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Pirates Discussion: Pirates Drop the First Game Against the Cardinals

Just as the last time the Pittsburgh Pirates were coming off a sweep of the Cincinnati Reds, the Pirates kicked off the next series with a loss.

The St. Louis Cardinals handed the Pirates a 2-1 loss to open the six game home-and-home series.

Starter Johan Oviedo pitched well against his former organization, allowing two earned runs across six innings. He crossed the 100 pitch threshold for the first time, throwing a total of 103 with 66 going for strikes. Oviedo struck out four batters while walking two.

The Pirates got on the board first in the fourth inning when Ji-Hwan Bae used a drag bunt towards first to drive in the runner from third base. Bae had quite an eventful Friday evening. In the first inning he dropped a flyball to left field that hit him square in the mitt. He then tracked down a Nolan Arenado flyball in the third inning that ended with him crashing into the wall. At the plate, Bae drove in the Pirates only run while later adding his third double of the season in a 2-for-4 night.

The Cardinals got to Oviedo in the bottom of the fourth when Albert Pujols hit his 701st HR to deep left field. Arenado would drive in the deciding run in the fifth inning on a RBI single.

With the loss, the Pirates drop to 59-98 on the season and needing to win four of five in order to miss another 100 loss season.

Pirates @ Cardinals

Time: 7:15 PM EST

Pirates Starter: Luis Ortiz (0-1, 1.17)

Cardinals Starter: Jordan Montgomery (8-6, 3.50)

Ortiz Notes: This will be Luis Ortiz’s fourth MLB start of the season and his career. So far things have gone great. He’s allowed only two earned runs while striking out 17 in 15.1 IP. It’s very early into Ortiz’s career, but he’s building a decent resume to battle for a rotation spot in 2023 or at least be in the conversation as an immediate depth option.




1. Brendan Donovan (L) 2B
2. Lars Nootbaar (L) CF
3. Paul Goldschmidt (R) 1B
4. Nolan Arenado (R) 3B
5. Albert Pujols (R) DH
6. Alec Burleson (L) RF
7. Corey Dickerson (L) LF
8. Yadier Molina (R) C
9. Paul DeJong (R) SS

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Raised in Cranberry Twp, PA, Jeff attended Kent State University and worked in Cleveland and Pittsburgh, before moving to New Orleans in September of 2012. His background is as an Engineering Designer, but he has always had a near unhealthy passion for Pittsburgh sports. Hockey and Baseball are his 1A and 1B, combined with his mathematical background, it's led to Jeff's desire in diving into analytics. Jeff is known as Bucs'N'Pucks in the comments, and began writing for Pirates Prospects in 2022 after contributing so many useful bits of information in the comment section.


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When did we get Junior Fernandez?


Nvm I see the other article now.

Wilbur Miller

I guess it was too much to hope that they could get through the season without another Dumbo Special. Will the Cards reach 20 runs? 25?


Missed the start. Yikes. Someone got a little reality check. Bounce back kid


I like seeing Castillo playing 1st. I like his bat but I don’t like how they have handled him thus far. I think both he and Castro should be given time at 1st.


He is way too blah for me. A competitive team does not have him on the 25-man roster.


A bit difficult to be a two pitch pitcher when you cant throw the FB for strikes, hopefully ortiz is the kinda guy that this lights a fire underneath to work harder


It’s always a good idea to make broad proclamations about a guys work ethic off of one bad start.


Was not giving any opinions on his work ethic, was just hoping his confidence isnt shaken similar to how keller’s was early in his career


I’m hoping he has a third pitch.


Yeah, it’s not all bad to go into the offseason with the realization that it won’t always be as easy as his first few games were.


Will be so glad to see Pujols retire. Probably the ultimate Pirate killer.

Someday we will be competitive with the Cardinals again; now is not that time.


Nice the Pirates now have 4 starters who are young, and who seem to be able to give the team a good 5 or 6 innings per outing, that could be very positive for next year. I have no problem starting Newman against left handers, given the current make up of the roster.


This didn’t age well


Its fine, couldn’t throw a fastball for a strike, it happens.


No doubt. Everybody has them. Hopefully not too often. Agree though, staff is exciting

Wilbur Miller

So, to get a win, Ortiz knows he has to throw a perfect game in 80 or fewer pitches, even though Wil Crowe was scheduled three months ago to pitch the eighth. And he needs to strike out 27 so nobody can commit a four-base error, which means he has to strike out at least one batter on two pitches to stay within 80. And even though he won’t bat, he has to find a way to knock in a run because nobody else will.

Tough job.

John Dreker

He may have thrown 80 pitches if they left him in there to finish the first. That was rough to watch. Not completely unexpected though, it’s not like he was dominating all year, or even half of the year


And the regression begins…

John Dreker

I can’t believe they call up Bae with just nine games left and he’s on the bench for the second time already. When Andujar was acquired, I said mostly to myself that Bae and Andujar are the only players who need to be in the lineup for the final games, mostly so the Pirates can get a look at them. I thought that was common sense, not me making some bold statement


Bae is one of the few true baseball players on this team, while most of the roster is comprised of guys with tool(s). Unfortunate that his only AB was ruled an error, but we all know his speed was likely the reason DeJong botched that ball. He knew he had to rush the play. Even if he catches it cleanly, I doubt he throws out Bae. SPEED KILLS.


Much like ST, the last 20 games of year are meaningless unless the team is in the hunt for a playoff spot…So playing them or not is also meaningless…

Wilbur Miller

But if Newman and Gamel don’t get to play semi-regularly, they won’t buy Dumbo a bottle of bourbon next year. Just gotta remember where the priorities are with this bunch.


They honestly believe they give us a better chance to win, which is crazy


Totally agreed & right after Deadline Van Meter should have been DFAd with Bae called up. He seems to provide some much needed spark & energy to an overall lethargic lineup


Common sense? Who are you talking about? It cannot be the Pirate’s management surely.

Last edited 2 months ago by docdon385

only watched the first two innings, but in those two I noticed two things, Oviedo didn’t have command of his fastball, second, his use of his curveball against lefty.


🏴‍☠️ All Time Ortiz List :
1. Junior
2. Luis ⬆️
3. Danny


Come on…..Big Papi #1


Yes but Pirate flag meant all time Bucco Ortiz-es !!


Got it, totally missed that!

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