion: Pirates Got Burnt

Pitching on two days rest after only completing an inning, Bryse Wilson retired seven of the first eight batters he faced while allowing only a single in the second inning. Of those eight batters though four of them put a ball in play that was over 100 MPH.

With one out in the third inning Wilson began to unravel. He walked Garrett Mitchell before each of the next four hitters each collected a base hit while scoring three runs to give the Milwaukee Brewers a 3-0 lead. Wilson worked his way through the inning which would be the end of his night. Giving up three earned runs, five hits, walking two batters, and striking out two. Bryse had been doing a better job of throwing strikes but on this night he only threw 29 of his 56 pitches for strikes.

Through four innings it appeared that 2021 NL Cy Young winner Corbin Burnes was going to have his way with the Pirates offense. The Pirates had managed only three singles to five strikeouts up to that point.

In the fifth inning the offense remembered how they tagged Burnes for four earned runs the last time they faced each other.

Kevin Newman got things started after an out with a single to left field. With runners on the corners Jason Delay — a late substitution just before game time for Tyler Heineman — singled in Newman to bring the score to 3-1. That brought up everyone’s favorite tall guy, Oneil Cruz. On a 3-1 count Burnes threw Cruz a 94.5 MPH Cutter at the bottom of the zone that he turned around at 117.5 MPH (per Baseball Savant) and hit it 437 ft to right field to give the Pirates a 4-3 lead.

In the bottom half of the inning, Bryse Wilson’s replacement Eric Stout got himself into a little trouble. Throwing his second inning Stout was able to retire the first two batters. After two singles and then walking former Bucco Andrew McCutchen to load the bases with two outs, Derek Shelton brought in Yohan Ramirez. After quickly getting into a 0-2 count, batter Luis Urias worked the count full before hitting a grounder to Cruz.

This is where the good and bad of Cruz comes into play as he had plenty of time to make the throw but threw a laser into the dirt. Luckily Marc-Andre Chavis has seen enough of these throws since Oneil’s promotion that he was ready with another windmill grab to end the inning. Yohan Ramirez ended up throwing 1.1 scoreless inning.

To the top of the sixth and with one out, Rodolfo Castro tried to show up his best friend but fell 10 ft shy. Castro blasted a 2-1 changeup at 107.4 MPH to right center that went 427 ft for a 5-3 lead.

Duane Underwood Jr. pitched a clean seventh and then came out for the eighth inning. He got the first two outs before walking Omar Narvaez on a ball just off the plate. Wil Crowe entered the game for Underwood Jr. and on the second pitch recently promoted Garrett Mitchell hammered a middle-middle changeup to tie the game at five.

The Pirates threatened in the top of the 9th with two men on and only one out before Ben Gamel popped out and Chavis struck out to end the threat.

Crowe remained in the game for the ninth inning and it didn’t end well. Willy Adames singled to start the inning before Keston Hiura got a middle-middle Slider that he didn’t miss. He hit the ball to left field as it bounced off the top of the wall and out for a walk-off two run homerun and 7-5 victory.

Oneil Cruz did end the night with the three hardest hit balls on the evening.

Pirates @ Brewers

Time: 8:10 PM EST

Pirates Starter: Mitch Keller (4-10, 4.50)

Brewers Starter: Jason Alexander (2-1, 526)

Keller Notes: Following his start against the Boston Red Sox where he was only able to complete two innings due to shoulder fatigue, Mitch Keller was only able to pitch 3.2 innings against the Atlanta Braves. In that start he gave up seven runs, but only two were earned due to a costly Josh VanMeter error. Keller will look to get back into form when he was able to complete at least five innings for seven starts in a row.

LINEUPS:

Pirates

Brewers

1. Christian Yelich (L) DH
2. Willy Adames (R) SS
3. Hunter Renfroe (R) RF
4. Kolten Wong (L) 2B
5. Keston Hiura (R) 1B
6. Andrew McCutchen (R) LF
7. Jace Peterson (L) 3B
8. Victor Caratini (S) C
9. Garrett Mitchell (L) CF

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Anthony

The Cruz sample size for the “I told you so’s” currently stands at two games LOL

Catch_22

I love me some Oneil, but lets ignore the 38% k rate and the fact that he’s unrefined at the plate and literally guessing. Why the hell else would you watch 93 middle, middle for strike 3 unless you’re guessing?

b mcferren

because your dumb hitting coach told you to take all the pitches

JimEastTennessee

A small Pirates fan Facebook page I am involved in has a vocal “anti-Cruz” faction. I see potentially a generational talent.
He has to:

  1. develop an ability to not chase off-speed,
  2. crush off speed in the strike zone.
  3. continue to destroy fastballs
ironmike56

Those that said Cruz could not play major league shortstop look silly right now. That game ending double play was a thing of beauty. He seems to be gaining confidence on all fronts.

robertkasperski

He needed to keep seeing pitchers in the show too. He looks to be recognizing pitchers much better now and does not appear to be chasing breaking stuff away out of the zone as much, Looks like the the new book is to pitch him inside. He is not swinging at that stuff either now. Several called strikes were actually balls but he still laid off as he should swinging at hittable pitches now instead of trying to bash anything close. He would not have seen now the big league pitchers and catchers work batters. Many, even in AAA, can’t do that. Glad that they are letting him figure it out in the Show.

TNBucs

It’s way too small of a sample size, but over the last five games his K rate is at 25% and his OPS at .992. That’s the player we’re hoping he can be, but even if he settles into a slightly higher K rate and lower OPS, he’ll be a valuable player.

In any case, it’s essential that he’s doing this in the show, as you say.

emjayinTN

He and the other 6 Rookies who are also benefitting from the exposure in 2022. Interesting point – the Pirates have 5 hitters with Slugging percentages in the .400’s, and 3 of the 5 are Rookies – Castro .438, Suwinski .419, and Cruz .416. And their K/BB ratio’s are also getting better – for example, at one point Cruz was 8 K’s for every BB; he is now around 5/1. Best of the Rookies in that category are Castro and Suwinski who are both around 3/1.

Wilbur Miller

Watched the video of the DP at the end. Without Cruz throwing a rocket to 1B, no DP.

The video of Keller’s 10 Ks was also impressive. No two third strikes were the same.

emjayinTN

Just a question – the Pirates went to 2 what I would call “pitcher’s Catchers” in Delay and Heineman 2 or 3 months ago – could that have served as a confidence boost? Possibly a return to Stallings-like receivers?

Wilbur Miller

Interesting thought.

They’re supposedly trying to get Roberto Perez back. Everyone seemed happy with him.

robertkasperski

Took a great stop and good spin and throw to a good spot that allowed Cruz to launch the rocket that he put in a good spot to allow Chavis to stretch as far as he could to receive,the,rocket. Great play all around 🙂

forkball

I like it when the talent shines through. Nice story Chase!

PirateRican21

I’m not a Keller guy, but he pitched a great game tonight, even during his bad inning he showed something!

JimEastTennessee

He’s growing on me.

1979andCounting

Helluva turn of DP! Raise it boys!

robertkasperski

Thank you Rudolfo!!!!!!!!

Last edited 1 month ago by robertkasperski
PirateRican21

ricramer

Nail Biter!?!

bucsws2014

nice DP. Congrats Chase.

TNBucs

Very nice indeed! Two perfect throws in a big situation.

robertkasperski

Man I wish that the Bucs would have sent Cruz back to AAA to learn how to hit……

Last edited 1 month ago by robertkasperski
forkball

It’s okay. It’s been a long year

john_fluharty

Cruz not flailing at breakers so much lately.

john_fluharty

Sac bunts are annoying

1979andCounting

Tucu is almost automatic in getting it down, so Shelton’s going to keep calling it. Unfortunately.

robertkasperski

Just a bit outside 😁

PirateRican21

Ok is official, Hayes swing is one of the worse swings I’ve ever seen, how do you hit a inside fb to the 1b side dugout? Does his bat head ever get out in front?

Last edited 1 month ago by PirateRican21
bucsws2014

7 lobsters tonight.

john_fluharty

Needs to make some adjustments in the off-season for sure

forkball

I have a feeling he will get better…

1979andCounting

This is our $10 mil man. Better get used to it for 7 more years……..

ArkyWags

Even if he doesn’t hit much, that contract is still worth it. But I’m hoping an off-season swing change helps.

b mcferren

didn’t take long for that money to go right back down the drain since it was momentarily pulled out of Polanco

john_fluharty

LOL at Cruz standing at second with the Brewers second baseman. Dude was like half his height.

bucsws2014

Funny part was Cruz stood on the base adding another 2″.

robertkasperski

Lol great minds !

robertkasperski

The shot of Wong and Cruz next to each other at 2nd during the mound visit was hilarious!

john_fluharty

Help us and save us says Mr Chavis? – Brown is such an oddball.

JimEastTennessee

Anyone else noticing that Brown is really losing it as far as names when he is calling?
Neurological bells are going off in my head…

b mcferren

that is a Blass call that Brown is just replicating

john_fluharty

Ty, did not know that. Would have been amusing to hear that from Blass.

TNBucs

This game could be a significant step forward for Keller. He looked like a TOR pitcher tonight.

ArkyWags

Step forward how? I think he is what he is now. A talented, enigmatic arm who can get knocked out in the 3rd in one start, and look like this the next. He’s consistently inconsistent. That’s what he is.

TNBucs

Maybe, but he was hitting 98 and throwing curves that froze hitters, and seemed to be in control for all but that one inning. But if it’s a step forward, then we’ll see that pitcher again in five days.

ArkyWags

I’ve been hearing stuff like that about Keller for years now. So I’m highly skeptical. I think it’s far more likely this start (like many others) is a one-off. Hopefully, I’m wrong!

All this being said, I think he’s saved his career this season and certainly has a spot sewn up for next year. He’s cut his walks by nearly 25% from 2021. He and Brubaker look like solid #4 types. That’s usable.

TNBucs

On the one hand I’ve been burned by guys like Kuhl who I thought would become a solid 3 or better. On the other hand, it took Musgrove a little while to put things together and now he is a solid 2 or even 1. Keller reminded me of Musgrove last night when you could start seeing the confidence and stuff come together, but we’ll see if he’s able to maintain that.

JimEastTennessee

this is why he is a #3 right now, trending up.

bucsws2014

Nice that he’s off the hook for an L now.

bucsws2014

Block had an amusing anecdote earlier. Adam Wainwright is visiting the press booth in every park as part of his farewell tour. When they came to Milwaukee, Ueck told him to sit down and help call an inning. Waino said he couldn’t as his team was playing. So Ueck made him read a Miller Lite ad.

Last edited 1 month ago by bucsws2014
robertkasperski

Uek could have had Waino pull a Harry Doyle “ This inning is brought to you by…..I can’t find it…to hell with it! “

bucsws2014

friggin Pirate killer, that guy.

robertkasperski

Even when he was with the Cards, he could be 0 fer the game and he would have 2 strikes on him with 2 outs an hit a walkoff hit of some kind….

PirateRican21

Who, Keller?

Wilbur Miller

Now has 15 vs Pgh. Most against anybody else — 8.

bucsws2014

Hoping Mitch can finish 6. Manny and Chase to close it out. Not looking forward to seeing anyone else out of pen.

bucsws2014

Nevermind. Will be lucky if he comes out for 5th.

john_fluharty

😁

bucsws2014

Thought for sure after his last two short outings Shelty would cap him around 80 pitches.

john_fluharty

Extremely surprised that he didn’t.

TNBucs

Disappointing AB by Hayes but Delay should have scored on Reynolds’ hit. I think it was a combination of poor baserunning and bad judgement by the 3B coach. Just not a well-coached team.

Last edited 1 month ago by TNBucs
1979andCounting

I think it was how hard it was hit, got to CF fast. Delay is a catcher, not a bad runner but thought it was a good hold.

TNBucs

And it did get the CF fast, but in mid-center which made it a long throw.

TNBucs

You gotta know where the fielders are–that ball wasn’t close to being caught by an IF yet he didn’t take off right away.

bucsws2014

Hardest hit ball of the night, 105.

JimEastTennessee

You’re killin’ me Smalls!

b mcferren

lets go bucs!

Wilbur Miller

Yes, but all the pitches he’s throwing! He’ll never make it past the 8th!

AdministrativeSky236

Qwik maths

skliesen

Swing the bat Cruz. 6 pitches in his first AB, including two fastballs near middle-middle, and he never swung once. This after hitting 3 rockets last night.

SMH

RAS TN

Dodgers Select Heath Hembree…How about that…

robertkasperski

Bully for the Dodgers. He probably will pitch lights out there when he sucked everywhere else he was since 2019 except for a couple of games for the Mets in 2021

1979andCounting

Just looking at the 40-man, squinting to find a possible closer. I’m seeing Oviedo and Beasley as better than anyone else lottery picks. Both have good K rates, pretty good WHIP’s……time to get them up here 9/1……if Bednar is not activated dam soon. The other choice is put Beede in there as closer…….he has the stuff esp. for one inning.

1979andCounting

BNP, Underdog did not have a clean 7th inning, he gave up a lead-off hit. There’s a 98% chance you will never have to use “Underwood had a clean inning” in your comments! just sayin’. The guy occasionally has very good stuff but rarely can he put two innings together.

john_fluharty

I guess there’s fifty shades of clean or something?

Catch_22

This was supposed to be the summer of George…There was shrinkage!

joesolo6181

Rest Keller for a few starts, he looks like he is exhausted.

NMR

Bonkers season for Keston Hirua. Reminds me so much of Nick G.

NMR

Play the Is This Scouting Report for Hiura or Gonzales game:

“XXX has a compact, powerful stroke with tremendous bat speed and the hand-eye coordination to barrel pitches consistently. With so few moving parts in his swing, he should be able to avoid long droughts. Though not a power hitter per se, he has explosive hands and enough pop to project to be above-average in that department, with an approach of hitting to all fields. Hiura projects to hit for a high average with good power for the position.”

john_fluharty

Oops!

john_fluharty

Good thing you finished reading then 😊

NMR

FLOOR is wishcasting but yea, Hiura is a lot of why I keep saying NG should just pivot already.

Scouts keep saying dudes with these traits (Hiua, Gonzales, Kieboom) are contact hitters and then they keep getting smoked against professional competition. May as well max out the power you have and lean into it.

robertkasperski

TNBucs

I had gone to bed but I’m guessing I would not have liked Shelton taking Underwood out after he had retired 5 of 6 with two K’s and just missed on the walk. That seems to be another example of overthinking things. OTOH, it had been a long AB by Narvaez and Underwood was at 33 pitches, so there is at least some justification to the move.

skliesen

Didn’t stay up to watch the implosion (not sacrificing sleep to watch this team), but when reading the box score, that was my 1st thought too. Why bring in Crowe there instead of letting Underwood finish the inning?

DS probably thinking I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t. That’s the problem of having inferior talent.

robertkasperski

I was just about to hit the post comment for the Happy Crowe Day Y’all post then…….CRACK!!! ……. Then after it was still tied going to the bottom of the 9th, I figured Crowe would right the ship and get us to extras…… But, Nooooo !

SouthernBuc

Looking forward to see how George Costanza fairs against the potent Pirate lineup.

joesolo6181

what about Newman?

TNBucs

We might be fine if we just do the opposite of whatever our first inclination is.

Shultzie31

Marc andre Chavis for the save!! 🤣🤣 I think Jeff moved on to hockey season, and who could blame him. Nice touch

Last edited 1 month ago by Shultzie31

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