The Pirates Would Be Looking For Starting Pitching For Bryan Reynolds

Jon Morosi had an update today on Bryan Reynolds, saying that the Pittsburgh Pirates would be looking for at least one top starting pitcher to headline a return, if they were to deal their star outfielder.

Morosi gives two examples of the type of value the Pirates would be targeting, mentioning Bobby Miller of the Dodgers and Ricky Tiedemann of the Blue Jays. I wouldn’t take this to assume that the Pirates are connected to these two players/teams specifically, as much as these are the types of pitching prospects they would be targeting.

Earlier today, Morosi reported that the Yankees are among teams in contact on Reynolds, but that the preference the Pirates have for starters wouldn’t make the Yankees a great fit, as they’re deeper in position players.

The Pirates also have a system that is deeper with position players. Their best pitching prospect is Quinn Priester, who ranks 63rd in Baseball America’s top 100. Priester joins Mike Burrows as options who could arrive this year to join a more long-term trio of Mitch Keller, Roansy Contreras, and JT Brubaker. The Pirates also have Johan Oviedo — added at last year’s trade deadline — and Luis Ortiz, who made it to the majors this year.

What they lack from this group is a true number one. While you can dream about several of those guys taking steps forward, it wouldn’t hurt to add another candidate to eventually lead the Pirates rotation.

Tim started Pirates Prospects in 2009 from his home in Virginia, which was 40 minutes from where Pedro Alvarez made his pro debut in Lynchburg. That year, the Lynchburg Hillcats won the Carolina League championship, and Pirates Prospects was born from Tim's reporting along the way. The site has grown over the years to include many more writers, and Tim has gone on to become a credentialed MLB reporter, producing Pirates Prospects each year, and will publish his 11th Prospect Guide this offseason. He has also served as the Pittsburgh Pirates correspondent for Baseball America since 2019. Behind the scenes, Tim is an avid music lover, and most of the money he gets paid to run this site goes to vinyl records.

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joebaseball

Trade Reynolds to the Dodgers for Bobby Miller and Ryan Pepiot and $10MM. The $$ is just throwaway for LA, then sign Miley for 2y/$15MM.

joesolo6181

This tread looks like the Pirates have some future GM’s to consider.

skliesen

Now that Bauer has been reinstated and is likely to be released by Dodgers, who here is in favor of Pirates claiming him?

Personally, wouldn’t touch him. And I don’t believe any team will risk alienating a significant portion of their fan base by claiming him.

PiratePrimate

Depends on how large the subset of Pirates fans are who like to pay to rough up hookers. From everything we’ve learned about Bauer, he likes to punch’em but he doesn’t like to pay’em, at least not enough to keep them from extorting him.

RaisetheJollyRancherGirl

I’d sign him. Guy has no criminal record because of the thing and the video of the woman after the act does draw a lot of questions about her account. He lost like 2.5 years of salary over some weird kink shit that was likely consensual but groupie-clout-chasing behavior (the woman hooked up with Tatis Jr too but maybe couldn’t convince him to get into the rough stuff). When’s the next moment the Pirates could hope to sign a guy who could even be in the realm of possibly putting up a 3-4 fWAR SP season? You’re getting him for league min if the Dodgers release so just release his ass if he does a single thing wrong.

AdministrativeSky236

I hate this take, get the man out of the game forever

bscat

“Take him outside and shoot him.”
General Dreedle, Catch-22

skliesen

I wouldn’t sign him even if you guaranteed me a WS title by doing so.

Catch_22

I hope I’m dead wrong on this, but I thought you were one of the guys advocating for Bae last year.

RaisetheJollyRancherGirl

I would. We’ve already had worse people than Bauer on teams we’ve cheered for (Felipe Rivero/Vazquez). These guys aren’t role models.

Felipe is in jail where he belongs. Trevor wasn’t even charged.

Last edited 1 month ago by RaisetheJollyRancherGirl
RaisetheJollyRancherGirl

Honestly, Bauer is almost perfect in a way. He has very little leverage being a problem asset. He’s only 32. A team like the Pirates should negotiate for 3 years minimum with mutual buyout year 4. Try and lock him up for a few years in a sort of reverse pillow contract if every other team is mostly willing to lock him out. Maybe offer a mutual option for year four.

b mcferren

since when do the pirates care about public relations?

Anthony

You’d have to wonder if any corporate sponsorships would get pulled if they signed him…

but from all other perspectives, the upside vs. downside probability is extremely attractive.

Last edited 1 month ago by Anthony
skliesen

Good point.

SBRO

Unless you’re Jim Crane, I don’t know how you live with yourself picking him up, but…we all know as soon as one team decides to take the PR hit and claim him, the rest of the league will act as if his reputation has been laundered. At least 12 other teams would trade for him at the deadline.

RaisetheJollyRancherGirl

Also _good, put that PR hit on Nutting_

skliesen

I agree the team who employs him first takes the hit. Not the next one(s) in line.

James_Robert5

Who knows the full story

The YouTube video released by Bauer earlier this fall makes you question the entire situation

skliesen

How much evidence do you need? Dude, posted an exchange which confirmed he is OK hitting women during sex. Call me a fool, but I don’t think a woman makes up a story about being punched in the vagina.

And this is not an isolated issue. Numerous women have made similar allegations against him.

skliesen

He admitted to punching a woman. No reasonable minded man is going to agree to punch a woman during sex no matter how much she begs for it.

And it not as if this is his first transgression against a woman.

He’s not pitching for Dodgers or anyone else this year, and he won’t ever pitch again until he tries to repair his reputation.

RaisetheJollyRancherGirl

So if Bauer had never done anything like this before with another sexual partner but got caught up in it with this woman who we know asked him to do this stuff, he’s written off forever? Sounds like judgement based on sexual norms which only a handful of years ago could have sounded like “ew, gay people”. We know top athletes are adrenaline junkies. It’s not all that surprising that one could get into extreme stuff like this on a personal level but he should have had better judgement with a baseball roadie like this woman.

skliesen

I love the what if game.

Remember how once one woman came forward on Bill Cosby, DeShaun Watson, and Harvey Weinstein, other women started coming out to share their stories? That’s what happened here, too.

Dude enjoys hitting women and had the audacity to believe his money and fame would shield him from consequences. And from his actions since his perverse desires have come to light show he doesn’t think he has a problem.

RaisetheJollyRancherGirl

I hope if anyone ever falsely accuses you you don’t get the benefit of the doubt. The accuser was a baseball groupie. She asked him in writing to do the stuff he did and then claimed she didn’t.

skliesen

“Falsely accused…”

He admitted in a taped conversation to hitting her. It may matter legally that she “asked for it,” but in the court of public opinion it doesn’t. Men don’t hit women. Period.

Multiple women in Ohio came forward with their stories after the CA incident came to light. Plus he has a sordid past of bullying women on social media.

You, Sir, are hitching your wagon to the wrong man. He’s a low life who gets off physically and psychologically asserting his power over the weaker sex. This is plainly evident.

RaisetheJollyRancherGirl

If a woman consensually gets off on that it’s an adult making a decision and you being a protestant in reaction. I believe consenting adults should be free to do whatever they like even if I find it not to my liking.

James_Robert5
skliesen

Are you referring to the 5 second video of her laying next to a sleeping Bauer? If so, I watched it and came to the conclusion the only thing it shows is at some point in time she appears to be uninjured while they were together. Doesn’t prove she’s lying about what happened, for it’s easy to believe the injuries she claimed happened occurred after this video was taken.

Given his statements and past actions, I’m more inclined to believe her than him.

RaisetheJollyRancherGirl

It’s timestamped after their last encounter

skliesen

At bed it’s reasonable doubt of a crime. It’s hardly proof of his innocence.

James_Robert5

“He’s not pitching for Dodgers or anyone else this year, and he won’t ever pitch again until he tries to repair his reputation.”

Unless he’s injured why would he not pitch this year?

He had reputation problems before he signed his huge deal with the Dodgers

skliesen

There’s a big difference in most people’s mind from being a jerk towards women and being a man who takes pleasure in hitting them.

b mcferren

si senor – easy blue chip prospects after three months of work

Wilbur Miller

loehr22

The Mets have a $500 million dollar payroll, and we are concerned about what scraps we are getting for Reynolds, ufb. I give up. The Pirates should have overpaid for a Reynolds extension, regardless of what 2023 will bring. The distance between the haves and have nots has never been greater.

skliesen

Sure they have a HUGE window of contention, but they also have HUGE pressure to perform, too. Lindor, Correa, and Nimmo will all be getting paid premium dollars long after their skills have started to decline. If they don’t win in next couple seasons, I’d say they won’t ever win with this group. The pressure from Cohen and the fan base will grow exponentially every year they come up short.

SBRO

dude, the distance between the Mets and the Yankees is greater than the distance between the Yankees and the league average. Well, almost, but you get the picture. $106M more. The Mets’ LUXURY TAX BILL is higher than the Pirates payroll. In fact, it’s about double.

They’re just playing a different game.

docdon385

Pirate fans have no reason give a shite about the Mets or the Yankees, Dodgers, Phillies or other top payroll teams because the way MLB is now structured there’s no point to it. Pirate fans should, however, care a great deal that the team payroll is roughly one-third of league average. There is no excuse for that especially when those high spending teams are paying the Pirates and other miserly teams to simply exist. No one can possibly believe that pathetic level of spending will ever result in a championship team. Face it, the Pirates have no interest whatsoever in fielding a winner as long as losing is so profitable.

loehr22

Yep, no one will want to play for the Pirates when they get good, there is no money in it. MLB is doomed

b mcferren

go get Bauer

skliesen

And break the statuatory rapist out of jail to save the games he starts, too?

Don’t hold your breath on BN approving spending $22mm on this guy.

b mcferren

what if Bauer did more goodwill work than Bednar last year and he wins the Clemente award?

steve_zielinski

And strangle him?

Iowasteel

Well, I guess Trevor Bauer is now available. Seriously, if my team signed him, that would turn me off for life.

steve_zielinski

He’s likely an uncoordinated blackbail. By that I mean he would be blackmailed without collusion among the teams. They just don’t want him with his baggage.

b mcferren

isn´t the worst fate of the MLB player to be sent to Pittsburgh anyways?

steve_zielinski

That makes sense to us fans, but there are reasons players prolong their careers. One reason: even replacement level players on the 26-man roster get a ML salary, benefits and the status that goes along with being a ML player.

b mcferren

couldn´t be a better bastion to banish Bauer to than the depths of Pittsburgh

RaisetheJollyRancherGirl

Bauer’s into kink and stuff I’d never personally be into or do. Apparently so was the woman who made claims against him and then took a video selfie of herself lying next to him after the act. When I was young, I was with a woman who wanted choked and I wasn’t into it. People like weird shit. I _thought_ what people were into consensually in the bedroom was settled in America in 2022. People wear diapers inside of animal suits to get off in this country (furries). I don’t necessarily _like_ Bauer but other players have done worse—read not consensual—things to women (Ozuna, Chapman), had actual criminal charges stick and not been suspended for as long.

b mcferren

Ive arrived at the same conclusion from the same points you´ve listed

justin

Playing around on BTV Trade sim, here’s one I like & believe it or not, the simulator thinks the Yankees win this one:

Yankees get: Bryan Reynolds

Pirates get: Jasson Dominguez, Oswaldo Cabrera, Domingo German, Luis Gil & Spencer Jones

justin

Buccos get a top prospect OF, rookie utilityman that can actually hit, productive 30 y/o #3 starter w 3 years control, rookie/former top prospect coming off TJ & ‘22 1st round OF

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James_Robert5

That’s a pretty good package

Because of 40-man issues I’d guess they would want a recent draft pick instead of Gil

PiratePrimate

If Reynolds is gonna go then ship him to the Giants so I can watch him hit every summer when I visit San Francisco for a few days. Great ballpark, almost as nice as PNC and Reynolds would find the alleys to his liking. The Giants might be eager to avert the public’s attention away from the Correa PR mess and I can’t think of a better way than sticking Reynolds out in LF for the next 7 years at $175 million. A contract, by the way, that the Pirates could have afforded.

EightMenOut

I would take a couple of #3 pitchers, each with 3 or more years of control. Asking for a potential #1 starter with 6 years of control seems too high

joebaseball

SanFran needs a win in the market. What do they have to trade?

AdministrativeSky236

Kyle harrison, luis matos, plus another piece per BTV

PirateRican21

I’m a Harrison fan, but I wonder if he moves the needle enough, best possible package will come from the Dodgers. If is only pitching, Luzardo (who I love over rodgers), and Cabrera plus, plus would get it done.

jfwolfgang

I think a ‘Yankee prospects’ to Marlins for pitchers for the Pirates could be the makings of a deal that works. They need batters and have pithing to spare.

NMR

AdministrativeSky236

Makes sense to me, marlins have a comp pick, a bunch of young pitching, and the yankees have dominguez. Could have a juicy package for everyone involved

RAS TN

Fantasy Island

jaygray007

What do you mean?

b mcferren

probably important to say that nobody thought reynolds nor crick were going to amount to anything when we acquired them for Cutch

robertkasperski

If Crick would not have swung and connected with his pitching hand with the face of the Pitcher who shall remain nameless, he still might be a fixture in the pen or traded for more,talent. Had to have surgery on that hand and has never been the same pitcher since.

buccobrach2

Leiter and white or Leiter and Porter from rangers for B-ray.

PirateRican21

The White-Porter package is my preference!

jaygray007

boy, do they need an outfielder… and probably a relatively inexpensive one. Perfect fit.

I really like Evan Carter in their system, myself. kinda reminds me of reynolds as a prospect in many ways actually.

Reynolds for Carter, Leiter and a decent 3rd piece would be fine.

ArkyWags

How about Carter, White, Duran?

jaygray007

Duran seems to be more of the same of that they already have but 1) I could be wrong, and 2) maybe that’s a fair 3rd piece when combined with those other 2. No idea.

jaygray007

i dont think LA is gonna be involved. They seem to be hard in “we are gonna take half a step back this year and then walk into the playoffs anyway and then unleash hell in 2024” mode.

TOR needs to add talent so i could see them wanting Reynolds. they dont really have a lot of guys who would combine appropriately with Tiedemann to make a fair deal. i’d have my eye out for a 3rd team to be involved in a Reynolds deal. all TOR’s players and prospects are otherwise either too good or too bad or too not-fitting-of-the-pirates-current-needs

maybe a C-needy good team gets involved

To PIT, Tiedmann and X and Y for Reynolds
To TOR, Reynolds for Tiedemann and Jansen
To Mystery Team: jansen for X and Y

Last edited 1 month ago by jaygray007
ArkyWags

Arizona is a good third team that could use a catcher.

To AZ: Jansen and small pieces.
To TBJ: Reynolds
To Pgh: Tiedemann/McCarthey and small pieces.

emjayinTN

A guy we have control of for 3 more years who has already posted 12.5 fWAR over 3+ years and we are thinking about Miller or Tiedeman? I like JPM but he is living in some other world to think the Pirates would accept anything like that from either team.

Hell, Ortiz may be as good or better than those two. Sign Reynolds and act like a franchise that is actually trying to compete! Who in the hell is going to provide the offensive numbers Reynolds has already provided for this team?

Of course, trading Reynolds would push the build/rebuild back another two or three years – we’re making good money on this, so why not?

PirateRican21

Well, they are not gonna put a good team around him, all eggs are in the prospects baskets and is rare when they reach their potential in their first couple of years.

jaygray007

nobody ever said that theyd ONLY get Miller or Tiedemann.

either one for reynolds, in a straight up 1 for 1, would be absurdly bad.

That said, i’m also not like dead set on dealing him. i’d prefer they simply put a good team around him.

but also, if a guy isn’t happy, and if you get “enough” for him then you gotta do what you gotta do.

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skliesen

WWTBD…What Would Tampa Bay Do?

They would deal Reynolds for MLB ready players who fill holes on their roster, win more games than before, rinse and repeat.

This is the formula Pirates should model. Churn talent to garner more talent and beat higher payroll teams causing their fans to shake their head and mutter obscenities under their breath.

b mcferren

Eury! Eury! Eury!

GlypheNotes

Why is Morosi a thing?

His tweets amount to nothing beyond PR for Yankees and stirring up engagement on slow news days.

Wilbur Miller

The national writers could all just do a template for these stories. Yankees need X. Pirates have X. Therefore, Y has to happen to get X to NY. Actual content of Y is irrelevant.

I get impatient with guys like Mackey at times, but this BS wore out decades ago.

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GlypheNotes

Mute is my favorite Twitter feature. All I want is one reporter who refuses to speculate and just tell me what can be known for certain. Won’t any of them break from the trend of playing armchair GM?

NMR

Because that makes the company he works for money!

GlypheNotes

I get why he does it. That doesn’t make it any clearer why people fall for his BS, not after this many years of this.

RAS TN

The Jays need lefthanded hitting, the Dodgers really need nothing…

For me have traded enough with the Yankees, and aside from Contreras have been skunked by those trades…

SBRO

I think the Dodgers would be happy to upgrade their outfield. Their whole MO is depth, and they lost a lot of it when they let Turner, Turner and Bellinger walk and all they brought in was a DH-only in JD Martinez. In the past they could mix and match Muncy and Taylor around the field, not so much anymore, unless they want 2/3 of their OF to feature Jason Heyward and Tracyce Thompson.

Scam likely

Never pigeon hole yourself when negotiating, the reason could be that the teams Morsi was talking about, best prospects were starting pitchers. Also the pirates could use impact prospects any where on the field.

Wilbur Miller

They’re not going to get a huge return for Reynolds. Everyone in MLB knows they’re not going to pay him and his trade value drops as the team control drops. Teams will just wait until the FO is forced to take a deal that doesn’t include premium talent, and especially not premium, MLB-ready talent. This is the position you put yourself in when everybody knows you absolutely won’t ever pay the going rate for a good player.

steve_zielinski

“Teams will just wait until the FO is forced to take a deal that doesn’t include premium talent, and especially not premium, MLB-ready talent.”

Then hold Reyonlds through his walk year. The Pirates do not need depth. If other teams don’t want to pay a fair price for Reyonlds, then the Pirates should keep him until his free agency begins.

Wilbur Miller

Won’t happen because Bargain Bob won’t pay an arb3 or arb4 salary. Incredibly, I think most fans underestimate just how cheap he is.

skliesen

I disagree. I don’t think GM’s who are trying to win can get away with waiting. If they can get player they want for an acceptable price, they execute the deal. Right now it appears Pirates are overvaluing Reynolds in the eyes of other GM’s.

Wilbur Miller

Right, but the issue is defining “acceptable price.” MLB-ready top prospects are incredibly valuable. I think the consensus view now is, you don’t trade one, except maybe if you get a franchise-changing player in return. Reynolds isn’t on that level.
And, yeah, GMs have learned to wait rather than make deals that contradict their ideas of value. They all KNOW the Pirates are trading Reynolds eventually because they know to a certainty that Nuttin isn’t going to pay him. And they know that BC realizes Reynolds’ value can only depreciate. And they know everybody considers BC’s price excessive. Waiting doesn’t change the competitive environment. It just means everyone is participating in a realistic environment rather than an overpriced one. The competition doesn’t fundamentally change,

skliesen

Your argument makes sense if there’s one team interested in him. Not so much if there are numerous teams vying for his services.

steve_zielinski

This. If the Pirates could interest the Astos and Mariners or the Red Sox and Yankees in Reyonlds, then the competition will pressure the various GMs to trade for Reyonlds. The Pirates should not make unequal trades unless they win them.

Wilbur Miller

They’re all interested. It’s been reported over and over that there’s widespread interest in Reynolds, yet nobody is interested at BC’s price. These GMs aren’t idiots throwing their money at vapor investments like crypto. Competition or no competition, they’re not going to overpay out of fear somebody else will overpay.

skliesen

What one GM considers an overpay another may consider a good deal. These guys aren’t infallible robots after all.

Wilbur Miller

There appears to be unanimity on BC’s price for Reynolds.

skliesen

It’s not even Christmas. Plenty of time to let pressure build for teams who think they’ve fallen backwards this winter.

steve_zielinski

E. Perez for Reyonlds and Bednar is a slight overpayment. And the Marlins have needs.

GreenWeenie

Theoretically, would his trade value increase if Nutting was willing to sign him, and he agreed to a “fair” deal?

EightMenOut

No, his value would drop, a large part of Reynolds trade value is that the next three years are cheap compared to the expected production. Of course that is assuming he doesn’t ask for a trade if he doesn’t get an extension. Going public with that demand lowered his trade value, making it less likely he gets traded. The logic behind going public with the trade demand was flawed.

Wilbur Miller

Disagree on every count. First, if Nuttin signed him to a fair deal, it wouldn’t just cover his arb years. Reynolds would be an idiot to sign something like that, or anything that doesn’t take him into his mid-30s.

Second, going public doesn’t make an iota of difference in his trade value because, as long as he wasn’t signed long-term, everybody in MLB knew the Pirates had to trade him. The overwhelming reality that undermines BC’s position here isn’t Reynolds, it’s Nuttin.

EightMenOut

If they sign Reynolds to something like 8 years and 175 million (whatever is fair, i am guessing on that number), then why trade a top prospect for him when you can sign someone like a reynolds to 8/175 and not give up anyone?

Wilbur Miller

If you really wanted Reynolds, you’d do it just as readily because the Pirates already did the work of locking him up long-term for you. If somebody as good was available as a FA, of course you’d just sign him instead of making a trade. There’s a reason Reynolds trade talk picked up after Nimmo signed.

Scam likely

Yup until Nutting pays pricey arbitration or pricey extention Ben will get low balled.

NMR

Why doesn’t this ever slow the Rays?

Y’all are making up a lot of malarkey for the fact that Huntington just wasn’t very good.

If there’s demand for a player, the team he’s currently on could not matter any less.

Scam likely

How many world series parades have the rays had. Zero.

NMR

sick burn bro

steve_zielinski

This may be true, but what if the Yankees and the Rays were competing for Reyonlds. That would drive up the price if both teams believe the other will outbid them.

PirateRican21

Forget the Yankees and Rays, we’ll maybe not the Rays, but the all out war the NL east has unleashed might force the Phillis into trading Painter and or Abel for Reynolds.

steve_zielinski

The Phillies lack good prospects to trade for Reyonlds. I’d pass.

PirateRican21

Painter is ranked higher than Leiter, Priester, Miller, Meyer and according to trade value site, is almost a one to one trade value for Reynolds, but I guess that’s not good.

RaisetheJollyRancherGirl

Painter is a better pitching prospect than Harrison from SFG or Tiedman from the BJs

Wilbur Miller

When it comes to trading premium prospects, I think everyone has a point they won’t go beyond. You could have 29 teams clamoring for Reynolds and it wouldn’t matter.

Aurorus

It only matters in the sense that the more teams interested increases the possibility that one of them will do something stupid and overpay grossly. The basics of the situation are that teams are going to acquire 3 years of control over Reynolds for a roughly 40% discount over free agent rates with a team option to negotiate an extension. The Pirates are not going to get, in exchange for 3 years of Reynolds, 6 years of control over a player of equal value: however one measures value, unless someone overpays badly. The only way that the Pirates come out ahead here is if they have a couple minor leaguers in mind, whom they have well-scouted, and whom they think are undervalued and underrated by their current team… i.e. Cutch for Reynolds. Asking for an MLB-ready top prospect, especially a pitcher, is just more silly talk from a front office that seems less credible each day.

Last edited 1 month ago by Aurorus
steve_zielinski

True. Trades depend on the time value attached to his play. If a team has the need and the resources, then trading for Reyonlds is a feasible decision for a player of Reyonlds caliber.
I have no detailed knowledge of the Nutting family’s finances and Inclinations. We’ll see in a few years how much winning is worth to them

leefieux

And here I thought that our offense was downright putrid in 2022. Silly me. Trade your best hitter and hope that the pitching prospects you get come thru.

We have OF prospects, but none of the ‘ needle moving’ kind,imo, unless some K rates get cut down fairly severely.

agent00

gimme bobby miller and gavin stone. cmon

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