P2Live: Pirates Take a Quick Trip to Detroit

The Pittsburgh Pirates (22-19) are on the road for a two-game series against the Detroit Tigers (18-21), starting on Tuesday night at 6:40 PM for the first pitch.

The Pirates are sending out Luis Ortiz (0-1, 3.60) for his second start of the season. He will be taking on veteran right-hander Michael Lorenzen (1-2, 4.18), who is making his sixth start of the seasons.

Here are some news items since our last game discussion on Sunday

**Plenty of minor league moves today, some of them rehab assignments

**Pirates Prospects Daily: A Florida State League Showdown Headlines the Week for Pirates Affiliates

**On Saturday we noted that there is a clear group of five top prospects this year. Three of those players had big games last week. Plenty of video here to watch.

**Henry Davis impresses once again, while pitcher JP Massey has an outstanding start. Here’s the look at the top ten hitters and top ten pitchers for the Pirates last week.

**Mitch Keller gets some recognition from the National League for his great week.

**MLB Pipeline updated their top 100 prospects list on Monday. Three Pirates moved up, one moved down.

**On the history side, today’s Card of the Day article looks at a special card put out by Topps for Drew Maggi

**Today’s daily history has updated/extended bios for five players born on May 16th, including Rick Rhoden and Rick Reuschel

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John started working at Pirates Prospects in 2009, but his connection to the Pittsburgh Pirates started exactly 100 years earlier when Dots Miller debuted for the 1909 World Series champions. John was born in Kearny, NJ, two blocks from the house where Dots Miller grew up. From that hometown hero connection came a love of Pirates history, as well as the sport of baseball.

When he didn't make it as a lefty pitcher with an 80+ MPH fastball and a slider that needed work, John turned to covering the game, eventually focusing in on the prospects side, where his interest was pushed by the big league team being below .500 for so long. John has covered the minors in some form since the 2002 season, and leads the draft and international coverage on Pirates Prospects. He writes daily on Pittsburgh Baseball History, when he's not covering the entire system daily throughout the entire year on Pirates Prospects.

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hoffmark83

Doesn’t matter who the Pirates draft it won’t be enough. this is STILL a sad organization. Marcano, Suwinski , Bae & Castro are AAAA at best, Andjuar should be DFA’ed & McCutchen & Santana are pretty much at the end of their careers. Nothing in the way of exciting prospects on their way. They will probably draft another undersized week hitting middle infielder #1 instead of Crews.

hoffmark83

And Hayes can’t hit and Reynolds has forgotten how to hit homeruns.

Pedro_Power

Maybe the wrong thread but Peguero seems to be hitting again? K rate down too.

PirateRican21

Unfortunately is the right tread, I miss when they were separate.

melkel

3 doubles tonight

docdon385

At least Marcano showed some emotion. Another big fat zero on the scoreboard. Where’s the veteran leadership now? What’s it like in the clubhouse these days? This team is sound asleep and simply going through the motions.

skliesen

Wake me up when it’s Mitch’s turn on the bump.

PirateRican21

Is Mitch hitting? Is kind of hard to win without scoring, so I’m told…

adicesa14

That would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

skliesen

Ok for those of you clamoring for Crews, how many home runs does he need to hit each night to make up for mediocre starting pitching and putrid hitting by the other 8 guys in the lineup?

Scam likely

The first 2 games of the Washington series the pirates scored 22 runs , the last 14 games counting tonight they have scored 22 runs.

forkball

The Curse of the Maggi continues.

melkel

Since Maggi was cut, the A’s have double the win total as the Pirates.
A’s 4 Pirates 2
If this snowball doesn’t get stopped soon, another 100 loss season isn’t out of reach.

chappy

Reynolds….3 k’s….lost again. I have needed to adjust my expectations for him. I thought when we first got him we may have snagged a great hitter. Not so. He is good and can be part of a good team, but he gets in funks too easily. He really was not that good of a hitter last year. It is looking more and more like ‘21 is going to be an outlier.

PirateRican21

There were a few, very few of us that didn’t want him extended, satisfied with him playing out his contract…..I’m hoping to be wrong.

melkel

Not going to say you’re wrong. I think he needs protection around him to get to his ceiling. Also does better with facial hair at least a stashe.

Last edited 15 days ago by melkel
adicesa14

It’s hard to argue on this matter but I hope you’re wrong.

forkball

Still wondering why their best two pitchers are getting 6 days off?

skliesen

They’re protecting them from injury. Agree with it or strongly disagree with it as I do, matters not. It’s just the way of the world now. This isn’t a Pirates thing. It’s an MLB thing.

skliesen

Swinging at pitches on the edge of the strike zone with no strikes like Cutch and Reynolds did in 8th inning, and watching 3rd strikes go into the Catchers mitt as they did on numerous occasions earlier tonight is a formula for getting shutout.

Last edited 15 days ago by skliesen
angie

Just waiting for June… call up everyone!

Iowasteel

Can they at least score a run? Give me some hope.

angie

Or, win a game even when Keller’s not on the mound! And yet they are still floating above .500 somehow…

mikeschalke

Yeah floating like a dead body.

mikeschalke

Can we please end the Josh Palacios experiment already. just terrible.

Last edited 15 days ago by mikeschalke
1979andCounting

He had 90 ABs in majors the last two years and showed very very little. No power whatsoever. So this is not his first time seeing MLB pitching.

EightMenOut

it doesn’t look like he can hit a breaking ball, even from a right hand pitcher. I would think the team would know this before they brought him up, I doubt he was hitting breaking balls in the minors, so why bring him up then?

adicesa14

I understand the “hot hand” thing but my goodness! It’s time to try somebody else. 

EightMenOut

I get that, but unless he is hitting breaking balls, he is just being set up to fail on a big stage. I have only seen 3 at bats, but he doesn’t look good at all against breaking balls. They have to be tracking that data, no?

skliesen

Fits right in with the rest of the lineup lately.

angie

Okay I missed the beginning
Can someone tell me if Ortiz looked worse than old Keller or not?
Where’s his velo? Gameday is saying 93, 94mph. Not good

angie

Thanks all for the replies.. I guess it’s about execution & command for Ortiz then. Sigh…

adicesa14

Mostly it’s lack of command.

1979andCounting

His velo was good, 98, 96 when he departed. That was not his problem.

skliesen

He started off throwing nothing but sliders. Most of them not close, or middle middle. When he started throwing fastballs he appeared to be trying to overthrow it.

1979andCounting

That’s one of the best slides you’ll ever see by Mckinstry.

melkel

Davis with #9

Last edited 15 days ago by melkel
PiratePrimate

That young man needs to play in a tougher league. Say, maybe, the National League?

skliesen

Did you mean Davis?

melkel

Yep, auto got me. Edited though

skliesen

I figured. 3-run shot with 2 outs to give them the lead.

The media should be making BC feel very uncomfortable for continuing to trot out Hedges and Delay when Davis and Endy are hitting so much better.

EightMenOut

i know you know this, but super-2 cutoff isn’t until early June, so no way it happens before then, at the earliest.

melkel

Hedges I totally agree, I would like Delay to get more consistent at bats. I think he can be a good backup up or a good trade chip if both Endy and Davis replace him.
Who knows, maybe second half this year Endy will be starting with Delay backing him up, while Davis is gunning down runners from right and dropping bombs in the bullpen at PNC.

Scam likely

Man I don’t see the hitting getting any better, any hitting in the minors?

melkel

Liover has 3 doubles and Termarr has a couple hits

melkel

Davis, Endy, Nick G., and CSM have homered today.

forkball

And why is the outside pitch always called on Hayes?

robertkasperski

It’s a conspiracy!

PirateRican21

forkball

Not quite sure why Ortiz is pitching tonight with the schedule the way it is.

robertkasperski

Guessing so all the guys get the days off in the rotation. Built in rest

robertkasperski

Ortiz:

doing it to himself……

Last edited 15 days ago by robertkasperski
Iowasteel

I thought signing VV was a huge mistake. Now I am pining for his return.

skliesen

Ortiz just hit the edge of the grass with a pitch. In all my years of watching baseball, I’ve never seen a pitch miss that short.

skliesen

He’s definitely channeling his inner Nuke Laloosh tonight.

1979andCounting

Lorenzen used to be a 2-way player, hit for .711 OPS in the show. We could use him.

skliesen

Call me stupid, but isn’t swinging the bat a prerequisite for getting a hit?

PirateRican21

Home runs by Gonzales and Rodriguez in the 3rd. Indy up 3-0.

skliesen

Can they make it to Detroit by the 7th inning?

robertkasperski

Not a bad response by Ortiz in the 2nd….thanks to BRey 😁

skliesen

Hang a star on that one for the Pirates $100 million man!

robertkasperski

Ditto!

PiratePrimate

I don’t know how many more days of MLB per diem Josh Palacios is going to be handed

skliesen

No excuse for standing there and looking for where the ball went. No F’ing excuse!!!

patrick_kelly

Not an excuse, but I think he must have thought the ball was caught. Only thing I can think of that would make him hesitate like that.

skliesen

There’s absolutely no downside to running hard out of the box ever. Especially if you’re a AAAA type player.

skliesen

Nope. He didn’t see where it went at first, so he decided to stand there and look for it, and didn’t really start running until he saw it bounce.

robertkasperski

Well , let’s see how he responds in the bottom of the 2nd….

PirateRican21

In the better news department, after giving up hits to the first two batters, Priester has stroked out the next six!

patrick_kelly

Stroked out six guys. Is he a Marvel Super Villain now? 🙃

PirateRican21

Some kind of telekinesis……

1979andCounting

Ortiz first pitch of game almost hit the batter. I had a bad feeling with that lack of command.

skliesen

This could get ugly real quick.

PirateRican21

Two runs with the way our offense is going….kind of ugly already!

skliesen

You were saying.

Bad thing is Lorenzen sucks. Our hitters just suck more right now.

skliesen

Yep

skliesen

Hey Luis, throw the fastball!

robertkasperski

Suddenly, I hear Lou Brown in my head….”Forget about the curve ball Ricky, give him the heater.”

ArkyWags

Luis…woof.

PirateRican21

Mason is one of the worse hitters in the league, didn’t throw him one fastball……

Iowasteel

In some of the least surprising news, Kumar Rocker to get TJ. Should be back at the end of the 24 season.

skliesen

Feel bad for the young man.

1979andCounting

The Mets doctor(s) now vindicated.

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